For those who think nobody would want to coach here

[Bauce]

The only jokes are about our mediocre football team and the fans who keep convincing themselves that we're one year away from taking things to the next level.

Like that sign said: If I had a dollar every time Tennessee said this is their year

 

[SayNoToJorts]

The reason we've had to settle when hiring coaches isn't due to poor in-state talent, a lack of resources, or because people think we have irrational fans. The reason is because we, for reasons I can't understand, have been waiting until the last possible minute to make changes. While other programs make changes when they aren't satisfied with the results, we wait until we have a complete dumpster fire on our hands. Qualified coaches look at Tennessee and see a historically top 10-15 program where competent coaches can have real success, but are obviously going to be put off by the fact that the roster is in such bad shape.

And that's why we settle. The coaches we should be targeting pass because they know their resume is good enough to wait for a different offer. An offer that, while likely comparable in terms of money and opportunity, provides them a far greater chance to win early. The coaches we end up hiring are the coaches like Derek Dooley and Butch Jones. In other words, the coaches who know nothing better is ever coming for them.

With all that being said, I realize that Butch isn't going anywhere. The people in power allowed Dave Hart to give Butch an insane, unearned buyout, and then made no plans to replace Hart until after this season, effectively leaving us with no option but to sit back and watch as a perfectly predictable scenario unfolds. So those of you who don't want to see Butch go (whether you actually still believe in Butch, are delusional enough to think we just need a new offensive coordinator, or are simply scared of change), there's no need to worry. Hopefully it makes you feel better when the losses start piling up.

Yes, the reason we can't get decent coaches is because we don't fire them soon enough. It is attractive to big name coaches to have a revolving door every 3-4 years regardless of year-over-year growth in wins and continued success on the recruiting trail. If we toss Butch out tomorrow, I'm sure Dabo, Gruden, and Peyton Manning will be fighting each other in the parking lot to get in.

The truth is we had an opportunity to capitalize on our 90's successes and it went out the door the moment Kiffin left which was the equivilent of a mini death penalty. Our team was a dumpster fire the day that happened up until Butch pulled up with the fire hose. Butch is the only reason we haven't fallen to Vandy status, and just when football is fun again, you morons want to kick him out and fall back into oblivion. How soon people forget

 

[a vol n tears]

Wins are wins and loses are loses no matter how they arrive. Butch beat Ga and Fl in the same season since who can remember. He has improved the record ever year he's been here. Made changes to the staff.
Many wanting to fire him but no one is giving any names of guaranteed winning coaches that would leave their current job to come here. Do you think any amount of money will bring in Meyer, Saban, Harbough, etc. Those schools will just up their pay. Jimbo, Stoops, Miles (never thought was that good), Sumlin, and I can go on. They have lost multiple games this year. Lets don't kill what momentum has been started by taking a gamble on someone for the sake of change!! And yes CBJ has made great improvements in the program on things beside just the Wins and Loses. At least wait until he stops improving his record every year.

 

[tvolsfan]

Fire him now and make someone else write a check because I need to be entertained dammit!

I mentioned in the first post in this thread that money makes firing him unrealistic. I bet that you felt really smart typing that, though.

 

[tvolsfan]

I will laugh my butt off if Hart grants ya'lls wish and fires Butch after this season then replaces him with someone even worse. You honestly think you can trust Hart with another coaching hire? lol Be careful what you wish for.

Also addressed in the first post in this thread. We have a lame duck AD and Butch isn't going anywhere.

 

[Rudy123]

The reason we've had to settle when hiring coaches isn't due to poor in-state talent, a lack of resources, or because people think we have irrational fans. The reason is because we, for reasons I can't understand, have been waiting until the last possible minute to make changes. While other programs make changes when they aren't satisfied with the results, we wait until we have a complete dumpster fire on our hands. Qualified coaches look at Tennessee and see a historically top 10-15 program where competent coaches can have real success, but are obviously going to be put off by the fact that the roster is in such bad shape.

And that's why we settle. The coaches we should be targeting pass because they know their resume is good enough to wait for a different offer. An offer that, while likely comparable in terms of money and opportunity, provides them a far greater chance to win early. The coaches we end up hiring are the coaches like Derek Dooley and Butch Jones. In other words, the coaches who know nothing better is ever coming for them.

With all that being said, I realize that Butch isn't going anywhere. The people in power allowed Dave Hart to give Butch an insane, unearned buyout, and then made no plans to replace Hart until after this season, effectively leaving us with no option but to sit back and watch as a perfectly predictable scenario unfolds. So those of you who don't want to see Butch go (whether you actually still believe in Butch, are delusional enough to think we just need a new offensive coordinator, or are simply scared of change), there's no need to worry. Hopefully it makes you feel better when the losses start piling up.

Michigan did the same thing. We had Fulmer who started to let the program go. We lost to Wyoming.
Loyd Carr let the Michigan program go. THey lost to App. State.
Michigan hired RIch Rod who killed the program.
We hired Dooley.
Michigan hired Brady Hoke from San Diego State. He was a good recruiter and a good ambassador for U.M. but he could not win games. We hired bUTch from Cincinnati. He is a good recruiter and a good ambassador for U.T. but he can not win games.
Michigan fires Hoke and the new coach uses Hokes recruites to win. U.T. ???????????????????

 

[TNnative]

Its not that you lose. Its who you lose too. And we shouldn't have lose to sc

No, it is not WHO you lose to. It's WHY. This is why fans don't get to fire coaches.

 

[TNnative]

But I thought injuries were not an excuse. :unsure:

Try referring to the full post, and not a small snippet, Jughead.

 

[Shaun1985]

I don't think Butch is a bad coach but he's stubborn. A new offensive philosophy changes a lot of minds but it's doubtful he does that. Obviously he believes in his system and we have no choice but to accept that. I'm not in either camp but I am curious if any staff changes are made. It's doubtful he bends with a 'Stoops type of hire' but if changes are made at OC, how much of a difference does it even make? Lots of uncertainties.

 

[TNnative]

The only jokes are about our mediocre football team and the fans who keep convincing themselves that we're one year away from taking things to the next level.

Try listening to a few NON Tennessee fans once in a while.

 

[tvolsfan]

Try listening to a few NON Tennessee fans once in a while.

Believe me, I have.

 

[08Vol]

The reason we've had to settle when hiring coaches isn't due to poor in-state talent, a lack of resources, or because people think we have irrational fans. The reason is because we, for reasons I can't understand, have been waiting until the last possible minute to make changes. While other programs make changes when they aren't satisfied with the results, we wait until we have a complete dumpster fire on our hands. Qualified coaches look at Tennessee and see a historically top 10-15 program where competent coaches can have real success, but are obviously going to be put off by the fact that the roster is in such bad shape.

And that's why we settle. The coaches we should be targeting pass because they know their resume is good enough to wait for a different offer. An offer that, while likely comparable in terms of money and opportunity, provides them a far greater chance to win early. The coaches we end up hiring are the coaches like Derek Dooley and Butch Jones. In other words, the coaches who know nothing better is ever coming for them.

With all that being said, I realize that Butch isn't going anywhere. The people in power allowed Dave Hart to give Butch an insane, unearned buyout, and then made no plans to replace Hart until after this season, effectively leaving us with no option but to sit back and watch as a perfectly predictable scenario unfolds. So those of you who don't want to see Butch go (whether you actually still believe in Butch, are delusional enough to think we just need a new offensive coordinator, or are simply scared of change), there's no need to worry. Hopefully it makes you feel better when the losses start piling up.

"We wait until we have a complete dumpster fire on our hands" Dude, seriously? Ok so Fulmer was 1 bad play away from winning the SEC in 2007, had a bad year in 2008 and was fired before the end of the season. Kiffin came in, ran off a lot of talent, then left and took as many of his recruits as he could with him. Then we have to hire a coach a few months after the end of the season, oh and the NCAA was investigating us due to Kiffin paying college girls to sleep with high schoolers. Dooley was hired because he was as clean as they come. The program was a dumpster fire due to Kiffin pouring gasoline on it and striking a match. Everyone talks about Dooley like he was the worst possible result ignoring the NCAA wanted to reduce our scholarships and bowl ban us for multiple years.

Notice how we didn't wait for a dumpster fire but were fighting the one Kiffin caused when we hired Dooley and Jones.

 

[shalford89]

I'm not convinced that the powers that be want Tennessee to be a football school.


Or any sports school for that matter.

 

[casetopia]

we should start firing coaches before we hire them. would save a lot of time and money.

 

[jcvols24]

The list of possible big time schools looking for a new coach at the end of the year makes me question if firing butch would be the best option.

If by chance texas, notre dame, oregon, lsu, and usc retain their coaches I wouldn't be terribly upset if they pull the trigger and fired him. This assuming we don't win out. If he wins out then our w/l trajectory still rises year to year and you can't ask for much more than that given where he started.

I am ok with a short leash on him if we see the wins decrease because he has thrown up some major red flags the past couple of years. But to fire a coach that has improved our record in every year sends too many wrong messages imo.

 

[Tbam]

I think with Hurd gone....this will light a fire in the offense...hope

 

[Burger]

Giving Butch until 2020 would bring the program back to the Dooley days. His recruiting is going downhill quick. Butch really digressed as a football coach since he left Cincy. His scheme is not the problem at all. The passing scheme is used almost everywhere in some form, and the ZBS is used by almost everyone in the conference like Alabama.

Butch's problem is the day to day practice. A coaching staff overhaul is a death sentence in a way.

 

[ptclaus98]

We need to continue weeding out the locker room cancers and get guys in here that actually play for the team. Yeah people may joke about us having a bunch of 3 stars this coming class but you know what, at this point I'd rather have those 3 stars that will play with a chip on their shoulder and play for the power T than a couple of 5 stars that only care about stats and personal glory. Yes we do need some 4 and 5 star talent and we will get them but I want guys that that will follow the lead of a guy like Jauan Jennings. He will be a captain next year and hopefully his attitude and playing style will rub off on team 121. I wish we had an entire team of guys with his attitude and heart.

When you have a coach that can actually coach and best utilize his best players, it is amazing how hard his players will play, even though there will be some players that leave.

 

[ptclaus98]

"We wait until we have a complete dumpster fire on our hands" Dude, seriously? Ok so Fulmer was 1 bad play away from winning the SEC in 2007, had a bad year in 2008 and was fired before the end of the season. Kiffin came in, ran off a lot of talent, then left and took as many of his recruits as he could with him. Then we have to hire a coach a few months after the end of the season, oh and the NCAA was investigating us due to Kiffin paying college girls to sleep with high schoolers. Dooley was hired because he was as clean as they come. The program was a dumpster fire due to Kiffin pouring gasoline on it and striking a match. Everyone talks about Dooley like he was the worst possible result ignoring the NCAA wanted to reduce our scholarships and bowl ban us for multiple years.

Notice how we didn't wait for a dumpster fire but were fighting the one Kiffin caused when we hired Dooley and Jones.

First off, It was like two weeks after the championship game. Secondly, we absolutely didn't HAVE to make the hire at that time. We had Kippy Brown who was willing to be the head guy and we obviously had assistants that stayed. We could have had Kippy be the interim and done due diligence in a coaching search and ended up with at least a better mid major coach.


Lastly, it wasn't Kiffin that ruined relations with Tennessee HS coaches, it wasn't Kiffin that didn't give a **** about recruiting, it wasn't Kiffin that didn't recruit OL in an entire class, and it wasn't Kiffin that hired Sunseri. As a matter of fact, it was the leftover aspects from Kiffin's year that were the overwhemingly bright parts of Dooley's(and even into Jones') time here. Bray, Hunter, Juwaun James, Fulton, Rivera, and Palardy were all guys that Kiffin did the heavy lifting on, and even Da'Rick, Cam Clear, Raijon Neal, Tiny, AJ, and Maggitt were first offered by Kiffin and had the groundwork set by his staff.

 

[JohnD13]

U sir r spot on. Unfortunately the same thing will happen again. Butch shoulda been gone last year

LOL only someone with zero football acumen would say that.

 

[luthervol]

We absolutely waited too long to ditch Fulmer. We fired Dooley after just three years, though he managed to do an impressive amount of damage. We are already in the process of waiting too long to fire Butch. A process started by our idiot AD and our unwillingness to replace him earlier. Another example of why you don't wait until the last minute.

Firing Fulmer was a colossal mistake that we are still paying for today. There are obviously two camps of thought here, but I know I'm right and you're wrong.

What can't be denied is the fact that the program has not been the same since we fired him.

So we didn't fire Majors to late? We didn't fire Kiffin at all. We fired Dooley after 3 years..... and your contention is that we wait to long to fire coaches.

You may want to come up with another reason for us to hurry up and fire Jones; your last one failed.

 

[tvolsfan]

Firing Fulmer was a colossal mistake that we are still paying for today. There are obviously two camps of thought here, but I know I'm right and you're wrong.

What can't be denied is the fact that the program has not been the same since we fired him.

So we didn't fire Majors to late? We didn't fire Kiffin at all. We fired Dooley after 3 years..... and your contention is that we wait to long to fire coaches.

You may want to come up with another reason for us to hurry up and fire Jones; your last one failed.

Fulmer went a decade without winning a title and was putting slop on the field by the end. He got what he deserved and the fact that so many don't want to admit that shows how blind loyalty can torpedo a program.

 

[volfannbama]

I find it funny that all these smart people with all the answers always leave out one small detail....who ya got? What coach are you gonna hire that guarantees more wins and sec championship etc.

A bunch of Auburn fans were saying hire Malzhan a couple weeks ago.

 

[tvolsfan]

I find it funny that all these smart people with all the answers always leave out one small detail....who ya got? What coach are you gonna hire that guarantees more wins and sec championship etc.

A bunch of Auburn fans were saying hire Malzhan a couple weeks ago.

Literally the point of starting the thread. Every year we wait to fire Butch, our options go down and so does the quality of those options.

 

[volfannbama]

Firing Fulmer was a colossal mistake that we are still paying for today. There are obviously two camps of thought here, but I know I'm right and you're wrong.

What can't be denied is the fact that the program has not been the same since we fired him.

So we didn't fire Majors to late? We didn't fire Kiffin at all. We fired Dooley after 3 years..... and your contention is that we wait to long to fire coaches.

You may want to come up with another reason for us to hurry up and fire Jones; your last one failed.

Some people just gotta have a narrative and will use any logic possible to validate it