For Those That Dont Think This is a Good Class

[brianlsanders]

Go to Mr.SEC and checkout their class breakdown.

Keep in mind theyre are not ranking CP as a 5*

Our average is brought down by the 2*s (Blanc,Bullock) that Dooley took a chance on but im fine with that.

The class compares very favorably and should get better if we grab the 3* cincy LB.

Trying not to be nega or posi here.

 

[NMVol]

Right. Another class with the measurables to be competitive in the SEC and with some playmakers. I like the direction of the program.

 

[FRO]

Lets go five wide, go up by 24. Run the ball to finish the game. Thats all we have to do. Play average defense, give up 24 and well win 36 27 week after week. Go vols

 

[bigeasy]

Right. Another class with the measurables to be competitive in the SEC and with some playmakers. I like the direction of the program.

Wait a positive member on VolNation??? nice to meet you

 

[yoranguavol2]

very interesting. Thanks.

 

[VolFromNashville]

I don't think it's bad at all. We got some help at positions of need. Obviously, another LB or two would have helped for the 3-4 defense, but we have some good players returning this season too.

 

[pastorvol]

It's time we lift our wings and soar high with the eagles, rather than descend and flap with the buzzards!

 

[Tux]

Dooley did a very good job of filling most of our immediate and depth needs. That is what recruiting is really about.

 

[shelbyvillevol]

It's time we lift our wings and soar high with the eagles, rather than descend and flap with the buzzards!

Isaiah 40:31. Nice!

 

[sjt18]

Lets go five wide, go up by 24. Run the ball to finish the game. Thats all we have to do. Play average defense, give up 24 and well win 36 27 week after week. Go vols

When I think about what Chaney seems to be doing... I keep thinking of the UF offenses of the 90's.

Score lots of points early and force your opponents out of their game plan. Would be great to see UT on the right end of that against the teams that have built their programs around running the football and grinding clock even more than Fulmer did.

 

[Vols4us]

As I have posted before, this is my favorite class of the past three. They came despite the debacle of last season, the coaching turnover, AD change, and the NCAA issues. That means they are tough and don't give a crap what anyone thinks. There are a half dozen guys that will make a difference next season, not just over their entire time on the Hill.

Which brings up another point on ratings - those recruiting service clowns don't know crap about players. There are so many players with good talent and measureables. It is the development, schemes/techniques, playcalling, and heart that make the difference. Coaching in other words.

 

[Vol8188]

Obviously, another LB or two would have helped for the 3-4 defense, but we have some good players returning this season too.

Stop this! A 3-4 defense does not require more lbs than a 4-3!

 

[tnvols72]

When I think about what Chaney seems to be doing... I keep thinking of the UF offenses of the 90's.

Score lots of points early and force your opponents out of their game plan. Would be great to see UT on the right end of that against the teams that have built their programs around running the football and grinding clock even more than Fulmer did.

I just hope Bray gets in the film room and learns how to read def. and know what the right play to check into.I think if he 100% dedicates himself the sky is the limits for him.

 

[aboles922]

Stop this! A 3-4 defense does not require more lbs than a 4-3!

quite simply it does, hence the name 3-4, as in 4 LBS. Whereas a 4-3 is 3 LBS. You must've missed that part of school that teaches you that 4 is greater than 3.
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[ionaVOL]

quite simply it does, hence the name 3-4, as in 4 LBS. Whereas a 4-3 is 3 LBS. You must've missed that part of school that teaches you that 4 is greater than 3.
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Gotta go with vol8 on this one...guys like j smith, j williams and latroy lewis who would be DE's in a 4-3 are perfect lb's for a 3-4...so really we don't need more lb's

 

[dsimplified]

quite simply it does, hence the name 3-4, as in 4 LBS. Whereas a 4-3 is 3 LBS. You must've missed that part of school that teaches you that 4 is greater than 3.
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Actually in a 4-3 the two DE's could play OLB in a 3-4. So you can't really base it off of 3-4 means 4 LB's. The skill set for 3-4 LB's is different from the 4-3 LB's. The two OLB's in the 3-4 are hybrid type DE's in the 4-3 base. So you can't really say its 4 LB's in the way a 4-3 has 3 LB's. Hope that makes sense...haha!

 

[aboles922]

You still have to have guys that can play coverage and rush the passer. I didn't see a DE on the field last year that could do either. Believe what you want to. You also have to have 2 MLBs we have one. You can say Lathers all you want but his natural position is outside and has only one healthy year in 4.
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[gavolgal]

As I have posted before, this is my favorite class of the past three. They came despite the debacle of last season, the coaching turnover, AD change, and the NCAA issues. That means they are tough and don't give a crap what anyone thinks. There are a half dozen guys that will make a difference next season, not just over their entire time on the Hill.

Which brings up another point on ratings - those recruiting service clowns don't know crap about players. There are so many players with good talent and measureables. It is the development, schemes/techniques, playcalling, and heart that make the difference. Coaching in other words.

One of the best statements I have seen on this board in a long time.

 

[dsimplified]

You still have to have guys that can play coverage and rush the passer. I didn't see a DE on the field last year that could do either. Believe what you want to. You also have to have 2 MLBs we have one. You can say Lathers all you want but his natural position is outside and has only one healthy year in 4.
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In a 3-4 the OLB's are much more skilled in rushing the passer than playing coverage. It's easy to say that you didn't see a DE on the field last year that could pass rush because we didn't have a pass rush all year. The 3-4 will create different angles and combinations for our pass rushers to attack. I believe J. Smith is ideal for a 3-4 OLB, and he had a horrible year. The other OLB will be C. Maggitt. I haven't figured out how Lathers will fit into a 3-4 yet. I agree his natural position is OLB in a 4-3. The reason DC's sub in nickel and dime packages is to get better coverage guys on the field.

 

[aboles922]

In a 3-4 the OLB's are much more skilled in rushing the passer than playing coverage. It's easy to say that you didn't see a DE on the field last year that could pass rush because we didn't have a pass rush all year. The 3-4 will create different angles and combinations for our pass rushers to attack. I believe J. Smith is ideal for a 3-4 OLB, and he had a horrible year. The other OLB will be C. Maggitt. I haven't figured out how Lathers will fit into a 3-4 yet. I agree his natural position is OLB in a 4-3. The reason DC's sub in nickel and dime packages is to get better coverage guys on the field.

I do agree that I think we have the horses to pull this switch off, I am just trying to figure out what we're going to do in the middle. But with Big Dan running the nose it might be a perfect fit for Lathers to be in the middle with AJ. As long as the NT can keep 2 guys occupied then HL should excell because he is a down hill LB. My initial point was saying that just one of the ILB we were after would have been huge for our depth at LB. We have 4 we can put out there but after that it gets questionable real quick.
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[P810sDaMan18]

To run a 3-4 you MUST have a NT that will demand a double team. If McCullers doesnt get double teamed then we have a problem. We dont need any OL getting to our LBs. Thats the reason of going to a 3-4. If the other DTs can demeand a double team or even provide a lot of pressure we will be great. You guys are right as well about the DEs in a 4-3 being OLBs in a 3. I have watched CSS in practice and love the intensity he brings. SOOOO Pumped about this Defense!

:rock:

 

[Cartervol]

I don't think they'll transition to a true 3-4 next year. I think you'll see them run it some but not all the time. McCullers would absolutely have to be beastly for them to make the swap all together. Rarely if ever does a Juco come in and have that type of impact. Hopefully we get some good minutes out of him and that's about all you can expect early.

 

[Vol8188]

You only need two linebackers in a 3-4. The other two guys are your best pass rushers, play on the line of scrimmage, have QB on option, and contain responsibility. I call that a DE. Sure they will drop into coverage some, but we will try to hide Smith in coverage by playing him in the flats to the boundary or if we have him on the field we will roll the corner into the flats and put him in a hook/curl zone.

We will actually play just as many Lbs either way though, simply because Maggit was a DE/LB tweener from day one and was used as a DE a lot last year. So we lose him at LB.

3-4 is just a new name for a 5-2 and a way of making your defensive ends feel less fat by calling them "OLBs".

 

[Vol8188]

To run a 3-4 you MUST have a NT that will demand a double team. If McCullers doesnt get double teamed then we have a problem. We dont need any OL getting to our LBs. Thats the reason of going to a 3-4. If the other DTs can demeand a double team or even provide a lot of pressure we will be great. You guys are right as well about the DEs in a 4-3 being OLBs in a 3. I have watched CSS in practice and love the intensity he brings. SOOOO Pumped about this Defense!

:rock:

I think this year we finally have the guys to two gap and protect the LBs in a 3-4, even if McCullers takes a bit to come along. We can move Couch to nose and still have plenty of options at DE (Sentimore, Miller, Walls, O'Brien, Taylor, etc.). I'm really pumped to see this, as well.

 

[Vol8188]

quite simply it does, hence the name 3-4, as in 4 LBS. Whereas a 4-3 is 3 LBS. You must've missed that part of school that teaches you that 4 is greater than 3.
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Lol you're right we will run a "3-4". We will play Couch at NG, Smith and Bohannon at DE, and then find 4 Lbs. That's exactly how you play a 3-4, you just take out a DT and insert a fourth LB right?

A 3-4 is a 5-2. You simply insert another DT and take out one LB (in our case Maggit was already used as a DE a lot on passing downs last year so there is no real change, and Sentimore is a DE/DT tweener so it will make being multiple very easy for our Defense).

Only the ILBs are true LBs in a 3-4 scheme.