For the last time, why the SEC is the best conference...

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rexvol said:
and completely justified
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really? the number 2 team in the deal was UGA and they validated their strength by, losing to USC, getting killed at UT, miraculously escaping at Vandy, struggling mightily with GT, struggling with Auburn. I just don't see the big spread we're working.

Prayer victories by Stanford over USC and Oregon's QB going down actually put the SEC in the championship. UT played in the SECCG got trounced by Cal. That's a strong statement.

There are myriad arguments pro and con, but the dominance isn't quite what it's been hyped to be IMO.
 
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jakez4ut said:
a plus one this year would have been outsanding. i still am against a full blown playoff.
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Plus one will happen first, IMO.

I like having bowls around which we fans can plan winter vacations--and 'plus one' accomodates that.
 
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and don't get me wrong, i'm not advocating that KS should have been playing in the NT game, but the rationale put forth suggested that teams with the best w/l record should play. KS 11-1 (b4 bowl) OSU 11-1 (b4 bowl) HW 12-0 (b4 bowl).

the voters took in to account SOS for two of them, but not OSU.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
really? the number 2 team in the deal was UGA and they validated their strength by, losing to USC, getting killed at UT, miraculously escaping at Vandy, struggling mightily with GT, struggling with Auburn. I just don't see the big spread we're working.

Prayer victories by Stanford over USC and Oregon's QB going down actually put the SEC in the championship. UT played in the SECCG got trounced by Cal. That's a strong statement.
There are myriad arguments pro and con, but the dominance isn't quite what it's been hyped to be IMO.
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It's only strong if you assume neither team changed between September and January. That doesn't define the UT season I witnessed.
 
#56
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jakez4ut said:
and don't get me wrong, i'm not advocating that KS should have been playing in the NT game, but the rationale put forth suggested that teams with the best w/l record should play. KS 11-1 (b4 bowl) OSU 11-1 (b4 bowl) HW 12-0 (b4 bowl).

the voters took in to account SOS for two of them, but not OSU.
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That's a great point, again, Jake!
 
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jakez4ut said:
no, we don't. the biggest thing Ohio State had going for them is that htey are "Ohio State". everyone with a brain looked at the schedule and knew it wasn't that great. yet they still got the votes in the human polls (2/3 of the total) to put them in the game.

i don't know the actual rankings, but i'd be interested to see KS's SOS compared to OSU's and see where they ranked. i know neither one was very good.

but in the end, it's real simple. OSU is "THE" OSU from the Big 10. Kansas is basketball school. the name got the votes.
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given that the human polls tend to be regionalized and OSU given credit for big wins over the likes of PSU and Wisconsin, the relative strength of schedules is completely neutralized using the human polls. It comes down to BCS team W - L. We run into trouble when they all lose or more than one ends up undefeated because we have a horrendously imperfect means of settling disputes.
 
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Clearly, non BCS undefeateds have no prayer of making the title game.

As for Kansas, the weakness of their schedule was so glaring, that it mattered. That's not the case for the teams legitimately vying for the title.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
really? the number 2 team in the deal was UGA and they validated their strength by, losing to USC, getting killed at UT, miraculously escaping at Vandy, struggling mightily with GT, struggling with Auburn. I just don't see the big spread we're working.

Prayer victories by Stanford over USC and Oregon's QB going down actually put the SEC in the championship. UT played in the SECCG got trounced by Cal. That's a strong statement.

There are myriad arguments pro and con, but the dominance isn't quite what it's been hyped to be IMO.
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that's valid, but my only point was there's a reason why many, self included, talk so highly about the SEC and how tough it is. and when you consider the competition at the top, and even the 2nd tier, comparitively speaking, it is true. and that almost 40% of all the National titles won since 1992 have been by SEC teams(4 different ones i might add), and that the SEC is now 4-0 in BCS title games (3 different teams), there simply not another conf. that comes close imo. which is why winning the SEC title still means something. some of the other conf. can't say that.

i'm not one however, to start the whole "if we played in the big 10 or if USC played in the SEC" type stuff. i dont' necessarily buy in to all that hype. but when the conf. continually does what it does to itself, and then on the big stage, it just can't be ignored.
 
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That is really a silly way to determine with winning percentage. So a Mac team sends one team to a bowl and wins it, while the SEC sends 9, count them, 9 teams and come out 7-2.
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I think so as well.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that's valid, but my only point was there's a reason why many, self included, talk so highly about the SEC and how tough it is. and when you consider the competition at the top, and even the 2nd tier, comparitively speaking, it is true. and that almost 40% of all the National titles won since 1992 have been by SEC teams(4 different ones i might add), and that the SEC is now 4-0 in BCS title games (3 different teams), there simply not another conf. that comes close imo. which is why winning the SEC title still means something. some of the other conf. can't say that.

i'm not one however, to start the whole "if we played in the big 10 or if USC played in the SEC" type stuff. i dont' necessarily buy in to all that hype. but when the conf. continually does what it does to itself, and then on the big stage, it just can't be ignored.
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why dont you have one of the blogs on the Nation? you should, this is quality information and I completely agree with it. I would also point out that until the Big 10 and Pac-10 have championship games the SEC teams operate with a clear disadvantage..........and we've still won 40% of the NC's.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Clearly, non BCS undefeateds have no prayer of making the title game.

As for Kansas, the weakness of their schedule was so glaring, that it mattered. That's not the case for the teams legitimately vying for the title.
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ok, so i went and looked it up, i went to this website:
GBE College Football Ratings

and it lists KS having the 80th ranked schedule
OSU came it in the middle of the pack at 54.

here's something i didn't expect, USC came in at 83 (i suspect Neb sucking and Cal/Ore dropping off at the end didn't help, and that loss to STanford sticks out like a sore thumb.

LSU was 13. GA was 7. in fact, 11/12 SEC teams were in the top 20. the lowest ranked was Ark at 33.

so like i said, OSU gets the benefit of doubt because they are OSU. their scheudle was barely average. KS was below average.
 
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rexvol said:
why dont you have one of the blogs on the Nation? you should, this is quality information and I completely agree with it. I would also point out that until the Big 10 and Pac-10 have championship games the SEC teams operate with a clear disadvantage..........and we've still won 40% of the NC's.
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eh, i've thought about it, but most of this is just ramblings from the old noggen. Hat and Lex et al, actually have some style and substance to their submissions. I'll leave it to them, and you can catch me on the board, where i probably belong.:)

someone that should consider it though is OWH. He doesn't say much, but when he does say something, i usally pay attention to it.
 
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I hope people on this message board learned a lesson

Seriously guys, are you done bashing and mocking the SEC? Last year we got embarassed and humiliated by Florida in the national championship game, yet for some strange reason everyone on this board proceeded to bash the SEC and mock the whole speed arguement for the entire past year. Well guess what? We got another dose of SEC speed last night and once again we were humiliated.

From now on, when we get destroyed in a bowl game, keep your mouths shut. We can't talk crap about other teams and conferences when we play the way we did last night. You idiots running your mouths on this board and other team's boards only make Buckeye fans look like fools.






:)

Spending a few minutes over there reading threads made my day.


I officially request that they no longer are referred to as tOSU, but just OSU. They don't deserve to put themselves on such a pedestal.
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, i've thought about it, but most of this is just ramblings from the old noggen. Hat and Lex et al, actually have some style and substance to their submissions. I'll leave it to them, and you can catch me on the board, where i probably belong.:)

someone that should consider it though is OWH. He doesn't say much, but when he does say something, i usally pay attention to it.
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that's a good point about OWH. You on the other hand sound like you're choosing style over substance. :nono: That's the problem with the world today. I believe it giving credit where credit is due. I was hoping Freak would let me have a blog called "The Negavol's Corner". What I would do is take every victory and show how we really lost and of course I would rant and rave about Phil. Im pretty sure that I could fill some pages.
 
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rexvol said:
that's a good point about OWH. You on the other hand sound like you're choosing style over substance. :nono: That's the problem with the world today. I believe it giving credit where credit is due. I was hoping Freak would let me have a blog called "The Negavol's Corner". What I would do is take every victory and show how we really lost and of course I would rant and rave about Phil. Im pretty sure that I could fill some pages.
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:eek:lol:you and VHB should do some work together, and submit something to Freak. i'm sure it would be entertaining.
 
#68
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jakez4ut said:
eh, i've thought about it, but most of this is just ramblings from the old noggen. Hat and Lex et al, actually have some style and substance to their submissions. I'll leave it to them, and you can catch me on the board, where i probably belong.:)

someone that should consider it though is OWH. He doesn't say much, but when he does say something, i usally pay attention to it.
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I have been gleaning Guitar Shots all day to find any substance to anything I have ever written.:eek:lol:

I really enjoy your weekend reviews.
 
#69
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Lexvol said:
I have been gleaning Guitar Shots all day to find any substance to anything I have ever written.:eek:lol:

I really enjoy your weekend reviews.
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ah, well you have nothing to worry about, you've come up with some very creative stuff Lex.

and thanks, they're easy to do, cause i just love college football.

maybe i'll give it some more thought and get with Freak. Who knows........
 
#71
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jakez4ut said:
as if we needed more proof, we got it last night.

I'm not one of these SEC elitists out there always proclaiming the SEC is best regardless, i've called it when we were down, and we've been down recently, but there's not another conference that stands the test of time like the SEC does. there's not another conference that has as much top level comepetition like the SEC has. there's not another conf. that has 5 different coaches with national titles currenlty coaching in this league (Fulmer, Meyer, Miles, Saban and Spurrier).

but just for giggles, for anyone that still has questions as to why everyone thinks, eh, knows, the SEC is the best conf, here it is:

Competition with in the league. Moreover, it's the competition from the middle to the top that really makes it. people say we beat up on each other cause it's true. and in some leagues while that sounds nice, in this league, what that means is that 6-7 teams each year have a legit shot at the SEC title. and 6 times that champion has won an National title in the last 16 years (.375, think of it as a batting average). and thos 6 titles have come from 4 different teams (LSU twice, FL twice, Bama, TN).

there's simply not another conf. that has that kind of competition w/in it's own league.

Pac 10--USC and...............?
big 10--OSU and Mich..........
big 12--(this year not withstanding) OU and TX
Big East--WVU
ACC--FSU was the perrennial champ for over a decade, and now, the league is a hodge podge of mediocre teams.

sure there were upsets this year and good stories in KS, MO, SFl, UConn, Wake etc....but these things don't stand the test of time like the SEC does.

when a team or program or two dominate a league for extended periods of time, i think the case can be made that that is over all detrimental to that league. Look no further than the Big 12 and Big 10 for evidence. while the top of each league is very good, the 2nd tier is a long ways off. Not so in the SEC.

KY beat LSU. TN beat GA. GA beat FL. MSU beat Aub. Ark beat LSU. FL beat TN. SC beat GA. and these things happen every year. the phrase "anyone can win on any given Saturday" does hold true in the SEC. and it's not just the occaisional upset we're talking about here. when these things happen, conf. titles are on the line.

since the SEC split in to divisonal format 6 different teams have won the SEC: TN, FL, Bama, Aub, GA, LSU. 8 teams have appeared in the SEC title game, the only ones to not make an appearance: Vandy, KY, Ole Miss, Sout Carolina. 9 teams have at least won a share of the divison, the only ones to not do so: Vandy, KY and South Carolina. The only SEC team to not go to a bowl game over that time span is Vandy.

there's simply not another conf. that boasts that kind of competition year in and year out for tops in the league.

So when people talk about the SEC being the best, this is why. When people down play other leagues compared to the SEC this is why. When we say our strength of schedule is good because of the conf. games we play, this is why. when we say we're better than the Big 10, this is why. when you look at recruiting rankings and you see 6, 7 or 8 teams in the top 20 year in and year out, this is why. When you watch NFL games on Sunday and see NFL rosters littered with former SEC players, this is why. when we say winning the SEC title still means something, this is why.

there's a reason why Michigan, OSU don't get all that excited about conf. titles. they know what we know. it just isn't that big of a deal.

So, if you needed more proof, then you got it last night, but for the rest of us, we know it, we've always known it, and for the forseeable future, it will continue to be true. the big 10 has Mich/OSU. the big 12 has the red river shootout. The Pac 10 ahs "the game". the SEC has the Iron Bowl, the Third Saturday in October, the World's Largest Cocktail Party, the Oldest Rivalry in the South, the Egg Bowl.

and that doesn't even include games like TN/FL, TN/GA, FL/LSU, LSU/Bama, Aub/LSU, Aub/FL.....we have big games every weekend. everyone else has a big game once or twice a season. so to the rest of the college football world, i simply say......

S E C. S E C. S E C.

Here's to hoping we get back on top of it sooner than later. Go Vols, and congrats to the Bayou Bengals.
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You guys do have the best conference right now, without a doubt and I'll be the first to admit it. Just too bad we couldn't see UGA vs. USC or LSU vs. USC.
 
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big ten will be back, Michigan will do well the next few year. . . unless everyone moves out of the state (which is the trend I have noticed recently).
 
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awebb7 said:
big ten will be back, Michigan will do well the next few year. . . unless everyone moves out of the state (which is the trend I have noticed recently).
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Ya, Rodriguez will have Michigan on the right track in a couple years or so. He's already told the Free Press in Detroit that he's planning on recruiting 2-3 QB's in this class alone. What he's done with 2-3 star recruits over the years is astonishing, and what he could do at Michigan, man I just can't wait!:rock:
 
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