Florida DB killed

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#2
wow. sorry to hear that. motorcycle are fun but so dangerous. know lots of guys seriously hurt on them.
 
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#6
That sucks. I can't imagine the sorrow of losing a child. My prayers are with his family.
 
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#8
Florida law changed about 6 years ago to say that you don't have to wear a helmet when riding. Prior to that, they were required. The bikers would from time to time sue the state or local law enforcement over the mandatory motorcycle helmet law and I defended a couple.

I'll never forget one guy who sued a sheriff claiming that the motorcycel helmet laws violated his "Ninth Amendment right to have fun." I looked it up. It doesn't say that.

Unfortunately, the people behind repealing these requirements think only of themselves and not those who will be injured or killed. Often, when they get a bad head injury or survive, they can cost the taxpayers millions just lying in a nursing home for decades.
 
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#9
Isn't there a requirement to carry a certain amount of liability insurance in lieu of the helmet? Just another retarded florida low that isn't enforceable.
 
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I don't mean to express this at an inappropriate time, but I never will understand the appeal of riding a motorcycle on a street full of one ton vehicles.
 
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#15
It is tragic to see someone die so young. Condolences to his family and to the Gator Nation.
 
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Lexvol said:
I don't mean to express this at an inappropriate time, but I never will understand the appeal of riding a motorcycle on a street full of one ton vehicles.
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The irony is that, if you talk to ardent motorcycle enthusiasts, they will tell you that it is almost always not the motorcyclist making a mistake that causes an accident. Its the guy in the SUV who doesn't see them that is the one at fault.

As though that is going to be a whole lot of comfort when they scrape you off the fround: B ut it wasn't my fault!
 
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Really a shame, very sad. Case in point, though, this young man was probably an inexperienced rider, on a crotch rocket with far too much power.

I rode dirtbikes and 4 wheelers my entire life (well, from 8 or 9) and my first motorcycle at 18 was a CBR 600....small, but plenty fast. Moved up and up, my last crotch rocket was a ZX-10R, too fast. Then i hit the big light bulb, cruising down route 8 here in CT going about 145, that i was an absolute idiot.

Sold the rocket, got a HD Deuce, slowed down alot, well, enough to be reasonable. I'm willing to wager that this unfortunate young man had minimal experience riding, could keep his balance okay enough on a clear straightaway, and didn't bother to learn how to corner at speed. The things aren't toys, and every incident like this gets the helmet nazis going, i don't wear one on the HD, but due to the nature of Rockets, i always did.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Unfortunately, the people behind repealing these requirements think only of themselves and not those who will be injured or killed. Often, when they get a bad head injury or survive, they can cost the taxpayers millions just lying in a nursing home for decades.
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Law, your post is well intentioned, but the concept is intrusive to riders. They need to allow discretion to the person committing the act, and their knowledge.

Would a helmet have saved this young mans life? Perhaps.
But i'll also bet my bottom dollar that he was unfamiliar with motorcycles, and a general novice to riding, especially at speed.

Again, a sad story, and my prayers for him and his family, but if you're clanging pots in the kitchen at 6AM, you best be able to cook a damn good breakfast.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The irony is that, if you talk to ardent motorcycle enthusiasts, they will tell you that it is almost always not the motorcyclist making a mistake that causes an accident. Its the guy in the SUV who doesn't see them that is the one at fault.

As though that is going to be a whole lot of comfort when they scrape you off the fround: B ut it wasn't my fault!
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agreed. it's very very hard to see motorcycles sometimes, especially at night. i can't tell you how many times I've almost hit a motorcylce guy changing lanes on the freeway (though never have I felt it was my fault). I may be the idiot, but the idiot with the car will always win. sorry for the gator community's loss. sucks.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Law, your post is well intentioned, but the concept is intrusive to riders. They need to allow discretion to the person committing the act, and their knowledge.

Would a helmet have saved this young mans life? Perhaps.
But i'll also bet my bottom dollar that he was unfamiliar with motorcycles, and a general novice to riding, especially at speed.
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I wonder if the families of bikers that die in accidents where a helmet may have saved their life are upholding the concept of intrusion. Obviously allowing discretion to persons commiting the act is a mistake because they have no knowledge. If you're willing to bet your bottom dollar based on the familiararity of the rider with motorcycles you have no knowledge of tells me you aren't playing with a full deck logically. Any normal adult who prizes their right to endanger their own life by riding without a helmet on a motorcycle over obvious warnings otherwise causes me to wonder about their native intelligence. By the way, I bought a brand new Harley Davidson Super Glide in November 1974 and rode it until 1988. Never got onto it without a helmet on.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I wonder if the families of bikers that die in accidents where a helmet may have saved their life are upholding the concept of intrusion. Obviously allowing discretion to persons commiting the act is a mistake because they have no knowledge. If you're willing to bet your bottom dollar based on the familiararity of the rider with motorcycles you have no knowledge of tells me you aren't playing with a full deck logically. Any normal adult who prizes their right to endanger their own life by riding without a helmet on a motorcycle over obvious warnings otherwise causes me to wonder about their native intelligence. By the way, I bought a brand new Harley Davidson Super Glide in November 1974 and rode it until 1988. Never got onto it without a helmet on.
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Good for you, i have nothing against helmets. I just don't feel they should be mandated by the government, as it is not the laws job to protect me from myself. My passengers always have helmets, i occasionally do, but generally don't wear one on the Deuce. Its a concious decision, i'm not looking to be a smear on the asphalt, but so long as i check my mirrors, keep the speed reasonable, and keep as wide a space as possible between myself and cars, i am lowering the possibility of a dumper greatly.

I have no problem with being called stupid for wearing a ballcap rather than a helmet, but i don't feel that i should be forced to wear equipment where the only person in danger by my NOT wearing it is myself.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I just don't feel they should be mandated by the government, as it is not the laws job to protect me from myself.
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Just so long as you have insurance. I can't tell you how many motorcycle accidents I've seen working in shock trauma where the guy has no insurance at all. It can easily cost the public hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Having seen all of that firsthand, there's practically no way you're going to get me on a motorcycle. And if I was, I'd be wearing leather and a helmet. I've just seen too much... :no:

Drive safe, man. And God bless...
 
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