For anyone thinking Butch does not deserve a raise! (Facts)

[Spawn]

Some people will never be happy. CBJ is bringing in great players and cleaning up the mess from Kiffin (all his players left / arrested), Dooley (Terrible recruiting). Got us to a bowl game and has UT being talked about again.

CBJ leaves and the inconsistency of rapid fire coaches will keep us down another 10 years.

 

[SGMVols]

Some people will never be happy. CBJ is bringing in great players and cleaning up the mess from Kiffin (all his players left / arrested), Dooley (Terrible recruiting). Got us to a bowl game and has UT being talked about again.

CBJ leaves and the inconsistency of rapid fire coaches will keep us down another 10 years.

If having to replace a coach with the same UT record as Derek Dooley through 2 years sets us back a decade, we may as well Ferguson it down.

 

[emzeeee]

If having to replace a coach with the same UT record as Derek Dooley through 2 years sets us back a decade, we may as well Ferguson it down.

Dumb.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Oh..lookie there, MSG dogging another UT coach. Who woulda ever thunk it. You and your ilk are like Chinese water torture. It will never end. The staff deserves a raise, maybe not a large one, but they do deserve one. The results are not as good as they could have been, but they are damn sure not as bad as they should have been. You suck..always have, always will.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

My theory that Hart is gambling with profits that are there that butch will work out does not hold water? Ok please tell me how. Please go back and read all my posts in this thread and please actually listen to what I am saying. Some of you already have your response before you even read the whole posts.

No, your thesis of trying to somehow make Butch seem superior to every other coach in the SEC based on attendance doesn't hold water.

Coaches with smaller stadiums will inherently be at a disadvantage in this comparison.

If you would have only compared attendance under Jones to attendance under Dooley, then that would hold some weight.

Of course, if Butch isn't performing at a higher level than Dooley in every single facet of the job, then something is terribly wrong.

 

[14VolFan88]

Oh..lookie there, MSG dogging another UT coach. Who woulda ever thunk it. You and your ilk are like Chinese water torture. It will never end. The staff deserves a raise, maybe not a large one, but they do deserve one. The results are not as good as they could have been, but they are damn sure not as bad as they should have been. You suck..always have, always will.

They're already getting one... Now they're getting a bigger one... That's the problem..

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

They're already getting one... Now they're getting a bigger one... That's the problem..

If you had leverage to get a raise at your job, you would use it. If you say otherwise, you're a damn liar.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

But....weren't you doing the same thing? :ermm:

Yeah?

So?



One thing to keep in mind is I am not disagreeing with the guy getting a raise.

Just the reasons for it.

I'd liken it to paying for some stability over anything he has actually done performance wise, which many many people on here seem to be going out of their way to justify.

Just because UT outsells Missouri and Vandy in tickets isn't much of a reason to me.

Just because he had a tough schedule, 2nd, 7th, who cares, it's the nature of being an SEC coach and comes with the territory.

Everyone in the SEC has a relatively tough schedule.

Other coaches have done more against their schedule than Jones has under rebuilding conditions so I don't buy that as a reason to give him a raise either.

Give him a raise for recruiting? Nope. That's what he was brought in to do and should be a given expectation for the job, recruit competitively in the conference.

Some of you guys have just been so watered down by the Dooley experience that the basic facets of the job are now being trumpeted and celebrated as some miracle that only Jones can perform.

 

[14VolFan88]

If you had leverage to get a raise at your job, you would use it. If you say otherwise, you're a damn liar.

Don't call me a damn liar, you damn punk.


I own a small restaurant, so I can't get a raise unless I produce more profits... So no... If my manager came to me and wanted to give someone a raise due to his "potential" I'd probably make him an Assistant Manager if he even keeps his job at all...

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Don't call me a damn liar, you damn punk.


I own a small restaurant, so I can't get a raise unless I produce more profits... So no... If my manager came to me and wanted to give someone a raise due to his "potential" I'd probably make him an Assistant Manager if he even keeps his job at all...

Would you give said manager a raise because your restaurant, which has more tables than the restaurant down the street, is seating more people per day?

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Ok so what your saying is his performance has not increased value, has not increased recruiting, not increased APR, has not increased wins, has not increased roster, has not taken us to a bowl which the last coach had not done in two years. It's only based off wins not potential of what is to come? Whatever I am done. Their are too many people that are looking at this with emotion instead of a business mind. That the reason I am a DOO of a company and most posters on here are still living paycheck to paycheck. you all are close minded people (not all) just the loudest ones.

Stop trying to swing a big dick in everyone's face. You have zero idea what anyone on here does for a living or what anyone makes. The one's who run their mouth about how much/how big/how fancy something is, are usually the ones who dont have it.

 

[emzeeee]

Stop trying to swing a big dick in everyone's face. You have zero idea what anyone on here does for a living or what anyone makes. The one's who usually run their mouth about how much/how big/how fancy something is, are usually the ones who dont have it.

There's been a lot of 'I make more than you' going around here today and lately. It's not a trend that I think should stick around.

 

[Flipdaddy]

I think he should get a little raise for him and his staff. Butch is dealing with a lot of left over crap.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

There's been a lot of 'I make more than you' going around here today and lately. It's not a trend that I think should stick around.

.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

There's been a lot of 'I make more than you' going around here today and lately. It's not a trend that I think should stick around.

Agree. It's poor taste and unprovable anyway. Unless someone starts posting pay stubs or bank statements.

 

[sanddune50]

Recruiting is about 30% of the battle. You actually have to know how to coach for the other 70%, which whether you want to believe it or not, the verdict is still out..

So 7 wins is ok? Wow! He'll be in his 6th year before he will even get 10 wins then... Whatta coach! Countless coaches can do better than that... If the guy from Colorado State wins the division with Florida in the next couple of years it's going to make you Jones lovers look really bad...



He doesn't DESERVE a raise, he already gets one in his contract. He doesn't need more of a raise than he's already gotten... I think he gets a raise of 100K every year...

Where did you pull that percentage from? What sort of expertise do you have to make that assessment? Face it, your another slackjawed knuckledragger that has no clue what goes in to rebuilding a program. You factor in nothing in the way of talent or lack thereof left behind, number of freshmen playing due to the lack of talent, new schemes, etc. I can tell you have never played in a competitive sport in your life solely based on your views that a guy should walk in off the street in the most competitive league and win with a bunch of freshmen.. And no shooting plates on your back porch with your toothless buddies is not a competition.

Thank goodness you have no say in the matter. Your prideful ignorance and incompetence would run the program into the ground if anyone followed your philosophy. My guess is Butch is leveraging the Michigan interest to get a raise based on the conference's industry average whether you like it or not. You can sit on your couch next year and complain about it to your buddies passed out in the floor.

 

[f77f00]

APR is Attendance Per Game. Which isn't all that much.


Everything else is spot on... Not to mention that he took us to a bowl when our division is the weakest it's been in 15 years or so, and STILL could only muster 6 wins...

APR = Academic Progress Rate.

 

[tenninohio]

APR = Academic Progress Rate.

Just checked NCAA's stats:

CBJ will NOT be getting a raise based on 2012-2013 Academic Progress Rate. UT's Football APR is 932....the lowest for UT since 2007-2008.

Michigan's is 975, not surprising considering the size/academic standing of that university.

I'm sure within CBJ's performance standards is the football teams APR. New coach coming in certainly has no control on immediate past year. It will be more of an accurate snapshot from this year on out.

 

[emzeeee]

Just checked NCAA's stats:

CBJ will NOT be getting a raise based on 2012-2013 Academic Progress Rate. UT's Football APR is 932....the lowest for UT since 2007-2008.

Michigan's is 975, not surprising considering the size/academic standing of that university.

I'm sure within CBJ's performance standards is the football teams APR. New coach coming in certainly has no control on immediate past year. It will be more of an accurate snapshot from this year on out.

Did you even read the football numbers?
2010-2011: 931
2011-2012: 924
2012-2013: 932

And that's a 4 year total.
The single year number for 2012-2013 was 962, which was the highest score in program history. 2011-2012 had the lowest single year of 909.

Vols football improves APR, avoids penalties

CBJ got the number back up and out of penalty range.

 

[tenninohio]

Did you even read the football numbers?
2010-2011: 931
2011-2012: 924
2012-2013: 932

And that's a 4 year total.
The single year number for 2012-2013 was 962, which was the highest score in program history. 2011-2012 had the lowest single year of 909.

Vols football improves APR, avoids penalties

CBJ got the number back up and out of penalty range.

hey, man; went to NCAA site and selected drop down of University of Tennessee and Football. Those are the numbers in my post.

the point is that, should CBJ receive a raise, it won't be for someone believing APR is tied to Attendance nor will it be for CBJ's academic commitment.

Any raise, at this point, will be in response to a suspected interest from another school.

Thanks for moving along the discussion.

 

[emzeeee]

hey, man; went to NCAA site and selected drop down of University of Tennessee and Football. Those are the numbers in my post.

the point is that, should CBJ receive a raise, it won't be for someone believing APR is tied to Attendance nor will it be for CBJ's academic commitment.

Any raise, at this point, will be in response to a suspected interest from another school.

Thanks for moving along the discussion.

Thanks for moving along the discussion? Thanks for posting wrong information.

2011-2012 apr: UT Announces Academic Progress Rates - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics

2012-2013 apr:
UT Announces 2012-13 Academic Progress Rates - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics

909-962 is an ENORMOUS jump in APR. Don't make statements completely based outside of facts and reality.

 

[Fatman Photos]

I thought I would do some looking at the last 4 classes signed to see how many players were listed on the Current Roster as of 12/4. Here is what I came up with:

Class Signed On Roster

2011 27 14
2012 22 12
2013 22 16
2014 31 29

Out of the 102 Signed we have 71 on the roster and of the 71 on the roster, 45 are one and two year players (63%). We also have 1 5th year player on the roster.

 

[tenninohio]

Thanks for moving along the discussion? Thanks for posting wrong information.

2011-2012 apr: UT Announces Academic Progress Rates - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics

2012-2013 apr:
UT Announces 2012-13 Academic Progress Rates - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics

909-962 is an ENORMOUS jump in APR. Don't make statements completely based outside of facts and reality.

am not interested in the p****** match; most will see the last number in the chart.

:clapping: pat yourself on the back today, man.

 

[emzeeee]

am not interested in the p****** match; most will see the last number in the chart.

:clapping: pat yourself on the back today, man.

I'm sorry you're so disinterested in presenting facts. I'm not interested in a pissing match, but I'm sorry if you being wrong colors this that way.

CBJ will NOT be getting a raise based on 2012-2013 Academic Progress Rate. UT's Football APR is 932....the lowest for UT since 2007-2008.

This is verifiably wrong by literally opening your eyes and reading the number right above 932 on the chart. I provided the actual information because some people are actually interested in it because there have been significant improvements around the entire football program since CBJ's hire.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I thought I would do some looking at the last 4 classes signed to see how many players were listed on the Current Roster as of 12/4. Here is what I came up with:

Class Signed On Roster

2011 27 14
2012 22 12
2013 22 16
2014 31 29

Out of the 102 Signed we have 71 on the roster and of the 71 on the roster, 45 are one and two year players (63%). We also have 1 5th year player on the roster.

Attrition has been bad, but your figures don't account for JUCO's. McCullers, CP etc. shouldn't still be here so that makes things look even worse.