Florida breakdown

#26
#26
I wish it weren't true, but UT has a pretty long history (until the last few years when we stunk) of going into the florida game with high hopes--and they were usually dashed resoundingly by the gators. Fulmer never had the Vols ready for this game. We'll see what happens with Dooley. I don't really like our defense or running game enough to feel confident about this game against a florida team with a lot of talent--much of it, admittedly, still raw. We'll have to wing the ball extremely well again to win.
 
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I wish it weren't true, but UT has a pretty long history (until the last few years when we stunk) of going into the florida game with high hopes--and they were usually dashed resoundingly by the gators. Fulmer never had the Vols ready for this game. We'll see what happens with Dooley. I don't really like our defense or running game enough to feel confident about this game against a florida team with a lot of talent--much of it, admittedly, still raw. We'll have to wing the ball extremely well again to win.

True words, IMO.
 
#28
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I think everyone would do themselves a favor if they stopped comparing UF's opponents to UT's opponents. It's a meaningless exercise.

I can sit here and say, arguably, that Cinci looked like one of the poorest coached teams I've ever seen, and that went a long way towards making them 4-8 last year. Cinci has some talented skill players, but their lines are nothing close to Florida or Tennessee on either side of the ball.

Montana is a D2 team that has never beaten a D1 team in its history.

But does any of that matter? No not really.

Neither team has bee truly challenged. All that changes this week. Stop trying to compare apples and oranges in the meantime.
 
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#29
I wish now I had recorded their games because I did not have time to watch FL except their few highlights which were just that, few. I would be more worried if we didn't have Tyler and I don't know why but the kid is the ice man. He could show some horrible side in the swamp we've yet to see but he's in my eyes not one to fold. If all of UT's players show up and stick to the plan we win. Loser of this game is the one that cracks and screws up and never adjusts.
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I wish it weren't true, but UT has a pretty long history (until the last few years when we stunk) of going into the florida game with high hopes--and they were usually dashed resoundingly by the gators. Fulmer never had the Vols ready for this game. We'll see what happens with Dooley. I don't really like our defense or running game enough to feel confident about this game against a florida team with a lot of talent--much of it, admittedly, still raw. We'll have to wing the ball extremely well again to win.

Are you implying that Peyton wasn't ready?? Florida with Spurrier had a tough offense to stop then (95-97) as well. 99 was a tough loss. 00 was a debacle at the end but we played well. You should murder yourself if you think we were not 'ready to play' in 01. 02 was Fumblegate, with Fulmer being responsible for none. You can blame him for not getting the Qb mess of 05 figured out, but every other year was shot down by player mistakes. 06 we lost late by player error. 07 we had a chance to tie the game at 28 until Arian Fumble struck. The ensuing scoop and score blew it open. 08 is squarely in Phil's ample lap. But, it is a near certainty that Fulmer did not coach the team to commit blunders in the Florida game. Highly doubt it. It is also doubtful that the players did not understand it was a football game that they were on scholarship to play in. I am virtually sure they new it was a big game. They deserve equal blame. They did not have themselves ready. There.
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#31
UF is good, but I don't feel like they are good in areas that they need to be to slow down UT. Also for an example of a much more productive D-line not slowing down Bray, see South Carolina last year. Strong D-line+ suspect secondary = Bray chucking it around.

Didn't SCjr win that game? :good!:
 
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Didn't SCjr win that game? :good!:


Really? I'll assume you didn't watch the game or know anything about it. Quick review:

Matt Simms goofed up the entire first half with two fumbles and bad play and a total inability to get rid of the football and throw over the middle due to horribly inaccuracy.

Bray got the nod finally and after throwing a pic initially he proceeded to absolutely light up the USCe secondary including giving D. Moore a 200+ yard receiving game and throwing some jaw dropping passes and multiple touchdowns that gave people a reason to believe UT had a future star at QB. It was Bray's coming out party in all respects.

Yeah, they lost, but everyone seems to be of the opinion that had Bray played the whole game instead of coming in to play from behind, UT would have won, or at least had a very good chance to (they did until jeffery ran a TD in late).

Don't be so ignorant.
 
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Really? I'll assume you didn't watch the game or know anything about it. Quick review:

Matt Simms goofed up the entire first half with two fumbles and bad play and a total inability to get rid of the football and throw over the middle due to horribly inaccuracy.

Bray got the nod finally and after throwing a pic initially he proceeded to absolutely light up the USCe secondary including giving D. Moore a 200+ yard receiving game and throwing some jaw dropping passes and multiple touchdowns that gave people a reason to believe UT had a future star at QB. It was Bray's coming out party in all respects.

Yeah, they lost, but everyone seems to be of the opinion that had Bray played the whole game instead of coming in to play from behind, UT would have won, or at least had a very good chance to (they did until jeffery ran a TD in late).

Don't be so ignorant.
outside of the two fumbles Simms stat line was close or even with Bray.
 
#34
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outside of the two fumbles Simms stat line was close or even with Bray.


Again you must not have watched the game. That's fine, you aren't a UT fan. I don't watch all of Florida's games either. Stat lines don't tell the whole story.

The throws changed entirely. Simms tended to hang onto the football a lot and get lucky with a broken coverage, bray was throwingly sharply and on target and on time with several of his throws. It was also his first true significant play time against a very quality D-line with a very bad offensive line.

Simms was only allowed to throw outside because he is horrible. He would have thrown tons of interceptions if he did and was protected by the coaching staff. Bray was throwing the ball all over the field and making impressive throws despite the extensive pass rush and it being his first start.

I'm not saying it will be an exact repeat, but for your first real play time against that quality of D-line and with such a bad O-line it was pretty impressive. There are several parallels to the game on saturday.

Bray is now much better at utilizing his weapons, understands the offense, and has a much better O-line. Production wise USCe's D-line was a lot better then than UF's line is right now. Yet USCe had a suspect secondary. People act like bray has never seen an SEC team. He saw play time against Georgia, USCe, and Alabama.
 
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Again you must not have watched the game. That's fine, you aren't a UT fan. I don't watch all of Florida's games either. Stat lines don't tell the whole story.

The throws changed entirely. Simms tended to hang onto the football a lot and get lucky with a broken coverage, bray was throwingly sharply and on target and on time with several of his throws. It was also his first true significant play time against a very quality D-line with a very bad offensive line.

Simms was only allowed to throw outside because he is horrible. He would have thrown tons of interceptions if he did and was protected by the coaching staff. Bray was throwing the ball all over the field and making impressive throws despite the extensive pass rush and it being his first start.

I'm not saying it will be an exact repeat, but for your first real play time against that quality of D-line and with such a bad O-line it was pretty impressive. There are several parallels to the game on saturday.

Bray is now much better at utilizing his weapons, understands the offense, and has a much better O-line. Production wise USCe's D-line was a lot better then than UF's line is right now. Yet USCe had a suspect secondary. People act like bray has never seen an SEC team. He saw play time against Georgia, USCe, and Alabama.
Uh, have you seen their defense in the past 2 weeks? Almost as bad as Auburn's... and that says a lot.
 
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Again you must not have watched the game. That's fine, you aren't a UT fan. I don't watch all of Florida's games either. Stat lines don't tell the whole story.

The throws changed entirely. Simms tended to hang onto the football a lot and get lucky with a broken coverage, bray was throwingly sharply and on target and on time with several of his throws. It was also his first true significant play time against a very quality D-line with a very bad offensive line.

Simms was only allowed to throw outside because he is horrible. He would have thrown tons of interceptions if he did and was protected by the coaching staff. Bray was throwing the ball all over the field and making impressive throws despite the extensive pass rush and it being his first start.

I'm not saying it will be an exact repeat, but for your first real play time against that quality of D-line and with such a bad O-line it was pretty impressive. There are several parallels to the game on saturday.

Bray is now much better at utilizing his weapons, understands the offense, and has a much better O-line. Production wise USCe's D-line was a lot better then than UF's line is right now. Yet USCe had a suspect secondary. People act like bray has never seen an SEC team. He saw play time against Georgia, USCe, and Alabama.

I only watched the 4th so I'm don't know much about how Simms looked outside of the fumbles on Sports Center.
 
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#39
Uh, have you seen their defense in the past 2 weeks? Almost as bad as Auburn's... and that says a lot.


SC is a weird team that has had a consistently good D-line and pass rush and an absolutely horrible secondary that can't cover anyone which makes their defense look terrible. That said this was also last year and I believe at the time they lead the SEC in sacks or were close to it (one of the top d-line units at any rate if i'm wrong on the previous statement).

HG: As far as watching the game, it's important. All year Simms was limited by his inability to play quarterback effectively. The difference between Bray and Simms is phenomenal. The game was actually very close at one point because of Bray throwing UT back into it before the defense gave a bit.
 
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#40
#40
Stop being intentionally hard headed because someone rightfully called you out for trying to slam Bray's performance without watching him compared to Simms or even his entire game against SC.

I didn't slam his performance. I said their stat lines were close.
 
#41
#41
No question.

Absolutely. I would love something along the lines of a Gaffneyesque drop for a TD to win it on an untimed down.

Aww he!! no! I want to beat them so bad they never want to see a Power T ever again. I want to beat the livin lizard $&*t out of em. I want every last one of them to have nightmares about this game for the rest of their sorry useless lizard lives. I don't want no fluke, I want a complete and utter obliteration of everything gator.
 
#42
#42
Going to be a good epic 1st round of the Saban seeds matchup. Yuck sounds kind of incestuous.
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#45
#45
We can analyze, argue, reconsider, re-analyze, change our minds, change them back and it still won't tell us anything in respect to the outcome of this game. As has been the case for the last twenty years in the UF-UT game, what the facts are on paper do not always translate to what happens on the field. People step up, mistakes are made, coaches change schemes, etc. I look at both teams and I think, as many here do, that this is the best chance we have had in a few years, but my heart has been broken early in September too many times to get my hopes up this time. More than once I have went to the Swamp knowing we had the superior team only to have to make that drive home after a loss. As a few here have pointed out, who each team has played and what we have done up to this point has no bearing on this game. This is the Vols and the Gators, so throw your reasons out the window, make sure you have the grill ready, the chips in the kitchen, the coolers full, the remote glued to the table(so you wont throw it) and lock the dog outside(so he wont get kicked) and sit back and enjoy this game. One thing is for sure. No matter what the outcome is Saturday, CDD and Co. have TN on their way back to making this a real rivalry again. GBO and V.B.
 
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We can analyze, argue, reconsider, re-analyze, change our minds, change them back and it still won't tell us anything in respect to the outcome of this game. As has been the case for the last twenty years in the UF-UT game, what the facts are on paper do not always translate to what happens on the field. People step up, mistakes are made, coaches change schemes, etc. I look at both teams and I think, as many here do, that this is the best chance we have had in a few years, but my heart has been broken early in September too many times to get my hopes up this time. More than once I have went to the Swamp knowing we had the superior team only to have to make that drive home after a loss. As a few here have pointed out, who each team has played and what we have done up to this point has no bearing on this game. This is the Vols and the Gators, so throw your reasons out the window, make sure you have the grill ready, the chips in the kitchen, the coolers full, the remote glued to the table(so you wont throw it) and lock the dog outside(so he wont get kicked) and sit back and enjoy this game. One thing is for sure. No matter what the outcome is Saturday, CDD and Co. have TN on their way back to making this a real rivalry again. GBO and V.B.

Maybe so. But one fact that's always mattered is that whoever has won the rushing battle nearly always wins. This is even true when you guys had Manning and UF had Wuerffel, Hilliard, Anthony, and Green.

The fact that many Tennessee fans are simply thinking that it won't matter is laughable.
 
#47
#47
Thats probably because UT has won 6 of their last 7 games (really 7 of the last 7, thanks refs) with little to no run game to support the passing attack, which is leaps and bounds better regardless of the running game this year. While I think running will matter, I don't think UT will beat UF's rushing totals, but I do think UT will win. The passing game will be very lopsided in UT's favor, I suspect, and that will offset the run.

Keep in mind UT and UF haven't been this close in talent yet this mismatched in where the talent and deficiencies are in the last 10 years. The old gold standard of leading rusher wins may very well not hold up this weekend.
 
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#48
Thats probably because UT has won 6 of their last 7 games (really 7 of the last 7, thanks refs) with little to no run game to support the passing attack, which is leaps and bounds better regardless of the running game this year. While I think running will matter, I don't think UT will beat UF's rushing totals, but I do think UT will win. The passing game will be very lopsided in UT's favor, I suspect, and that will offset the run.

Keep in mind UT and UF haven't been this close in talent yet this mismatched in where the talent and deficiencies are in the last 10 years. The old gold standard of leading rusher wins may very well not hold up this weekend.

Again, Bray has played USCe, Memphis, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, North Carolina, Montana, and Cincinnati. The best defense he has faced in those games is UNC (he didn't start against USCe).

The outcome? A loss. If UT doesn't have a successful running game in Bray's first "true" SEC road start (comparing Vandy to UF is laughable), UT will lose.
 
#49
#49
Again, Bray has played USCe, Memphis, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, North Carolina, Montana, and Cincinnati. The best defense he has faced in those games is UNC (he didn't start against USCe).

The outcome? A loss. If UT doesn't have a successful running game in Bray's first "true" SEC road start (comparing Vandy to UF is laughable), UT will lose.

Simplistic B.S. from a Gator troll. :snoring:
 
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