For whom do we gear up the 2016 Heisman campaign?

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crusse10 said:
It would be one thing if Charles Woodson went on to do nothing in the NFL. But he's arguably the best DB in the National Football League THIS YEAR, as the oldest defensive player in the League. Get the hell over it. I'd bet that year was one of very few seasons (if not the only season) where the 1st and 2nd Heisman finishers went on to be 1st-ballot hall of famers in the NFL. Hell they could go down as the best offensive and defensive players in the history of the NFL.

I can't believe y'all still act like Peyton lost it to a scrub.
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All things being equal, if Peyton went to Notre Dame or a Big10 school or if Woodson went to UT, who do you thinks wins it in 1997?
 
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crusse10 said:
It would be one thing if Charles Woodson went on to do nothing in the NFL. But he's arguably the best DB in the National Football League THIS YEAR, as the oldest defensive player in the League. Get the hell over it. I'd bet that year was one of very few seasons (if not the only season) where the 1st and 2nd Heisman finishers went on to be 1st-ballot hall of famers in the NFL. Hell they could go down as the best offensive and defensive players in the history of the NFL.

I can't believe y'all still act like Peyton lost it to a scrub.
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The fact that was the year a defensive player won the Heisman chaps every Vol fan's a$$. I though Bailey was a better corner in college and NFL. Woodson is a great player but the race was manufactured.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
All things being equal, if Peyton went to Notre Dame or a Big10 school or if Woodson went to UT, who do you thinks wins it in 1997?
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If the Vols beat the Gators, I'd guess Peyton wins. But Tennessee lost to its biggest rival while Michigan beat its biggest rival, in no small part thanks to Woodson. Then you take into account that the OSU game is the last game of their regular season, so the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately was fully on Woodson.
 
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VolFootballnut said:
And Steve Owens won it in 1969 on a 6-4 OU team
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Owens was a beast in '69. 56 carries against Okie State. That's a hell of a lot of carries in one game. When then OC Barry Switzer was trying to run out the clock and not wanting a timeout, Mildren did just that to give Owens a breather. He had carried like 10 times straight. Switzer told Mildren to go back to the huddle and tell Owens "We ain't going to any bowl game, he's got all winter to rest".

Even Johnny Majors thought Owens was a hell of a back.

-Iowa State Cyclones head coach Johnny Majors once said of him, "Owens keeps everyone honest. When he just pounds and pounds that middle, he opens them up for the outside game and the passing game."

Against Pittsburgh in 1969 Owens performed on a leg so battered that it turned purple. He could barely walk. Yet he stayed in the game.

At the time (which have been broken since) Owens set NCAA record of 17 straight games with 100 or more yards in carries. He also established record for career carries (905), yards rushing (3867), touchdowns (56) and points (336).
 
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Just looked it up. Pretty much positive that this will be the first Heisman class with 2 first-ballot NFL hall of famers to go 1-2 in the voting. Amazing.
 
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crusse10 said:
Just looked it up. Pretty much positive that this will be the first Heisman class with 2 first-ballot NFL hall of famers to go 1-2 in the voting. Amazing.
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Should have had the top 3 or 4 or 5 in from 1981. Herschel disappointed after GA.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Should have had the top 3 or 4 or 5 in from 1981. Herschel disappointed after GA.
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I hope Woodson gets one more pick-6 to tie the record. He deserves it. Also how crazy is it that the 2 greatest DBs of all time are both named Woodson but have no relation?
 
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They are certainly deserving candidates when it comes to greatest defensive backs of all time. However, if forced to pick one true cover corner, I would take Deion Sanders. And, at safety, particularly for run support, I would select Ronnie Lott. I don't know of a more punishing tackler to ever play that position.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
They are certainly deserving candidates when it comes to greatest defensive backs of all time. However, if forced to pick one true cover corner, I would take Deion Sanders. And, at safety, particularly for run support, I would select Ronnie Lott. I don't know of a more punishing tackler to ever play that position.
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I think what's amazing about the Woodsons is that they both successfully made the transition to Safety later in their careers and thrived.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
They are certainly deserving candidates when it comes to greatest defensive backs of all time. However, if forced to pick one true cover corner, I would take Deion Sanders. And, at safety, particularly for run support, I would select Ronnie Lott. I don't know of a more punishing tackler to ever play that position.
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Agree on Lott but Mike Haynes is the best overall corner I have ever seen. Prime time for a stretch of his career took away half the field and may be the best pure cover corner.
 
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thebjd said:
Agree on Lott but Mike Haynes is the best overall corner I have ever seen. Prime time for a stretch of his career took away half the field and may be the best pure cover corner.
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Seems like Woodson, throughout his career, has been the guy they've been willing to test, and frequently regretted testing.
 
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thebjd said:
Agree on Lott but Mike Haynes is the best overall corner I have ever seen. Prime time for a stretch of his career took away half the field and may be the best pure cover corner.
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That's why I specified "cover corner" in reference to Sanders. He may not have invented it, but he certainly popularized the bump tackle. Run support, to put it mildly, was not his forte.
 
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thebjd said:
Agree on Lott but Mike Haynes is the best overall corner I have ever seen. Prime time for a stretch of his career took away half the field and may be the best pure cover corner.
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Lester the Molester Hayes was a mighty fine corner.
 
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onevol74 said:
I hope no UT player ever wins the Heisman Trophy. That trophy is not worthy of any UT player. Have not watched the presentation since 1997 and never will.

And in reality, football is a team sport. Individual awards are worthless.
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I can honestly say the same. Not one!!
 
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I think we spread the ball around so much that not one of our guys accumulates stats needed to earn Heisman recognition. That's a good thing.
 
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Being the top SEC qb next year, Dobbs will have a great opportunity. He is already getting media hype. A good team year and he will have a chance.

Everyone will be behind LF7 though.
 
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crusse10 said:
It would be one thing if Charles Woodson went on to do nothing in the NFL. But he's arguably the best DB in the National Football League THIS YEAR, as the oldest defensive player in the League. Get the hell over it. I'd bet that year was one of very few seasons (if not the only season) where the 1st and 2nd Heisman finishers went on to be 1st-ballot hall of famers in the NFL. Hell they could go down as the best offensive and defensive players in the history of the NFL.

I can't believe y'all still act like Peyton lost it to a scrub.
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Woodson is still a productive NFL DB, but he's currently nowhere near "arguably the best DB in the NFL right now".

And while I completely agree that Woodson was an outstanding college player and certainly wasn't a scrub, he was the beneficiary of a remarkable media campaign that year. He had pedestrian numbers, didn't lead the country in anything....he wasn't really even a 2-way player....he had 11 catches all year long on offense, averaged all of 8 yds per punt return. But when the media-driven narrative hit a fever pitch after he scored an offensive TD vs Ohio State late that year, it was over....even though Peyton threw for 520+ yds and 4tds on the same day iirc.

At the end of the day, what's done is done, and Charles Woodson has been in the NFL what he was at Michigan....an outstanding DB, not some transformative 2-way player which the media hyped him to be, which was a huge part of the explanation for why he became the first defensive player in forever (actually, just EVER iirc) to win the award.
 
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crusse10 said:
Seems like Woodson, throughout his career, has been the guy they've been willing to test, and frequently regretted testing.
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Peyton has tested him many times over the last 18 years and pretty much won every time, including last year when he burned Woodson for 2 tds. Charles finally got Peyton a few weeks ago, 18 years later, while Manning and company were still trying to implement and get comfortable with a new offensive scheme.
 
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crusse10 said:
I sure hope y'all can eventually stop being spiteful little children
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Says the kid who pretty much held his breath while rolling around in the floor proclaiming his hatred for Phil Fulmer a few months back in another thread. Lol!
 
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