For those that want Fulmer out

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Vols2TheWall

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Winning the SEC could be the best thing. Not saying we will but with all of the negativity from the fan base surrounding Fulmer this way could end things nicely and on a positive note. Maybe if he ends up on top of the SEC he will retire and go out on top knowing it may not get much better than this. He will be remembered for his NC in 1998 and his teams in the mid-90's and everyone would remember that he went out winning the conference. Im sure his family is sick of the negativity and we could all end this vol on vol violence in peace.
 
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I think the best possible scenario would be Phil winning the SEC, and then winning the BCS bowl game. That would do a lot to erase the hurt from our big losses.
 
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Last Saturday I listened to Doug Matthews discuss this idea at length with a caller, and according to him there is NO WAY that Phillip is going to retire any time soon. He basically thinks that Phil will dig in his heels and make the school pay him the full buyout. I don't know if Doug is 100% correct on this subject but I tend to believe it.
 
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If he does that, NC win or not, he will go down as a villain to a lot of alumni and fans of this University. He cannot talk about his love of this university, gift us some money, and then basically demand that back and then some.
 
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IMO Fulmer want to break Neyland's record for wins, he needs about 4 more years to do that.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Last Saturday I listened to Doug Matthews discuss this idea at length with a caller, and according to him there is NO WAY that Phillip is going to retire any time soon. He basically thinks that Phil will dig in his heels and make the school pay him the full buyout. I don't know if Doug is 100% correct on this subject but I tend to believe it.
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I'd lose a lot of respect for him if he made the school he loves so much do that.
 
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I would rather Phil go out with some diginity..but its time for a change though. I would love it if we were to actually win the east. However what I dont want is to win the east go to the seccg and get embarrased again.
 
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TreeGreen said:
I think the best possible scenario would be Phil winning the SEC, and then winning the BCS bowl game. That would do a lot to erase the hurt from our big losses.
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I would love nothing more than to win the SEC and a BCS bowl game. I think that there are some fans that have their expectations set way too high, and won't be happy unless we go undefeted and win a NC, and until that happens or CPF is gone there are going to be people talking trash about him and the coaching staff.

I mean come on it is the SEC, everyone is good. winning the East, West and/or SEC probably makes you a top 3 football team in the country. Even with 3 loses.
 
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A top 3 football team does not lose to its two biggest rivals by a combined score of 100-37 while failing to score an offensive TD in the second half of either game.
 
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UT07ALUM said:
I would love nothing more than to win the SEC and a BCS bowl game. I think that there are some fans that have their expectations set way too high, and won't be happy unless we go undefeted and win a NC, and until that happens or CPF is gone there are going to be people talking trash about him and the coaching staff.

I mean come on it is the SEC, everyone is good. winning the East, West and/or SEC probably makes you a top 3 football team in the country. Even with 3 loses.
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I agree with the sec being good. I have always said it was the toughest conference to play in. I dont expect to go undefeated and win a NC every year. However I dont expect us to get flat out embarrased in the 3 losses that we have. I do expect UT to be competitive even if they lose.
 
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vader said:
A top 3 football team does not lose to its two biggest rivals by a combined score of 100-37 while failing to score an offensive TD in the second half of either game.
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I'm not saying Just UT any 3 lose SEC team that wins the SECCG could probably beat 3/5 of the top five (Non-SEC) teams this year.
 
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UT07ALUM said:
I'm not saying Just UT any 3 lose SEC team that wins the SECCG could probably beat 3/5 of the top five (Non-SEC) teams this year.
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OK, I see what you are saying. I don't agree with it, but I see what you are saying.
 
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TreeGreen said:
If he does that, NC win or not, he will go down as a villain to a lot of alumni and fans of this University. He cannot talk about his love of this university, gift us some money, and then basically demand that back and then some.
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Sure he can. That's why the sign the contract. They have obligations to him just like he has obligations to them. It's still a business despite all of the love and respect that goes into it. Money is money when it boils down to it, especially when it's in the millions.

If they fire him, he should go after every penny that he's supposed to get. Anyone else would and rightfully so. I wouldn't blame him at all.

Who cares what he does after he's gone? If all everyone is worried about is us winning with a new coach, what does a few million from the very deep pockets of the University that HE helped stuff, matter in the long run?
 
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Because Tennessee was dirt poor before he assumed the head coach position...

If we won the SEC, I see Fulmer stayed, and it buying him several more years of mediocrity. I don't see him stepping down gracefully.
 
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The point is it would be hypocritical for him to do it after all the talk about how much he loves his alma mater. I understand the business side of the equation, but give me a break if he truly loves this university where he played, graduated, and coached why would he bilk us? I for one, will be very disappointed in the man for going out in a torrent. If he loves us he will step down if it comes to being fired. The only thing I would be OK with as far as he is concerned would be forcing the buy out for his assistant coaches who aren't making 2 million a year.
 
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Wow Godfatha, what an observation. I'm sure someone really thinks they were dirt poor before he got there. Way to try to put words into peoples posts. I didn't say anything about pre-Fulmer did I? Nor did I give any notion that there wasn't money before he got there.

However, since he's the one that does or doesn't do everything beings he's the "head coach", then you can't name anyone else that has brought as many millions to than University than he has. Even when we're average, his team is still pumping millions into the school. Therefore, a few million that THEY promised him if THEY were to buy out his contract is legally HIS money that HE earned when HE signed the contract that THEY offered. lol!

It isn't stealing, it isn't taking what isn't his, it isn't a lack of care for the school. It's business and that's just part of it. I just don't see how it would be hypocritical when it's money that is part of his contract that everyone has.
 
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TreeGreen said:
The point is it would be hypocritical for him to do it after all the talk about how much he loves his alma mater. I understand the business side of the equation, but give me a break if he truly loves this university where he played, graduated, and coached why would he bilk us? I for one, will be very disappointed in the man for going out in a torrent. If he loves us he will step down if it comes to being fired. The only thing I would be OK with as far as he is concerned would be forcing the buy out for his assistant coaches who aren't making 2 million a year.
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But I do see what you're saying and where you're coming from. Just put yourself into his shoes. Buyouts are a big part of contracts for coaches and players and some times they are deal breakers in signing contracts.
 
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I love the VOLS and have for many many years, I am as biased as anyone when it comes to the team, but a top 3 team?? No way. Bama and Florida, not to forget the now forgettable Cal Bears, thumped us. I hope, like all true Vol fans, that the boys win out, but a top 10 finish seems very unlikely. I would settle, at this point, for beating Ark, Vandy, and KY giving us the SEC East and a shot at the title (love to see bama there). I expect to win three of next 4 and get a decent bowl bid. Yes I long for the days when beating those three teams was a given (maybe a ?? or two with Ark some years).:crossfingers:
 
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gcb/hoosiervol said:
I love the VOLS and have for many many years, I am as biased as anyone when it comes to the team, but a top 3 team?? No way. Bama and Florida, not to forget the now forgettable Cal Bears, thumped us. I hope, like all true Vol fans, that the boys win out, but a top 10 finish seems very unlikely. I would settle, at this point, for beating Ark, Vandy, and KY giving us the SEC East and a shot at the title (love to see bama there). I expect to win three of next 4 and get a decent bowl bid. Yes I long for the days when beating those three teams was a given (maybe a ?? or two with Ark some years).:crossfingers:
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I'm fairly sure he's talking about over all - not just this year or even this decade.

Could be wrong though. :dunno:
 
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NationofVols said:
Sure he can. That's why the sign the contract. They have obligations to him just like he has obligations to them. It's still a business despite all of the love and respect that goes into it. Money is money when it boils down to it, especially when it's in the millions.
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I would think occasional SECCs would be one of Phil's obligations. If he doesn't accomplish it this year, then he's simply not holding up his end of the bargain.
 
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NationofVols said:
Wow Godfatha, what an observation. I'm sure someone really thinks they were dirt poor before he got there. Way to try to put words into peoples posts. I didn't say anything about pre-Fulmer did I? Nor did I give any notion that there wasn't money before he got there.

However, since he's the one that does or doesn't do everything beings he's the "head coach", then you can't name anyone else that has brought as many millions to than University than he has. Even when we're average, his team is still pumping millions into the school. Therefore, a few million that THEY promised him if THEY were to buy out his contract is legally HIS money that HE earned when HE signed the contract that THEY offered. lol!

It isn't stealing, it isn't taking what isn't his, it isn't a lack of care for the school. It's business and that's just part of it. I just don't see how it would be hypocritical when it's money that is part of his contract that everyone has.
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Yep, noone else could go 9-4 every year and bring in millions to the university. The University had a tremendous following and tradition before Fulmer was around. If you want to give anyone credit for raking in the dough at UT, give it to Doug Dickey. As much as I dislike the guy, he certainly upped UT's facilities under his reign.

Nowhere did I say that what is in Fulmer's buyout is not legally his money. It is legally his money. I doubt there is a performance clause in his contract. If so, the University might have an out. Regardless, the ideal thing to happen would be for Fulmer to retire at the end of this year and the University to give him his buyout as a going away present. I would not begrudge him that. He certainly deserves it more than Jerry Green or Buzz Peterson.

I just do not see Fulmer going out gracefully. Maybe (hopefully), I am wrong.
 
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Vols2TheWall said:
Winning the SEC could be the best thing. Not saying we will but with all of the negativity from the fan base surrounding Fulmer this way could end things nicely and on a positive note. Maybe if he ends up on top of the SEC he will retire and go out on top knowing it may not get much better than this. He will be remembered for his NC in 1998 and his teams in the mid-90's and everyone would remember that he went out winning the conference. Im sure his family is sick of the negativity and we could all end this vol on vol violence in peace.
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I actually thought about that as a possiblity. Maybe he rides off into the sunset and is able to right his own exit after all.
 
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UT07ALUM said:
I would love nothing more than to win the SEC and a BCS bowl game. I think that there are some fans that have their expectations set way too high, and won't be happy unless we go undefeted and win a NC, and until that happens or CPF is gone there are going to be people talking trash about him and the coaching staff.
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I haven't seen one fan that wants Fulmer fired (either in here or anywhere) that realistically expects Tennessee to go undefeated every year and win a NC every other year. At the very least, we expect an SEC championship every 6-7 years, a BCS or other New Years Day Bowl game every other season, having a winning record (or .500) in bowl games over any stretch of years, and having a fundamentally sound team that is well coached, executes the fundamentals, and plays hard/with passion.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I haven't seen one fan that wants Fulmer fired (either in here or anywhere) that realistically expects Tennessee to go undefeated every year and win a NC every other year. At the very least, we expect an SEC championship every 6-7 years, a BCS or other New Years Day Bowl game every other season, having a winning record (or .500) in bowl games over any stretch of years, and having a fundamentally sound team that is well coached, executes the fundamentals, and plays hard/with passion.
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AMEN!
 
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