For those who say that Pruitts success is only

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Because of close proximity to elite head coaches, ask yourself this. Nick Saban runs the best program in college football and it's not even close. Just as players line up to play for him, coaches line up to coach for him. He once had a staff with 4 former HCs on it, and when he needed a new OC he got a guy from the Patriots. If Pruitt isn't the real deal then why did Saban go out and get him? He started out in an administrative position and the guy has gone straight up the ladder. Ask yourself why FSU won a NC with him but can't even win the ACC now that he's gone. Sure it's easier to recruit to FSU and Bama than it is to other places. But it's also easier when you've got coaches that players are naturally drawn to. Pruitt is just one of those guys.
 
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vol66 said:
Ugh.


The Hard Sell.


Seems to be all the rage this morning.


:eek:lol:
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to me, pruitt is an easier sell than the other two. Tucker the next, and Steele is a don't want.

and even for pruitt and tucker, a lot of what anyone will think about those hires would revolve around the staff either could assemble.
 
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Brohm was on the table.

Leach was on the table.

Kiffin, like him or not, is infinitely more qualified than either of these Google coaches.

It's almost like we don't want to try and win.
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
Brohm was on the table.

Leach was on the table.

Kiffin, like him or not, is infinitely more qualified than either of these Google coaches.

It's almost like we don't want to try and win.
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I absolutely agree with some of that, but none of what you just said has anything to do with my post.
 
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It's a crap shoot. We don't know, but that's true with all hires.

There have been several Saban assistants who have been successful

Fisher
Dantonio
Smart

There have been several who failed

Muschamp
Dooley
Bobby Williams
McElwain

Flip a coin.
 
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99gator said:
It's a crap shoot. We don't know, but that's true with all hires.

There have been several Saban assistants who have been successful

Fisher
Dantonio
Smart

There have been several who failed

Muschamp
Dooley
Bobby Williams
McElwain

Flip a coin.
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If what Mac achieved in Gainesville is the floor for UT then I will be a very happy man. Minus the shark humping of course.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
If what Mac achieved in Gainesville is the floor for UT then I will be a very happy man. Minus the shark humping of course.
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It wasn't the floor, it was the ceiling.

He had one really good win (Ole Miss, 2015) and one decent win (LSU, 2016) while at Florida.

And keep in mind, things were getting worse not better.

Mac's tenure can only be described as a failure. A record propped up by inferior competition, not be quality football.

And an extreme amount of luck. Could have/should have lost 3 times to Tennessee. Guice went the wrong way on 4th down in that 2016 LSU game or that's a loss. Kentucky this year could have easily been a loss. Went to overtime with Florida Atlantic in 2015. That's off the top of my head.
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
Brohm was on the table.

Leach was on the table.

Kiffin, like him or not, is infinitely more qualified than either of these Google coaches.

It's almost like we don't want to try and win.
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If you had to google Jeremy Pruitt then you really dont know college footbal. I know this is a news flash for a lot of people but a good proven head coach is not breaking the doors down to coach at UT.....
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
Brohm was on the table.

Leach was on the table.

Kiffin, like him or not, is infinitely more qualified than either of these Google coaches.

It's almost like we don't want to try and win.
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This. And the whole "hiring a coordinator worked out for UGA and Oklahoma alright" is just dumb logic. All head coaches started there, but only a few become solid HC's. This is another crap shoot hire and I guess we'll see how it turns out.
 
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99gator said:
It's a crap shoot. We don't know, but that's true with all hires.

There have been several Saban assistants who have been successful

Fisher
Dantonio
Smart

There have been several who failed

Muschamp
Dooley
Bobby Williams
McElwain

Flip a coin.
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Muschamp failed at Florida, but he seems to have turned it around at Carolina. And the shark humper did win b2b East titles.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Muschamp failed at Florida, but he seems to have turned it around at Carolina. And the shark humper did win b2b East titles.
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Muschamp hasn’t done squat at Carolina.

They are 8-4 and are 8-4 because Florida and Tennessee are 4 win teams. And Tennessee and Florida could have won that game with the crap they put out on the field.

McElwain was garbage and was fired for it. Tired of “he won the East”
 
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99gator said:
It's a crap shoot. We don't know, but that's true with all hires.

There have been several Saban assistants who have been successful

Fisher
Dantonio
Smart

There have been several who failed

Muschamp
Dooley
Bobby Williams
McElwain

Flip a coin.
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:thumbsup: only problem with that is, we've been asked to do that every single time we've been in this position, going back to when Fulmer had to hire an OC, and each and every time we've flipped, it's come up opposite of what we called.

so the general consensus right now is....why would that change, when the same people are doing the flipping?

the expectations have changed, and i think most of us just expect this to be a dud.

now, i'm trying to choose not to. but not gonna lie...it's hard.

i'll support Pruitt. want him to be great. maybe he will be.

so at this point, i'm going with "what if he's Jimbo Fisher or Kirby Smart?" vs. "what if he's Sal Sunseri or Jim Maclewain?"
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Because of close proximity to elite head coaches, ask yourself this. Nick Saban runs the best program in college football and it's not even close. Just as players line up to play for him, coaches line up to coach for him. He once had a staff with 4 former HCs on it, and when he needed a new OC he got a guy from the Patriots. If Pruitt isn't the real deal then why did Saban go out and get him? He started out in an administrative position and the guy has gone straight up the ladder. Ask yourself why FSU won a NC with him but can't even win the ACC now that he's gone. Sure it's easier to recruit to FSU and Bama than it is to other places. But it's also easier when you've got coaches that players are naturally drawn to. Pruitt is just one of those guys.
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I agree! Pruitt will make a fine coach for us if he's the one.
 
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Bluetic said:
This. And the whole "hiring a coordinator worked out for UGA and Oklahoma alright" is just dumb logic. All head coaches started there, but only a few become solid HC's. This is another crap shoot hire and I guess we'll see how it turns out.
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Well out of the 4 coaches in the playoffs 3 of them were coordinators and had no HC experience, so there might be something to that.
 
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jakez4ut said:
:thumbsup: only problem with that is, we've been asked to do that every single time we've been in this position, going back to when Fulmer had to hire an OC, and each and every time we've flipped, it's come up opposite of what we called.

so the general consensus right now is....why would that change, when the same people are doing the flipping?

the expectations have changed, and i think most of us just expect this to be a dud.

now, i'm trying to choose not to. but not gonna lie...it's hard.

i'll support Pruitt. want him to be great. maybe he will be.

so at this point, i'm going with "what if he's Jimbo Fisher or Kirby Smart?" vs. "what if he's Sal Sunseri or Jim Maclewain?"
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Oh, I understand. Believe me. This feels like a riskier bet than other options that were discussed.

I’m just trying to put a positive spin on it that we can’t pretend to know. We don’t know until we see them.

I laughed when Clemson promoted Dabo Swinney. I ain’t laughing now
 
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Stoked said:
Well out of the 4 coaches in the playoffs 3 of them were coordinators and had no HC experience, so there might be something to that.
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Actually Dabo wasn't even a coordinator. He was improbably promoted from WR coach to HC after Bowden was fired.
 
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Stoked said:
Well out of the 4 coaches in the playoffs 3 of them were coordinators and had no HC experience, so there might be something to that.
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Everybody was a coordinator/position coach at some point. Nobody has jumped right in to a HC position ever that I’m aware of.
 
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I'm not hating on Pruitt. I can easily get on board with it. But I'm pretty sure I could run my 2 formation PeeWee football defense and be relatively successful with Alabama's defense. I guess I've still got some PTSD (Post Traumatic Sunseri's Defense) lingering
 
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99gator said:
Oh, I understand. Believe me. This feels like a riskier bet than other options that were discussed.

I’m just trying to put a positive spin on it that we can’t pretend to know. We don’t know until we see them.

I laughed when Clemson promoted Dabo Swinney. I ain’t laughing now
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well,i think this is actually a lot less risky than Kiffin, Dooley and Jones. but what is that really saying?

at least this guy knows what championship staffs, rosters and programs look like.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Because of close proximity to elite head coaches, ask yourself this. Nick Saban runs the best program in college football and it's not even close. Just as players line up to play for him, coaches line up to coach for him. He once had a staff with 4 former HCs on it, and when he needed a new OC he got a guy from the Patriots. If Pruitt isn't the real deal then why did Saban go out and get him? He started out in an administrative position and the guy has gone straight up the ladder. Ask yourself why FSU won a NC with him but can't even win the ACC now that he's gone. Sure it's easier to recruit to FSU and Bama than it is to other places. But it's also easier when you've got coaches that players are naturally drawn to. Pruitt is just one of those guys.
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You make some good points. I have wondered if Pruitt has just been lucky being associated with programs that are doing well (exception is the UGA experience, that did not go well).

I suppose the only way you find out if a guy can be a good head coach at your school, is to take the leap and hire him.

That process is the same, no matter if they are coming from a coordinator job or another head coaching gig.

The one glaring exception is Coach Sweeny, had neither HC or Coordinator experience but has made a great CEO as the head man.

If we do hire a coordinator, I will always wonder why Brent Venables was not in the mix. He changed Clemson from an ACC contender into a NC winner / multiple playoff contender.

I have a suspicion that Bama will get Clemson this year in the semi-finals. Or course that remains to be seen.

IF UT does hire Pruitt (he would have to accept the job and that has seemed to be an issue), it should come with the caveat that he comes onboard immediately. Same goes for Tucker. And that CANNOT be the reason that Fulmer settles on Steele, no playoff involvement that would make him available earlier.
 
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