Florida should be worried

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BigPapaVol said:
But I'm not talking about UT. All the hype about UF is of a national title picture nature. There are significant issues on D and they don't go away overnight or in a single half.
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We all know the Gators aren't winning, nor going to the national championship game.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Offense is still looking for an identity. Demps is our only home run threat. Receivers are a work in progress. O-line looked much better.

Defense is looking better than the offense, but BPV thinks it sucks. Linebackers are the weak link due to inexperience. Secondary looks very good, but according to BPV they're overrated due to the level of competition. Nevermind our best CB and S started in the BCS title game a couple years ago, playing cupcakes cancels that out.

Special teams is a mixed bag. Our kicked is injured and inconsistent. Our punter is getting way too much work. Return game is very good. Not Brandon James good, but perhaps Jack Jackson or Keiwan Ratliff good.
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Really? Starting a BCS title game, as the weak link, tells us about their greatness? That's sensible.

Tee Martin started at QB on our title team. If hecwas gettig the hype your guys are, I'd laugh at it.
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Bumi said:
We all know the Gators aren't winning, nor going to the national championship game.
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But that's the goal. That's the context I'm talking about. If you're talking about winning the East, I'm out.
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Lawrence Wright said:
Offense is still looking for an identity. Demps is our only home run threat. Receivers are a work in progress. O-line looked much better.

Defense is looking better than the offense, but BPV thinks it sucks. Linebackers are the weak link due to inexperience in the middle. Secondary looks very good, but according to BPV they're overrated due to the level of competition they've played so far. Nevermind our best CB and S started in the BCS title game a couple years ago, playing cupcakes cancels that out.

Special teams is a mixed bag. Our kicker is injured and inconsistent. Our punter is getting way too much work. Return game is very good. Not Brandon James good, but perhaps Jack Jackson or Keiwan Ratliff good.
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While the offense is still looking for an identity, Demp's is not our only home run threat. Chris Rainey, Gillislee, Debose, and even DT when he decides to catch the ball, are plenty explosive enough to get it done.

I agree with everything else.

LB's are un an unknown.

DLine is young but extremely talented.

Special teams is suspect.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
Just because we got hammered by Oregon does not mean we will get hammered or even beat by Florida. Florida only wishes they had half the offense Oregon does. We had the game plan to stop Oregon. We had good enough players and our coaches had the right plan. We got tired because of their high tempo offense and our lack of depth. We just didn't have the players to roll in and out and stay fresh. We played with them for a half, until we got tired. Florida's offense is not high tempo and it's not complicated. Not sure whether we will beat Florida or not, but the Gator posters on this board that thinks they will destroy us just because Oregon did are mistaken.
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Agree with the first part. Might want to rethink the second part.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Oh, so you're trying a new tack of implying that it was intentional. Now that is legit funny.

And, maybe. Can you name anyone from that line?
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Not without looking it up.

BigPapaVol said:
But I'm not talking about UT. All the hype about UF is of a national title picture nature. There are significant issues on D and they don't go away overnight or in a single half.
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I don't think I've ever said that this Gator team is of that caliber. I think the current ranking -- # 8 -- is much closer to correct than where we started -- at #4. I've said on every occassion that I think we lose to Alabama twice.

Which means we win the East.

And I still think that is likely.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Really? Starting a BCS title game, as the weak link, tells us about their greatness? That's sensible.

Tee Martin started at QB on our title team. If hecwas gettig the hype your guys are, I'd laugh at it.
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The weak link? They limited Sam Bradford and the highest scoring offense of all time to 14 points, and forced Bradford to throw 2 picks. He was held to 250 passing yards, one of his lowest totals of that season.
 
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Bumi said:
Our secondary, with 3 veterans, is our strength. I very much doubt we'll be abused in the passing game.

I do think Bama will abuse us in the trenches, and will likely gash us for at least a 150 yards rushing, but outside of the Tide? I don't see it. Maybe SC, but Lattimore is every bit as young as our Dline.

Ahmad Black, a safety, is leading the team in tackles.
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Safeties leading the team in tackles is an absolute disaster, especially when the competition can't pass. Eventually, those safeties will have to help cover someone on other than obvious passing plays or center field style plays.

Again, my comments are relative to the hype and the best teams in the country type conversation. Top 5 squads should be talking about more than the SECe.
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think I've ever said that this Gator team is of that caliber. I think the current ranking -- # 8 -- is much closer to correct than where we started -- at #4. I've said on every occassion that I think we lose to Alabama twice.

Which means we win the East.

And I still think that is likely.
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IMO, Florida should be between 20 - 25, no higher. They haven't lost, but they haven't looked good, and they have yet to play a good team.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Yeah, I'm not sure where that came from.
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They opened up rated 4th and dropped to 5th. I'm suppose to know that you guys are aspiring to the SEC title game. Awesome. Y'all should look into Fulmer when you hire your new OC.
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Bumi said:
The weak link? They limited Sam Bradford and the highest scoring offense of all time to 14 points, and forced Bradford to throw 2 picks. He was held to 250 passing yards, one of his lowest totals of that season.
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Good Lord. The best player on that team is gone and the DLine was absolutely the difference. Same with OSU. DLine was simply too good and too fast for those teams. This year's team doesn't have that.
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BigPapaVol said:
They opened up rated 4th and dropped to 5th. I'm suppose to know that you guys are aspiring to the SEC title game. Awesome. Y'all should look into Fulmer when you hire your new OC.
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We expect Bama to be the SEC favorite, and based on their #1 ranking the pollsters agree.
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BigPapaVol said:
Safeties leading the team in tackles is an absolute disaster, especially when the competition can't pass. Eventually, those safeties will have to help cover someone on other than obvious passing plays or center field style plays.

Again, my comments are relative to the hype and the best teams in the country type conversation. Top 5 squads should be talking about more than the SECe.
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Or maybe that Safety's just extremely talented? If my memory serves me right, didn't Bob Sanders lead the Colts in tackles the season they won the Super Bowl?

I'm not too worried about Ahmad Black, Will Hill, and Janoris Jenkins having to cover anyone. As I said, they've all proven their worth, been starters for at least three seasons, and all played in big time games.

The only team in the nation that I'm positive would beat Florida is Bama. Texas is in no better position than we are, I'm not sure how good Oklahoma is, Boise would get throttled, Ohio State is always overrated, and Oregon would get killed in the trenches.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
IMO, Florida should be between 20 - 25, no higher. They haven't lost, but they haven't looked good, and they have yet to play a good team.
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I wasn't clear. Was referring to where I think they end up, which is probably right around 10th after winning Capital One Bowl.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
We expect Bama to be the SEC favorite, and based on their #1 ranking the pollsters agree.
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So? They didn't care when you started one last year. Either you're a player for that game or you're not. Im hearing a bunch of rationalizing saying you're not. Fine.
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VolsFanRJ said:
IMO, Florida should be between 20 - 25, no higher. They haven't lost, but they haven't looked good, and they have yet to play a good team.
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according to a lot of people here, we don't play any good teams.

well, people will call alabama a tough game.

but, fsu, sc, georgia, lsu, etc, etc, etc. they all suck when they are on our schedule.

if they are on someone else's schedule, they are a quality opponent.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Good Lord. The best player on that team is gone and the DLine was absolutely the difference. Same with OSU. DLine was simply too good and too fast for those teams. This year's team doesn't have that.
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What exactly does any of that do with our secondary supposedly being the weak link, which wasn't the case?

Nobodies arguing that our line backers or Dline are as good or better than pervious seasons(Our DT's are better, DE's are a healthy step below what we had), I'm simply pointing out that are secondary is very good, and has been good for 3 straight seasons. They weren't a liability.
 
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99gator said:
according to a lot of people here, we don't play any good teams.

well, people will call alabama a tough game.

but, fsu, sc, georgia, lsu, etc, etc, etc. they all suck when they are on our schedule.

if they are on someone else's schedule, they are a quality opponent.
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Senseless. People make fun of your OOC schedule, and rightfully so. Nobody is making light of your conference schedule.
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BigPapaVol said:
Good Lord. The best player on that team is gone and the DLine was absolutely the difference. Same with OSU. DLine was simply too good and too fast for those teams. This year's team doesn't have that.
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Tebow is definitely gone but you do realize we still have 3 of the 4 defensive linemen who started the 2008 BCS Championship game?

it amazes that people forget how young the defense still was in 2008.
 
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