Fmr Vol Comments on Player Development

[MiramarVol]

Player development (or lack thereof) heart of problem for Butch Jones


For the record, this former player should know what he’s talking about. He won a national title at Tennessee as one of the better players and currently is a coach himself. He wasn’t angry; he was simply apathetic. He was beyond the point of caring about Jones or believing he actually can turn things around. Simply put, Jones is lacking a fundamental skill that will not allow a coach to succeed.


Who do you think this was? Tee?

 

[JettVol]

Could be anyone with a set of eyes and half a brain. The guys we get are good, and as they stay at Tennessee the don't get much better or get worse. The only guys I can think of that go against this thought are Dobbs, (he did get better as a passer, Kamara, though underutilized, and Barnett).

 

[ChiefTKE]

Knowing Hooker’s connections my first guess would be Riley (OL)

 

[SC Vol Fan]

Surprised that there have been no comments from former Vols players who played under Jones, either positive or negative. Would think their perspective would be the most relevant.

 

[vol445]

Yeah riley

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Jones protects his players and babies them. It's obvious. It just wasn't obvious to me until this year, but it's so easy to see now. He babies these kids. When he says "my job is to protect these kids, they are like my own kids" He means it, and that is what's happening.

 

[orangeluvr]

Player development (or lack thereof) heart of problem for Butch Jones


For the record, this former player should know what he’s talking about. He won a national title at Tennessee as one of the better players and currently is a coach himself. He wasn’t angry; he was simply apathetic. He was beyond the point of caring about Jones or believing he actually can turn things around. Simply put, Jones is lacking a fundamental skill that will not allow a coach to succeed.


Who do you think this was? Tee?

Arrested development.

 

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It’s simply amazing that Butch can still recruit at a high level given the obvious lack of player development. You would think a 18 year old with NFL dreams would see that.

 

[Hacksaw]

This makes no sense to me. Jones is not solely responsible for player development. He has a whole staff of assistant coaches and trainers whose job it is to help players develop. ALL of them are incompetent? How can that be?

I agree that on the surface it looks like the players aren't getting better. But Butch not being able to develop players is a little too convenient for the Fire Butch crowd. Something tells me it's more complicated than that.

 

[90 Vol]

It’s simply amazing that Butch can still recruit at a high level given the obvious lack of player development. You would think a 18 year old with NFL dreams would see that.

Based on the kids that have "opened" their recruitment and flat out decommitted so far, I think the picture is starting to get crystal clear.

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

Surprised that there have been no comments from former Vols players who played under Jones, either positive or negative. Would think their perspective would be the most relevant.

Finebaum had alvin Kamara on a couple of weeks ago. I believe it was after the georgia game.

Knowing Finebaum you can imagine he attempted to get Alvin to weigh in on Jones and his struggles.

Alvin, being mature and pretty classy wouldnt take the bait. All he did was keep smiling and repeating, "Jones is a players coach, you know. He took care of players, he's a players coach."

 

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Based on the kids that have "opened" their recruitment and flat out decommitted so far, I think the picture is starting to get crystal clear.

Ferguson looks like the best QB we’ve signed in a decade.

 

[SmokeyLives]

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[DaUndergroundMan]

Jones protects his players and babies them. It's obvious. It just wasn't obvious to me until this year, but it's so easy to see now. He babies these kids. When he says "my job is to protect these kids, they are like my own kids" He means it, and that is what's happening.

See the comment above by Kamara, it lines up perfectly with what you are saying.

 

[Backwards K]

The photo comparing former Vols to today's Vols speaks volumes. With the exception of Trey Smith, the Vols' OL just looks like a collection of fat, unathletic guys. The bad thing, all of these guys have experience but they look like they are weaker, slower, and much worse than they were when they got here. That's where most of the problems begin with this year's offense.

But, when you promote a grad asst to be your OL coach, what do you expect?

 

[SC Vol Fan]

Finebaum had alvin Kamara on a couple of weeks ago. I believe it was after the georgia game.

Knowing Finebaum you can imagine he attempted to get Alvin to weigh in on Jones and his struggles.

Alvin, being mature and pretty classy wouldnt take the bait. All he did was keep smiling and repeating, "Jones is a players coach, you know. He took care of players, he's a players coach."

Thanks, I missed that. Always did like Alvin....never seemed to be discontented with his playing time and usage.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

See the comment above by Kamara, it lines up perfectly with what you are saying.

Yeah I know buddy. This is HOW he recruits at a high level. he is babying and protecting these kids. The mommas LOVE him for it. He is simply not as hard on these young men as other schools would be. He is the coaching equivalent of an over protective parent.

 

[Nationdom]

It’s simply amazing that Butch can still recruit at a high level given the obvious lack of player development. You would think a 18 year old with NFL dreams would see that.

Tennessee recruits at a high level, Butch jones is not a master

 

[wesleydmartin]

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they oiled up like a bunch of WWE wrestlers lol hard to take them serious in that picture


but yes it is sad to see the difference

 

[Grudenator]

 

[rgvol]

Player development (or lack thereof) heart of problem for Butch Jones


For the record, this former player should know what he’s talking about. He won a national title at Tennessee as one of the better players and currently is a coach himself. He wasn’t angry; he was simply apathetic. He was beyond the point of caring about Jones or believing he actually can turn things around. Simply put, Jones is lacking a fundamental skill that will not allow a coach to succeed.


Who do you think this was? Tee?

Exactly what I was thinking

 

[VolAmerican]

Jones protects his players and babies them. It's obvious. It just wasn't obvious to me until this year, but it's so easy to see now. He babies these kids. When he says "my job is to protect these kids, they are like my own kids" He means it, and that is what's happening.

I'm certainly not on the inside, but regardless of how he treats these players, I would think some of the current players would see a problem with with their production numbers. Specifically Tyler Byrd who has 3 catches on the year or John Kelly who had 1 yard rushing in the second half against S Carolina.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Player development (or lack thereof) heart of problem for Butch Jones


For the record, this former player should know what he’s talking about. He won a national title at Tennessee as one of the better players and currently is a coach himself. He wasn’t angry; he was simply apathetic. He was beyond the point of caring about Jones or believing he actually can turn things around. Simply put, Jones is lacking a fundamental skill that will not allow a coach to succeed.


Who do you think this was? Tee?

It was very eloquently stated, so I'm gonna go with Jalen Hurd's Step-Dad!

 

[RollerVol]

now who could it be...how about anybody watching UT football for the last five years...

GO VOLS!

 

[jbr82]

Could be anyone with a set of eyes and half a brain. The guys we get are good, and as they stay at Tennessee the don't get much better or get worse. The only guys I can think of that go against this thought are Dobbs, (he did get better as a passer, Kamara, though underutilized, and Barnett).

Yes and Malone finally got better in Jr yr. And an unheard of # of injuries. Something isn't right