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Discussions about how much money affects recruiting crop up in this forum, and I know I've been a little confused about how things have changed. So, if anyone is interested, this thread is to discuss, cuss, and chew the cud on the topic. Maybe even beat a few dead horses.

Interestingly, Knox News has a big story on NIL today for those who have a subscription or want to pay a $1 for the article. There's also a story available from the same reporter that says it from KnoxNews at Yahoo Sports. Here's a paragraph that stood out to me from the latter:

Athletics director Danny White said he allocates 75% of UT’s athlete pay, or $13.5 million, to the football program. The rest includes 15% to men’s basketball ($2.7 million); 5% to women’s basketball ($900,000); and 5% to other sports ($900,000), including $750,000 of that to baseball.

$900,000 divided by 15 roster spots is $60,000 per year. Again, that's on top of a scholarship. Not that it will be divided evenly, but that's a starting point.

Opendorse has a report "NIL at Four" that pulls from all their data about NIL deals. (You have to give them email, etc. to download. I said I was media. Here's my publication site!) Lots of interesting stuff. I'll try to post some of it, but here's two things to start. One, what a crazy few years for athletic directors and coaches. Total money involved in NIL (not all of which gets to athletes) went from just over $900 million in 21-22 to $2.26 BILLION in 24-25 and an estimated $2.75 BILLION this year. That's there's some tumultuous change! Interesting point from this is that the role of collectives is shrinking rapidly: $1.3 billion in 24-25 to $227 million this year.

Finally, the NCAA has a dashboard where you can play around looking at NIL data by year, sport, position of the player, etc. For example:

For deals reported from July 1 of this year (after the House settlement went into effect), half of the 840 or so women basketball players in the P4 conferences have total NIL earnings of $3390 or less (the median). But the average is $20,724. Obviously, a few players with HUGE deals are pulling the average up. In fact, the site shows that only about 1% of players have total NIL compensation over $50,000 -- that would be about 8 players!

Finally, "social media influencers" rack up some big NIL dollars, and they aren't always the best athletes. For example, the Cavinder twins from Miami pulled in around $1.7 million based on their social media following:


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And, one of the leading all-time NIL money earners is an LSU Gymnast:

Olivia Dunne.jpg

So, as with so much of marketing and media, there's more than sports going on here.

And, one final point I saw in some of my reading (I think from Geno): What happens as this goes forward. UCLA has already committed to support of its women's team, and there's a lot of money floating around in LA businesses. Does it end up like baseball, where the Dodgers and Yankees are much better spots for a player, over and above salary, due to the "outside" endorsement deals?

Anyway, I find it all very interesting and, as I said, am just learning. Happy to be corrected if others see where I've misunderstood something, and would love to hear others thoughts and comments!
 
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Discussions about how much money affects recruiting crop up in this forum, and I know I've been a little confused about how things have changed. So, if anyone is interested, this thread is to discuss, cuss, and chew the cud on the topic. Maybe even beat a few dead horses.

Interestingly, Knox News has a big story on NIL today for those who have a subscription or want to pay a $1 for the article. There's also a story available from the same reporter that says it from KnoxNews at Yahoo Sports. Here's a paragraph that stood out to me from the latter:



$900,000 divided by 15 roster spots is $60,000 per year. Again, that's on top of a scholarship. Not that it will be divided evenly, but that's a starting point.

Opendorse has a report "NIL at Four" that pulls from all their data about NIL deals. (You have to give them email, etc. to download. I said I was media. Here's my publication site!) Lots of interesting stuff. I'll try to post some of it, but here's two things to start. One, what a crazy few years for athletic directors and coaches. Total money involved in NIL (not all of which gets to athletes) went from just over $900 million in 21-22 to $2.26 BILLION in 24-25 and an estimated $2.75 BILLION this year. That's there's some tumultuous change! Interesting point from this is that the role of collectives is shrinking rapidly: $1.3 billion in 24-25 to $227 million this year.

Finally, the NCAA has a dashboard where you can play around looking at NIL data by year, sport, position of the player, etc. For example:

For deals reported from July 1 of this year (after the House settlement went into effect), half of the 840 or so women basketball players in the P4 conferences have total NIL earnings of $3390 or less (the median). But the average is $20,724. Obviously, a few players with HUGE deals are pulling the average up. In fact, the site shows that only about 1% of players have total NIL compensation over $50,000 -- that would be about 8 players!

Finally, "social media influencers" rack up some big NIL dollars, and they aren't always the best athletes. For example, the Cavinder twins from Miami pulled in around $1.7 million based on their social media following:


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And, one of the leading all-time NIL money earners is an LSU Gymnast:

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So, as with so much of marketing and media, there's more than sports going on here.

And, one final point I saw in some of my reading (I think from Geno): What happens as this goes forward. UCLA has already committed to support of its women's team, and there's a lot of money floating around in LA businesses. Does it end up like baseball, where the Dodgers and Yankees are much better spots for a player, over and above salary, due to the "outside" endorsement deals?

Anyway, I find it all very interesting and, as I said, am just learning. Happy to be corrected if others see where I've misunderstood something, and would love to hear others thoughts and comments!
So……LSU giving Kiffin double the amount we have per year?
 
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Facts. Not many on message boards fully understand the dynamics. Tennessee NIL is at the top and there’s no signs of it falling off any time soon.
The historic adidas apparel deal was the cherry on top.
GBO 🍊.

The pay DW is talking about is the 20m from house settlement not NIL. They are different pools of money.
 
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The pay DW is talking about is the 20m from house settlement not NIL. They are different pools of money.

It's not 3rd party NIL, but it is a sharing of the revenue streams the University earned from it's athletes. I don't know how it is addressed in the NCAA data. I was thinking that was total athlete earnings including school revenue sharing, but I could be wrong. Regardless, it seems a lot of money has moved from collectives into revenue sharing by schools. And then there are some big dollars for a few athletes from 3rd-party deals.
 
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Facts. Not many on message boards fully understand the dynamics. Tennessee NIL is at the top and there’s no signs of it falling off any time soon.
The historic adidas apparel deal was the cherry on top.
GBO 🍊.

Fully admit I'm still trying to understand. Just looking for verifiable data.

As I understand it, the Adidas deal goes into the pool from which UT can share money with athletes up to the limits set by the House settlement. I'm other words, having that money does not increase the revenue share from UT to Lady Vols basketball. Still $900,000 for 2025-26.

Of course, according to the News Sentinel story, we have a staff administrator dedicated to helping connect athletes to 3rd-party NIL deals. But these have to be for actual value rendered and pass NCAA scrutiny, which estimates are that 70%+ of prior-year collective deals would have failed. This the sharp drop in collective money.

@KnoxLikeUs,I would love to know that UT has a lot of money it can hook athletes up with that cometes with UCLA, Texas , etc. As of yet, I haven't seen anything that seems like reliable confirmation of that. Of course, I have no inside sources. Just looking at publiclu available information.
 
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