Football/NIL/Nico [split from BB forum]

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MarcoVol said:
And yet we’ll likely go 10-2 while you continue to complain about the roster
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Went 10-2 this year and got demolished in the CFP by a team willing to devote the money to football. I'm glad that's good enough for you.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
We have an 8-4 level roster in football right now. We went out and got one proven guy in the portal at maybe the cheapest position. We are losing almost all of our difference makers from last year to the draft and graduation, and one of the very few we are returning, Jermod McCoy, tore up his knee. Every unit on the team looks like it has regressed from last year on paper, aside from quarterback where we return a bottom half of the conference starter there. So there should be some money somewhere, either that or Spyre is doing a horrible job of raising funds.
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As my dad would say, “you’re full of more BS than a Christmas turkey“.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
We have an 8-4 level roster in football right now. We went out and got one proven guy in the portal at maybe the cheapest position. We are losing almost all of our difference makers from last year to the draft and graduation, and one of the very few we are returning, Jermod McCoy, tore up his knee. Every unit on the team looks like it has regressed from last year on paper, aside from quarterback where we return a bottom half of the conference starter there. So there should be some money somewhere, either that or Spyre is doing a horrible job of raising funds.
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Username checks out.
 
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brockytop said:
As my dad would say, “you’re full of more BS than a Christmas turkey“.
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How is it that Napier and Freeze, despite being on the hot seat, are able out-recruit us, yet we made the playoffs? I keep seeing discussions here stating that we need don’t have money to recruit the same; if that’s the case, how does Caldwell and Vitello manage to bring in top-ranked recruiting classes if we don’t have sufficient funding? To make matters worse, Vitello achieved this at a bottom feeder baseball program before he arrived.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Maybe he doesn't need the hype. The others didn't have that pressure and could just go play football. The HYPE was based on talent level. Nothing more. I also think he needs to run early and get contact. He seems to play better to me. He needs to be quicker with his reads and his wr's need to catch the ball. The most important factor is can his OL protect ? Beck was horrible until his OL protected him. All in all Nico was the only one who looked like they belonged at OSU. I agree with you to an extent that everyone on the team needs to get better and play calling needs to be better.
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Other quarterbacks had plenty of pressure. The SEC is a pressure cooker. Every starting QB at a football school has a lot of pressure. Even at OSU, it wasn’t like he was good. He hung in there and ran around to make a few plays, but he basically did the bare minimum all year once SEC play started.
 
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deatojl said:
I know you live to trash our players but please explain how Nico was a "bottom half" guy. He finished 8th in passing yards(5 of the 7 ahead of him are not returning), 7th in completion % among starters(4 of the 6 not returning), 8th in yards/attempt(5 of 7 not returning), 7th in passing TDs(4 of 6 not returning), 4th fewest Ints among starters(Cook not returning, Arnold transferred to Auburn and had more attempts than the three with fewer Ints), tied with Carson Beck for 7th in QBR(only Sellers and Lagway returning). Also, Nico finished ahead of Pavia in wins, passing yards, completion %, yds per attempt, and QBR.
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Well Pavia also ran for like 800 yards, that counts for quite a bit.

But let me ask you, where do you think Nico’s SEC stats ranked among other SEC QBs?
 
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Volsloco said:
How is it that Napier and Freeze, despite being on the hot seat, are able out-recruit us, yet we made the playoffs? I keep seeing discussions here stating that we need don’t have money to recruit the same; if that’s the case, how does Caldwell and Vitello manage to bring in top-ranked recruiting classes if we don’t have sufficient funding? To make matters worse, Vitello achieved this at a bottom feeder baseball program before he arrived.
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Vitello might be the best coach in college sports right now. We probably spread funds around more than any other school, but I also wonder about how Heupel prioritizes funding and if it’s the best way to go about it. I guess we are still in the early stages of that really so time will tell, but it just doesn’t seem like we are getting the cream of the crop in either the portal or the high school ranks, with only a few exceptions.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Well Pavia also ran for like 800 yards, that counts for quite a bit.

But let me ask you, where do you think Nico’s SEC stats ranked among other SEC QBs?
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I would say he was on the lower end of the top half of the conference last season, probably around 6th or 7th. I would put him behind Dart, Nussmeier, Beck, and Ewers and in a grouping with Milroe and Cook. He was better than everyone else. While he didn't live up to what we all hoped he would be last year, considering he was a first year starter, he performed relatively well compared to a lot of other more experienced guys.
 
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Some of these arguments are so poorly thought out it’s embarrassing to other Vol fans.
Using logic and common sense think this through please. How can one whine and cry that we have a 8-4 roster with no talent in one sentence and put a world of expectations on Nico in the next?
The team sucks wee buy bargain basement talent but Nico’supposed to lead us to the playoffs (again)? If he doesnt he underachieved but he has no talent to play with. Thats your argument. It’s Alabama fan mentality level embarrassing to the rest of us. Give it up.
 
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deatojl said:
I would say he was on the lower end of the top half of the conference last season, probably around 6th or 7th. I would put him behind Dart, Nussmeier, Beck, and Ewers and in a grouping with Milroe and Cook. He was better than everyone else. While he didn't live up to what we all hoped he would be last year, considering he was a first year starter, he performed relatively well compared to a lot of other more experienced guys.
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In SEC games, he was 9th or worse in pretty much every stat but interceptions thrown
 
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What about wins? Does that count? He had more than even the almighty Peyton his fist year starting. And you are clearly insisting he has much much less talent around him ? See the glaring fallacy yet? I
 
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ochocinco said:
Some of these arguments are so poorly thought out it’s embarrassing to other Vol fans.
Using logic and common sense think this through please. How can one whine and cry that we have a 8-4 roster with no talent in one sentence and put a world of expectations on Nico in the next?
The team sucks wee buy bargain basement talent but Nico’supposed to lead us to the playoffs (again)? If he doesnt he underachieved but he has no talent to play with. Thats your argument. It’s Alabama fan mentality level embarrassing to the rest of us. Give it up.
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Great quarterbacks elevate their teams. An 8-4 roster with a great quarterback could compete for championships. Cam Newton took an offense that didn’t have a single other player take a single snap in a NFL game to an undefeated season, for instance. If Nico is anything less than a great quarterback, he is a disappointment based on the hype and the money invested in him. Last year, he looked like a massive disappointment.

He went a whole calendar month without leading the offense to a single point in the first half. We hadn’t done that even in back to back games in over 60 years. Not with Crompton, Sterling Hinton, JG, Milton, Rick Clausen, AJ Suggs, Steve Alatorre, nobody. Honestly, in your heart of hearts, do you really believe that was just everyone else’s fault? Do you really believe a quarterback who had greatness in him would ever do that? You can blame it on being a freshman, but he was the most experienced “freshman” QB we have ever had, so much so that not long ago, he would have been a sophomore. You can blame the OL, but they paved the way for the all time single season rushing leader and were 6th in fewest sacks allowed in SEC play. You can blame the receivers, but 3 of the top 4 looked much better with other quarterbacks. You can blame the OC, but he has the guy who orchestrated the best offense in school history guiding his hand.
 
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ochocinco said:
What about wins? Does that count? He had more than even the almighty Peyton his fist year starting. And you are clearly insisting he has much much less talent around him ? See the glaring fallacy yet? I
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He was an early enrollee who got to go through bowl practice as a starter and started a bowl game. Comparing him to true freshman Peyton Manning who showed up for fall camp, was supposed to redshirt, and was prepared accordingly until Colquitt went down, is incredibly ignorant or disingenuous. If you were a Raiders fan, would you have said, “well Jamarcus didn’t throw as many interceptions as Peyton Manning did in his rookie year, so I think he is doing fine?”

He has less talent around him THIS year. Last year he had a Joe Moore finalist O line that lost 4 starters, the all time single season rushing leader at UT, a couple of proven receivers and another guy who has Moss measurables, and a good defense anchored by a great defensive line that lost its best players and an All American corner who tore his ACL after the season. They are mostly going to be replaced by JAGs and guys who have never played.
 
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You praise the RB,OL and WR but scream that we are shipping at K-Mart. That’s my point. Comparing NFL to college is irrelevant. Cam had a team full of umm NFL players.We have Big Lots,right?
 
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MarcoVol said:
Happens in steps. Not my fault you’re trying to skip them. Once you realize it’s a process then perhaps you’ll enjoy the climb.
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Sure, but the results you get are direct reflection of the effort you put in.
 
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The doom and gloomers need to just stop. Nico has one season as starter. He didn't light the world on fire, nor did he lay eggs every week. There are, and should be, high expectations for Nico and for the team as a whole. I think with G Mac and Brandon getting here, Nico will feel some pressure to step up knowing his job may not be safe any more.
 
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Vol865 said:
Went 10-2 this year and got demolished in the CFP by a team willing to devote the money to football. I'm glad that's good enough for you.
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Volsloco said:
How is it that Napier and Freeze, despite being on the hot seat, are able out-recruit us, yet we made the playoffs? I keep seeing discussions here stating that we need don’t have money to recruit the same; if that’s the case, how does Caldwell and Vitello manage to bring in top-ranked recruiting classes if we don’t have sufficient funding? To make matters worse, Vitello achieved this at a bottom feeder baseball program before he arrived.
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It seems to me and I’ve thought this since Bama got beat by Vandy, our schedule with the exception of Georgia, was taylor made for a playoff run! Now, the Arkansas defeat definitely was a head scratcher for sure but last year’s schedule had “easy” wrote all over it.
 
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ochocinco said:
You praise the RB,OL and WR but scream that we are shipping at K-Mart. That’s my point. Comparing NFL to college is irrelevant. Cam had a team full of umm NFL players.We have Big Lots,right?
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Cam didn’t have a team of NFL players. He elevated a bunch of nobodies into national champs because he was a true superstar. He was the only player on the offense who ever took a snap in the NFL.

We lost a lot off that team from last year. We brought in one transfer guy who looks like a stud. If we are lucky, 3 freshmen will contribute in a big way. With the amount of production leaving and lack of big time replacements, Nico is going to have a lot more on his plate this year. Last year he couldn’t even stomach an appetizer most weeks, so do you really believe deep down that he’s gonna be able to clean his plate? Especially when practice reports sound like he still isn’t hitting water from a boat?
 
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#1fulmerite said:
It seems to me and I’ve thought this since Bama got beat by Vandy, our schedule with the exception of Georgia, was taylor made for a playoff run! Now, the Arkansas defeat definitely was a head scratcher for sure but last year’s schedule had “easy” wrote all over it.
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Easiest schedule we have had since the 70s, if not longer.
 
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In 2024 Tennessee played the 1,5,16 from the week 1 AP poll.

In 1998 Tennessee played the 3,17,19 from the week 1 preseason poll.

That’s just the first year I chose. At least a dozen of Fulmers teams had an easier schedule than last year. And every one of Majors. This isn’t the same SEC as before. Now I know just trolling. You got me.
 
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ochocinco said:
In 2024 Tennessee played the 1,5,16 from the week 1 AP poll.

In 1998 Tennessee played the 3,17,19 from the week 1 preseason poll.

That’s just the first year I chose. At least a dozen of Fulmers teams had an easier schedule than last year. And every one of Majors. This isn’t the same SEC as before. Now I know just trolling. You got me.
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Surely you don’t think the week 1 poll is more important than the final poll? Are you really trying to say Oklahoma was better than a Donovan McNabb-led team that won at Michigan and played in a BCS game?

We won 10 games this year and only beat one team that did better than 7-5 in the regular season, that one team being the worst Bama team in nearly 20 years. The 98 team played 3 BCS teams, an Arkansas team that was undefeated in November, played in the SEC Championship game, played a top 15 Georgia team. The 2024 schedule wasn’t even close to that. Using week 1 polls is a horrible way to prove a dumb point. Jeremy Pruitt’s last team had the longest winning streak in the country early in his third season, would you argue that was a championship caliber team?

We had one of the easiest schedules in the SEC. Don’t give me this “the SEC wasn’t as strong then.” We played 6 of the 7 worst teams in the league last year. In 1998 we played every good team in the league and played a very good team out of conference in the first game of the year at their place. We played the top 2 picks of the following year’s draft.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
We have an 8-4 level roster in football right now. We went out and got one proven guy in the portal at maybe the cheapest position. We are losing almost all of our difference makers from last year to the draft and graduation, and one of the very few we are returning, Jermod McCoy, tore up his knee. Every unit on the team looks like it has regressed from last year on paper, aside from quarterback where we return a bottom half of the conference starter there. So there should be some money somewhere, either that or Spyre is doing a horrible job of raising funds.
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Bottom half qb? Ur crazy sir. He had a heck of a year for a freshman season. Way better than Peytons
 
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