Football playoff in 2011?

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The ONLY problem that I have with a playoff is that teams like ND will somehow find their way in every year, regardless of what they do.
 
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crazyguy said:
The ONLY problem that I have with a playoff is that teams like ND will somehow find their way in every year, regardless of what they do.
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With only four teams involved, much more of the subjectivity would be taken out of them decision-making process. I think the entire nation would much rather see the TRUE top four teams involved rather than just a bigger TV draw.

Now if it expanded further than four teams, I could see ND being a bigger player.
 
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My concern with the plus1 format has always been that if it sticks it seems inevitable to me that it forces regionalization of the country into four super-conferences. Even if the SEC survived in some form, it would be forever changed and the tradition would be gone.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Why do you say that?
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I don't think it would happen over night, but it seems to me that over time you figure the way to avoid controversy about who gets one of the four slots (semifinals) to get to the plus1 game is to make them earn it. SEC has a champ game -- why not have four regionalized conference c-ships leading to that result of four teams?

I just think that eventually it would come down to such a format. Basically a pared down version of the NFL.
 
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Oh, I got you. I originally thought you were talking about 2 conferences being ignored.
 
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I imagine the BCS would remain and the top 4 teams in the BCS rankings would get the spots. The problem I have with the +1 system is that an extra game is not always needed. I don't know if there would be a way to make the +1 system come into play only when there are more than 2 teams deserving a shot at the National Championship.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think it would happen over night, but it seems to me that over time you figure the way to avoid controversy about who gets one of the four slots (semifinals) to get to the plus1 game is to make them earn it. SEC has a champ game -- why not have four regionalized conference c-ships leading to that result of four teams?

I just think that eventually it would come down to such a format. Basically a pared down version of the NFL.
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You would have to get the Big 10 on board for that to happen, and that's hard for me to see happening. They won't even go to the conference championship game format, so it's hard to see them participating in any kind of super-conference play-in format.

(And the reason they won't go to the conference championship format, of course, is because they can't. Do you put OSU and Michigan in opposite divisions? If so, most years the CG is just going to be a rematch of the only really big regular season game the B10 has. A conference championship game would expose the B10 as the top-heavy, big-two-and-mediocre-eight league that it is.)
 
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kptvol said:
I imagine the BCS would remain and the top 4 teams in the BCS rankings would get the spots. The problem I have with the +1 system is that an extra game is not always needed. I don't know if there would be a way to make the +1 system come into play only when there are more than 2 teams deserving a shot at the National Championship.
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You're right. Once the extra game is in place, it will always be played. Just like you never see the basketball selection committee walk out of the room and say, "Well, this year we only went with a 54-team bracket because that's all that deserved to be in." It's inevitable that sometimes a team that would have been a clearcut national champion under the current system would then have to play another game.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You would have to get the Big 10 on board for that to happen, and that's hard for me to see happening. They won't even go to the conference championship game format, so it's hard to see them participating in any kind of super-conference play-in format.

(And the reason they won't go to the conference championship format, of course, is because they can't. Do you put OSU and Michigan in opposite divisions? If so, most years the CG is just going to be a rematch of the only really big regular season game the B10 has. A conference championship game would expose the B10 as the top-heavy, big-two-and-mediocre-eight league that it is.)
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I don't think the Big 10 wants a 2 division, championship game format. However, if they did want it, they'd have to add another school to the conference. You have to have 12 teams in order to have a conference championship game.
 
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kptvol said:
I don't think the Big 10 wants a 2 division, championship game format. However, if they did want it, they'd have to add another school to the conference. You have to have 12 teams in order to have a conference championship game.
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If they wanted a championship game, they could find someone to add. They tried to add ND a few years ago; they could get Pitt or somebody to jump from the Big East, perhaps. Of course they don't want one -- because how can you when you only have one really big, nationally important conference game every year, and it's the last game of the season? You'd have to either have an OSU/Michigan rematch 8 out of 10 years in the championship, or put them in the same division, which would hardly be fair to everybody else in the conference. The Big 10 is just too top-heavy for a conference championship game to work.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If they wanted a championship game, they could find someone to add. They tried to add ND a few years ago; they could get Pitt or somebody to jump from the Big East, perhaps. Of course they don't want one -- because how can you when you only have one really big, nationally important conference game every year, and it's the last game of the season? You'd have to either have an OSU/Michigan rematch 8 out of 10 years in the championship, or put them in the same division, which would hardly be fair to everybody else in the conference. The Big 10 is just too top-heavy for a conference championship game to work.
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I agree 100%.
 
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I don't think the Big 10 wants a 2 division, championship game format. However, if they did want it, they'd have to add another school to the conference.
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Notre Dame, I'm looking at you.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Notre Dame, I'm looking at you.
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ND has too many annual rivalries to join a conference. In the Big 10, they'd still get to play Michigan, Purdue, and Michigan State every year, but they'd only be able to play one of either USC, Navy, Pittsburgh, or Boston College. They won't want to do that.
 
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I agree that Notre Dame would make the most sense if the Big 10 were to add a team, but their indpendent deals with NBC and the BCS are so lucrative that they'd be crazy to join a conference and have to start sharing money. When they turned down the Big 10 a few years ago, they talked about academics, their traditional schedule, history, etc., but when you can go to a BCS bowl (and, indeed, have a separate clause guaranteeing you a spot if you meet certain criteria) and keep all of that $15m for yourself, you don't change a thing.
 
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I think LawGator's concern that we'd end up with four super conferences is crazy. The regular season is not going to get any longer. I think it's more likely that the number of playoff teams would eventually increase from 4 to 8. As for the Big Ten, they weren't involved in the Bowl Alliance because of the Rose Bowl's stupid tradition. It only took one year of being left out of the process while the rest of college football moved forward for the Big Ten, Pac Ten, and Rose Bowl to jump on board and cause the Bowl Alliance to evolve into the BCS. I think ND will never join a conference unless they are forced to. However, a conference could offer to let them keep their NBC deal. That only covers ND home games. Road conference games would be part of the conference TV package. Not sure what the +/- effect would be on ND's bottom line.
 
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ukvols said:
I think LawGator's concern that we'd end up with four super conferences is crazy. The regular season is not going to get any longer. I think it's more likely that the number of playoff teams would eventually increase from 4 to 8. As for the Big Ten, they weren't involved in the Bowl Alliance because of the Rose Bowl's stupid tradition. It only took one year of being left out of the process while the rest of college football moved forward for the Big Ten, Pac Ten, and Rose Bowl to jump on board and cause the Bowl Alliance to evolve into the BCS. I think ND will never join a conference unless they are forced to. However, a conference could offer to let them keep their NBC deal. That only covers ND home games. Road conference games would be part of the conference TV package. Not sure what the +/- effect would be on ND's bottom line.
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Can you think of any year where there were 8 teams that deserved a shot at the national championship?
 
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I was thinking in terms of an 8-team tournament, rather than in terms of finding the best way to sort out who should be #1 and #2 at the end of the regular season.
 
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a +1 system is the easiest. Just take the top 4 BCS teams. It'll be strange that with a conference title, some teams will play 15 games; nearly a pro schedule.
 
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ukvols said:
I was thinking in terms of an 8-team tournament, rather than in terms of finding the best way to sort out who should be #1 and #2 at the end of the regular season.
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#1 team in the nation generally has no business wasting it's time playing the #8 team. If you're ranked #8 at the end, you don't deserve a shot, because you've already blown it in the regular season.
 
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