Florida streak (split)

[KBVol]

Alabama plays 12 regular season games each year. They go into each game with typically a large talent advantage. They typically lose only one game a year (and usually in a flukey way...remember all those turnovers against Ole Miss). 11-1 is a typical Alabama regular season.

So we've lost to Florida 11 straight games. Most have been blowouts. And a few have been close and could have gone either way. If you think of our 11 year streak as an Alabama season then it isn't that surprising we've lost that many games to Florida.

Usually it takes luck and many shots to beat a more talented team. Against Alabama the less talented team succeeds typically 1 out of every 12 times. I don't know why 0 of 11 shocks you?

Most of our losses to Florida have NOT been blowouts.....they've beaten us by about as many ways as is humanly possible. Do a little research. Here, I did it for you....

Average margin in victory for Florida in their last 24 wins over Tennessee is about 12 points.

-13 of their wins have been by 10 points or less

-only 7 of the 24 were by 14 or more points.

-And I count only 4 true "blowouts", by 21 points or more.


Do a little homework before you make your customary "absolute statements" that are typically incorrect.

 

[KBVol]

You disregarded the entirety of KB's post.

He usually does.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Most of South Carolina's wins came when they were a top 25 team. Mizzou's 2 wins came when they won the East and kicked everyone else's butts in the conference as well. Vandy and Georgia Southern are the flukes.

There has been a time in the last decade where we've been good and Florida bad. Usually when Florida has sucked we've sucked as well.

Its kinda hard to expect a W when you also suck.

So by your earlier logic, we should have won those games.

And I recall beating a top 25 South carolina team in that timespan.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I don't know why it's so hard for yall to accept the fact this program has been hot pile of horse manure the last 10 years. We've only climbed out of the abyss last year.

You can put me on the record right now. If we lose to Florida again this year (short of a myriad of catatrophic injuries to our star players) I'll join you in this belief that supernatural forces are keeping Tennessee from beating Florida.

If we win however I don't wanna hear any of this crap again. You deserve what you get. Nothing has kept Tennessee from winning other than lack of talent. PERIOD.

 

[KBVol]

Actually I'm more confident we beat Florida this year than Georgia. Georgia has more talent and is on the road.

I don't think the Florida game will even be close.

Supernatural forces be damned.

Your lack of Tennessee fandom is biting you in the arse again. But, go ahead, it's certainly nothing new.

"Supernatural forces"....lol. It's called human nature.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Most of our losses to Florida have NOT been blowouts.....they've beaten us by about as many ways as is humanly possible. Do a little research. Here, I did it for you....

Average margin in victory for Florida in their last 24 wins over Tennessee is about 12 points.

-13 of their wins have been by 10 points or less

-only 7 of the 24 were by 14 or more points.

-And I count only 4 true "blowouts", by 21 points or more.


Do a little homework before you make your customary "absolute statements" that are typically incorrect.

I don't really know or care about the ancient past. All I know is when I started following Tennessee football we traded wins and losses with Florida in the early 2000s when both programs were good. Then we became garbage they got Urban Meyer and proceeded to destroy us. Then we got even worse and everyone started beating is including down Florida teams.

You can go back to 1976. I'll just focus on the games and teams I watched play.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

I don't know why it's so hard for yall to accept the fact this program has been hot pile of horse manure the last 10 years. We've only climbed out of the abyss last year.

You can put me on the record right now. If we lose to Florida again this year (short of a myriad of catatrophic injuries to our star players) I'll join you in this belief that supernatural forces are keeping Tennessee from beating Florida.

If we win however I don't wanna hear any of this crap again. You deserve what you get. Nothing has kept Tennessee from winning other than lack of talent. PERIOD.

Wrong again. Did you not read KB's post? Florida has owned us for 30 years to the tune of a 6-24 record. I recall we had one of the best teams in the country during the 90's, 4 of those being with arguably the greatest college QB of all time in Peyton Manning, when HE still couldn't beat the gators. So for once, do some research, read a history book, and accept the fact that, mentally, UT has a hard time beating florida. There just isn't any other logical explanation.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You disregarded the entirety of KB's post.

No need to respond. If the last 11 years are irrelevant to the game this year, 20 something years don't matter either.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

I don't really know or care about the ancient past. All I know is when I started following Tennessee football we traded wins and losses with Florida in the early 2000s when both programs were good. Then we became garbage they got Urban Meyer and proceeded to destroy us. Then we got even worse and everyone started beating is including down Florida teams.

You can go back to 1976. I'll just focus on the games and teams I watched play.

You're a self-admited fair-weather fan, the lowliest of low. Go post on another team's website when we have another down year (not saying we will this year). I'll still be here supporting the Vols.

 

[McDad]

I remain steadfast in my assertion that if we play UF after midpoint of season rather than in first quarter of season, we are closer to 500 with them over last 30 years.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

No need to respond. If the last 11 years are irrelevant to the game this year, 20 something years don't matter either.

I bet if you asked the players if the last 11 years mattered they'd say yes. Obviously Jim Mcelwain thinks so.

 

[jakez4ut]

also, go down the line...when there's a streak against FL, we hear about it from the coaches....Muschamp two years ago "sure hate to disappoint all these people" with a huge grin on his face....only to be fired at the end of the season.

Spurrier was never shy about getting his jabs in, and it was due to the streaks they were on.

long story short, logically, the outcomes of the games in the past have no bearing on the actual outcome of next year's game.

but to ignore it and dismiss it all together is naive. it does have an affect. and it has defined these two programs seasons, for the most part, over the 25 years, because it's played so early.

i have said a multitude of times....if we want to be that nationally relevant PROGRAM year in and year out, we're going to have to come out of September undefeated more than 5 times in 25 tries. period.

 

[Iam4utalways]

It all matters to a certain degree. A coach can circle a date, post something on a bulletin board, or something of that nature and that should help a player and a coach to put in the time and effort to prepare for a particular game. Once that date roles around that circle or quote won't matter if the months leading up to it haven't been used properly to prepare.

If a player is sitting on the couch eating a bag of chips rather that hitting the weight room, practice field, or film room we could get tagged with a loss.

If a coach is going to try to protect a lead and run clock rather than put on more steam and get more points, we could get tagged with a loss.

If a defense is going to sit back rather than attack at all points, we could be tagged with a loss.

I expect our players will use the time they have to prepare for the season ahead, and with the talent that is on this team I expect special things.

As for the coaching, I expect our coaches to prepare our players and then turn them loose in a way that every Vol fan across the earth will enjoy the results of all the games that we play this year.

"It all matters."

Jump higher Vols.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He usually does.

If you want me to respond them it's very simple.

What do you think happened around 1976 that changed the dynamics of the Tennessee/Florida series from say the previous 100 years?

Before the early 70s, the SEC was an overwhelmingly white conference. All the players were white. Little by little, however, black folks started making up more and more of the player pool. Its no surprise schools like Florida, Florida State, and Miami all took off around this time. Before the 80s, the Florida schools were not special. Since then they've owned college football. The state of Florida has a larger population of African Americans than any other state in the union except New York and Georgia (which are only slightly ahead of Florida).

Tennessee in contrast has only 1/3 the African American population of Florida and thus a smaller player pool.

We sustained better success against Georgia (eventhough Georgia has such a large African Americans population) because for most of the last 40 years because we (along with the other SEC powers) have raided the state of Georgia of many of it's best black players. If Georgia ever locked down the state, no one would ever beat them. This is the reason Saban says it's the best job.

 

[Volgrad98]

You're a self-admited fair-weather fan, the lowliest of low. Go post on another team's website when we have another down year (not saying we will this year). I'll still be here supporting the Vols.

 

[Hacksaw]

It's the difference between knowing you can win and knowing you will win.

It's the difference between knowing the breaks can go your way and expecting them to.

It matters. I wish it didn't, but it does. Butch said as much when he took over as our head coach. The team had to learn how to win again. Part of that is believing that you will win. The OP makes some good points, but the mental aspect is real and we need to get over that before we can win and start a winning streak of our own.

 

[82_VOL_83]

He usually does.

Didn't really expect anything different.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Wrong again. Did you not read KB's post? Florida has owned us for 30 years to the tune of a 6-24 record. I recall we had one of the best teams in the country during the 90's, 4 of those being with arguably the greatest college QB of all time in Peyton Manning, when HE still couldn't beat the gators. So for once, do some research, read a history book, and accept the fact that, mentally, UT has a hard time beating florida. There just isn't any other logical explanation.

I also recall Florida being one of the best teams in the country. Its not like we kept losing to an inferior opponent.

And on Peyton. Maybe he was the problem? Whether we like to admit it or not Peyton's NFL teams lost a lot of home playoff games at come coming off a bye. Before being carried by his defense last year, he was 1-2 in the super bowl.

Peyton isn't exactly a model of big game dominance.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

If you want me to respond them it's very simple.

What do you think happened around 1976 that changed the dynamics of the Tennessee/Florida series from say the previous 100 years?

Before the early 70s, the SEC was an overwhelmingly white conference. All the players were white. Little by little, however, black folks started making up more and more of the player pool. Its no surprise schools like Florida, Florida State, and Miami all took off around this time. Before the 80s, the Florida schools were not special. Since then they've owned college football. The state of Florida has a larger population of African Americans than any other state in the union except New York and Georgia (which are only slightly ahead of Florida).

Tennessee in contrast has only 1/3 the African American population of Florida and thus a smaller player pool.

We sustained better success against Georgia (eventhough Georgia has such a large African Americans population) because for most of the last 40 years because we (along with the other SEC powers) have raided the state of Georgia of many of it's best black players. If Georgia ever locked down the state, no one would ever beat them. This is the reason Saban says it's the best job.

You absolutely cannot be serious.

So black players from Florida and Alabama are better than black players from Georgia and Tennessee? I don't quite get your argument...

 

[jakez4ut]

It's the difference between knowing you can win and knowing you will win.

It's the difference between knowing the breaks can go your way and expecting them to.

It matters. I wish it didn't, but it does. Butch said as much when he took over as our head coach. The team had to learn how to win again. Part of that is believing that you will win. The OP makes some good points, but the mental aspect is real and we need to get over that before we can win and start a winning streak of our own.

:thumbsup:agreed, and i think that sums up the difference in the two programs over the last 25 years. we were saying it when i was in school back in the 90's, and we're still saying it today.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I remain steadfast in my assertion that if we play UF after midpoint of season rather than in first quarter of season, we are closer to 500 with them over last 30 years.

Wouldn't make a difference. If you suck to start the year you'll suck in the middle.

 

[volmanbill]

Wouldn't make a difference. If you suck to start the year you'll suck in the middle.

Asinine, ignorant comment.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

I also recall Florida being one of the best teams in the country. Its not like we kept losing to an inferior opponent.

And on Peyton. Maybe he was the problem? Whether we like to admit it or not Peyton's NFL teams lost a lot of home playoff games at come coming off a bye. Before being carried by his defense last year, he was 1-2 in the super bowl.

Peyton isn't exactly a model of big game dominance.

So if talent was equal, why didn't we go 2-2 in those 4 years? It wasn't just Peyton, the whole team was loaded with studs.

 

[Dragon18]

These types of discussions really have no endpoint. Streaks matter only to the fans. It will have little to no bearing on this years outcome on the field (minus a bit of motivation to end or further the streak but that goes away after the first series of downs). The reality is that the outcomes from games played up to 2014 will not even enter the minds of team 120. This fanbase is just totally obsessed with Florida to an unhealthy level. They are a rival and we absolutely want to beat them and it is important to beat them to achieve the real goal which is to win the East and win the Conference Championship.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

also, go down the line...when there's a streak against FL, we hear about it from the coaches....Muschamp two years ago "sure hate to disappoint all these people" with a huge grin on his face....only to be fired at the end of the season.

Spurrier was never shy about getting his jabs in, and it was due to the streaks they were on.

long story short, logically, the outcomes of the games in the past have no bearing on the actual outcome of next year's game.

but to ignore it and dismiss it all together is naive. it does have an affect. and it has defined these two programs seasons, for the most part, over the 25 years, because it's played so early.

i have said a multitude of times....if we want to be that nationally relevant PROGRAM year in and year out, we're going to have to come out of September undefeated more than 5 times in 25 tries. period.

I agree. I'm just telling yall this program hasn't deserved to be nationally relevant and people are getting mad.

You can't just hope to beat an opponent like Vandy does. If you wanna beat Florida, out recruit them and develop better pro players. When we do that we'll beat them.

Till then you guys will be making excuses about players getting psyched out.