For Those of You Saying the Incorrect Call Was Made...

#77
#77
Labotomi said:
There's bad calls and there's ignoring the rules. The refs will get hammered more for not following the rule book than they will for missing a call.

The ref ruled him down which was in incredibly bad call. Once that happened, the play was over. It's non review-able because you can't always know what would have happened if the play were allowed to continue. This particular case it probably wouldn't have changed anything. In others, it could have had a huge effect.

They won't change the rule that you can't review whether a play should have been called dead or not. To do so would cause players to continue playing after the whistle because of the "what if" the whistle is overruled by the replay official. A player could get hurt if he drops his guard because of the whistle and another who continues playing levels him.

I'm glad the media also states that his knee never touched the ground and the play shouldn't have been called dead. The touchdown would have happened if the official let the play continue. This doesn't change the fact that it was incorrect of the officials to overturn the ruling when it's not allowed.

It doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they recognize and acknowledge the errors that occurred, but apparently everyone who states the truth will be labeled a troll or accused of being a Vandy fan in disguise.

I know I rarely post. But I've been reading this board along with others for a long time. i would have been extremely mad if Tennessee had lost because of the error, but I'm not going to claim that the touchdown should have stood. I am truly surprised that the fans here are either ignorant of the rules or simply don't care.

Feel free to make accusations about my loyalties. I know I've been a Vol fan for longer than the majority on this board. No accusations or insults will change that fact.
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I'm certainly not questioning your loyalty. My feelings are that at the end of the day, they got the call right. I'm glad they didn't hide behind a technicality to get it right. And I honestly would feel exactly the same if it we were on the losing side. The game was decided on the field with candy chokin and Eric Gordon makin a great play; we deserved to win and made the play to win. Period.
 
#78
#78
There is an old saying, that two wrongs don't make a rihgt. No question the whislte was wrong. But does then deliberately ignoring another rule make things right? That's a tough question. Dooley had already been on the bad end of those type of things. The refs should have the right to correct agregious wrongs. The ref screwed up, he knew it. For review, it is very possible that the replay officials ONLY reviewed where his knee was. Since the official on the field said there was no whislte, there was no reason for review to go beyond that point. The actual whislte was after he was a good 15+ yards down the field.
 
#79
#79
Ref Conversation:

Head Ref to linesman: Hey Dumba** did you blow your whistle?

LM (looking at the Jumbotron): Uhh nope sure didn't and let's get the he!! out of here.

Head ref: Good enough for me....
 
#80
#80
Roustabout said:
There is an old saying, that two wrongs don't make a rihgt. No question the whislte was wrong. But does then deliberately ignoring another rule make things right? That's a tough question.
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That may be a tough question; the question of "should I lie" should not be a tough question, though.

hog88 said:
Ref Conversation:

Head Ref to linesman: Hey Dumba** did you blow your whistle?

LM (looking at the Jumbotron): Uhh nope sure didn't and let's get the he!! out of here.

Head ref: Good enough for me....
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This is why this crew should be punished.
 
#82
#82
ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Blowing the whistle, is what caused the controversy. At game speed, from the angle the ref had, it may very well have appeared the knee was down. All that matters is the play was reviewed and gotten right, even though the review did break the current review rules. I assure everyone if the situation were reversed, every Vol fan alive would be as upset as Franklin and Vandy if not more so. We finally got the benefit, of a game ending call ... be happy and have a nice day. :)
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Best point of the thread. I agree 100% that if Vandy had picked that ball off and the whistle blew, every Tennessee fan alive would be saying play over, non-reviewable, etc. etc.

The best thing about Saturday's game is that the officials MADE it right, even though they will get reprimanded for it.
 
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#83
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therealUT said:
That may be a tough question; the question of "should I lie" should not be a tough question, though.
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Agreed. Lying is absolutely horrible; 50 year old men having sex with 5 year olds? Ehhhh, that's not nearly as clear.
 
#84
#84
volnpowell said:
I can not think of his name, but the ref who used to be a TE for Vandy that hates us must have told that ref to fill in for him since he was not there.:whistling:
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Alma Matthews is the former VUTE that blew the mythical Jabar Gaffney touchdown. The same thing happened when Matthews supposedly made a TD catch in Knoxville that was ruled no catch preventing Vandy from the win. Both plays long before replay.
 
#85
#85
I truly don't understand the contoversy. Nothing during that last play should have triggered the ref blowing the whistle. The knee wasn't down, there was no stop in forward progress. The Vandys coach needs to worry more about his QB throwing to the opposing team than trying to stir up some make believe story about a play needing to be blown dead for little to no reason.
 
#86
#86
sanddune50 said:
I truly don't understand the contoversy. Nothing during that last play should have triggered the ref blowing the whistle. The knee wasn't down, there was no stop in forward progress. The Vandys coach needs to worry more about his QB throwing to the opposing team than trying to stir up some make believe story about a play needing to be blown dead for little to no reason.
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I agree with the point of your post. However, the controversy is that the play actually was blown dead not that it should have been.
 
#87
#87
Well there is really no way to rationally analyze the play when the call on the field is both that there was no whistle and that there was a catch, a fumble and a knee down.
 
#90
#90
volumnus said:
You guys are pathetic. If Tennessee had lost the game on the same call, you'd be irate. You are hypocritical women if you say one word about Dooley beating LSU or UNC except for bad calls. You better never mention those games again. Bad calls happen. We are 1-2 on game ending bad calls. Stop lying to yourselves. It's okay to support your team without living in a state of blind denial.
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It does not matter if fan X or fan Y would have said this or said that if other way around, all that matters is the truth.
 
#91
#91
sanddune50 said:
I truly don't understand the contoversy. Nothing during that last play should have triggered the ref blowing the whistle. The knee wasn't down, there was no stop in forward progress. The Vandys coach needs to worry more about his QB throwing to the opposing team than trying to stir up some make believe story about a play needing to be blown dead for little to no reason.
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And to take that a step further, Franklin and his staff should have never called a play that only minutes earlier had almost ended in an interception......

Bottom line, the whistle should have never been blown, he wasn't even close to being down and the outcome of the game was the correct one. Technically, should the play have been reviewed after the whistle had been blown? No, but technically the whistle shouldn't have been blown in the first place.

Anyone can call me a liar or whatever but I would NEVER want to win because the refs called a player on the other team down after an interception when said player was OBVIOUSLY not down. Right is right and EG made the play that won the game
 
#92
#92
Flathead said:
Worst call I ever saw was the ball hitting a Florida receiver in the chest and falling right thru his arms and they called it a touchdown! Too bad we didn't have reviews then!
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Remember that call as if yesterday....If I'm not mistaken the official who made the call was Alama Matthews who played for Vandy....I also believe that he was told that he'd never call another UT game because it was such a terrible call that 105,000+ people could see was terrible.........
 
#93
#93
Theres no bigger Vol fan on the planet than I. Im also a HS football official. When the whistle blew, the play was over. Whether EG's knee was down or not, the play was over, sorry. Im glad we caught a break, and chances are we would have won anyway, but when the whistle blows the play is over, simple as that. I was sitting in the upper level and of course did not hear a whistle, heard one on the replay.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Theres no bigger Vol fan on the planet than I. Im also a HS football official. When the whistle blew, the play was over. Whether EG's knee was down or not, the play was over, sorry. Im glad we caught a break, and chances are we would have won anyway, but when the whistle blows the play is over, simple as that. I was sitting in the upper level and of course did not hear a whistle, heard one on the replay.
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Join me in a round of fisticuffs
 
#95
#95
Big Orange 1 said:
Theres no bigger Vol fan on the planet than I. Im also a HS football official. When the whistle blew, the play was over. Whether EG's knee was down or not, the play was over, sorry. Im glad we caught a break, and chances are we would have won anyway, but when the whistle blows the play is over, simple as that. I was sitting in the upper level and of course did not hear a whistle, heard one on the replay.
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Ref said he did not blow the play dead....sooooo, someone in the stadium seemed to have had a whistle. Conspiracy theory I say....
 
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#97
#97
The sole purpose for instant replay is to get the call right.

"Whistle blows ... the play is dead ... UT ball at the 25 ... yadda, yadda, words, words."

Replay got it right. And that's the purpose of replay.
 
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#98
#98
volumnus said:
Or just a dishonest person who thinks the truth is a relative concept that can be stretched to benefit your agenda.

The whistle was blown. At that second, the play was over. It's true the official missed the call, but lying about the whistle is/was reprehensible. Tennessee should have gotten the ball on Vandy's 25. Basically the lesson the officials sent to everyone watching was that if you make a mistake, do something else wrong to make up for it.

Last year ESPN had a segment about the worst call of the year, and it was the debacle at the Music City Bowl. There were 8 missed calls that resulted in UNC being handed the victory. If any team deserved a missed call to go in their favor, it was UT. But lets not bury our heads in the sand. The correct application of the rules would have given us the ball on Vandy's 25 with a very shaky kicker.
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OK, smart ass, you won't leave this alone....so......who blew the whistle????? Answer that question or STFU.
I've watched the replays over and over and I never saw a ref with a whistle in his mouth. The referee even said the whistle had not blown....yeah, you can hear a whistle on the replay after EG is ten yds. downfield. Who'se to say someone in the stands didn't have a whistle.
Answer the question or go away!!
 
#99
#99
Big Orange 1 said:
Theres no bigger Vol fan on the planet than I. Im also a HS football official. When the whistle blew, the play was over. Whether EG's knee was down or not, the play was over, sorry. Im glad we caught a break, and chances are we would have won anyway, but when the whistle blows the play is over, simple as that. I was sitting in the upper level and of course did not hear a whistle, heard one on the replay.
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Who blew the damn whistle???????????????
Noone can seem to answer that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#100
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preacherwebb said:
The sole purpose for instant replay is to get the call right.

"Whistle blows ... the play is dead ... UT ball at the 25 ... yadda, yadda, words, words."

Replay got it right. And that's the purpose of replay.
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I'll concede that the right conclusion was reached by using the wrong method.
 
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