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Vols033

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Quarterback-We have a definite edge in this area. Brantley is still trying to find his way while Bray is lighting people up. Edge Tennessee

Running back-Rainey has been running great through the first 2 weeks. He could really make us pay if more of our guys attempt a "shoulder tackle" like Vareen tried on Pead. Edge Florida

Wide receivers-Florida has some very talented receivers, but none of them have ever stepped up and shown they could contribute like Louis Murphy or Percy could. Rogers and Hunter have been unstoppable. Edge-Tennessee

Tight end-I like how Rivera and Downs played last week, but Florida has Trey Burton and Jordan Reed who are an absolute load after they get the ball in their hands. Edge Florida

O-line-Our line has done a great job in pass protection this year as Bray has rarely gotten hit, but Florida has looked impressive in the running game and neither QB has been sacked. Edge Florida

D-Line-Florida has a ton of talent up front. I'm going to say this one is a little more even though. I have really been impressed by how our line has played so far this season, and I think they can hold their own against Florida. Edge even

Linebackers-We have some good linebackers, but they are all young. Florida has some great linebackers also, but they aren't quite as young. They have alot more depth also. Ronald Powell has to come out of his shell sooner or later. He has way too much talent. Edge Florida

Defensive backs-Our secondary has played ok this year, but nothing great has been generated besides the one pick 6. Florida has some very young but very talented DB's. Interesting battle to see how Hunter and Rogers stack up. Edge Florida

Special Teams-I'm giving this one to Florida also. Caleb Sturgis has not missed yet, and has hit a 50 yarder. Their return game is much more potent than ours at this point. Edge Florida

Overall I see this being a very close game. Florida is more talented from top to bottom than we are and should win this game. But, as many faults as we have on our team, I believe that Bray and the receivers are a matchup nightmare for almost anyone in the conference not name Bama or LSU. Their dominace will open up running lanes for our backs, and give our defense the ability to play very aggresive knowing that if they get beat, we have an offense that can flat score. I say Tennessee wins 31-27.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I disagree with your d-line assessment.
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You guys definitely have more talent from top to bottom, but from what I have seen, our d-line has played very well against better competition. I think our ends are better, where you have and edge at tackle just because of size.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I think we are even at OL. UF has the DL edge and its by a decent margin.
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Their O-line has desroyed people in the first couple of games while ours has failed to get a consitent push in the running game. We will play 6or 7 d-lineman. I don't care what they were ranked coming out of high school, from what I've seen I think Jaques, Malik, Hood, Couch, Miller, Martin, and Walls have played just as good as anyone on Florida's d-line. I could care less if they have 11 or 12 that can play. Only 6 or 7 will see the field, and I think our 6 or 7 are as good as theirs.
 
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Vols033 said:
Their O-line has desroyed people in the first couple of games while ours has failed to get a consitent push in the running game. We will play 6or 7 d-lineman. I don't care what they were ranked coming out of high school, from what I've seen I think Jaques, Malik, Hood, Couch, Miller, Martin, and Walls have played just as good as anyone on Florida's d-line. I could care less if they have 11 or 12 that can play. Only 6 or 7 will see the field, and I think our 6 or 7 are as good as theirs.
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Agree with this. Our O-Line has to step up w/the run blocking, as do Mr. Poole, Mr. Neal and Mr. Lane. If they do, we'll be stewing Gator tail Saturday night
 
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You know...Karma is a dirty girl, but she does seem to distribute her bad filth in an even-handed way. Wouldn't it be great if, to even her tab with Coach Dooley, Karma decided that UT should beat Florida on a fluke play that occurred with no time left on the clock.

I think one Gator in the Swamp, this year, is worth a Tiger and a Tarheel of last year.

Don't you?

:D
 
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TommyOler said:
You know...Karma is a dirty girl, but she does seem to distribute her bad filth in an even-handed way. Wouldn't it be great if, to even her tab with Coach Dooley, Karma decided that UT should beat Florida on a fluke play that occurred with no time left on the clock.

I think one Gator in the Swamp, this year, is worth a Tiger and a Tarheel of last year.

Don't you?

:D
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No question.
 
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TommyOler said:
You know...Karma is a dirty girl, but she does seem to distribute her bad filth in an even-handed way. Wouldn't it be great if, to even her tab with Coach Dooley, Karma decided that UT should beat Florida on a fluke play that occurred with no time left on the clock.

I think one Gator in the Swamp, this year, is worth a Tiger and a Tarheel of last year.

Don't you?

:D
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Absolutely. I would love something along the lines of a Gaffneyesque drop for a TD to win it on an untimed down.
 
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QB: UT
HB: UF
WR: UT
TE: Push
OL: Push
DL: UF
LB: UF
DB: Push
 
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vols033 said:
quarterback-we have a definite edge in this area. Brantley is still trying to find his way while bray is lighting people up. Edge tennessee

running back-rainey has been running great through the first 2 weeks. However, their backs often get shut down against team with real sec speed. I would expect one or two big runs but nothing consistent. Poole has been running great when challenged for carries. Edge tennessee

wide receivers-florida has some very talented receivers, but none of them have ever stepped up and shown they could contribute like louis murphy or percy could. Rogers and hunter have been unstoppable. Edge-tennessee

tight end-i like how rivera and downs played last week, but florida has trey burton and jordan reed who are an absolute load after they get the ball in their hands. Edge florida

o-line-our line has done a great job in pass protection this year as bray has rarely gotten hit. Florida has yet to be tested and has been playing the out speed high school ball running game. Edge even.

D-line-florida has a ton of talent up front. They are simply the best dline in college ball and many nfl teams would like to have this unit. Big edge uf.

Linebackers-thisi s our weakest position minus lathers. Florida has talent and experience at this spot. Big edge florida

defensive backs-our secondary has played very well this year considering how much responsibility they are given due to our lack of lb play. Florida has some very young but talented db's. Waggner and teague are better though by more then a little at this point. Edge ut.

Special teams-hard to say with young coming back. Our special teams coverage has been excellent. Our kickoff returns have been solid but not flashy. I will go with even though until we play a big time team and see what young can do. Edge even.

This game comes down to reactions to mistakes by young players. Mistakes will be made if ut jumps back and plays their game uf does not have the o or dbs to stick with us. However, we are young and in enemy territory if we feel the big mo after a mistake or two this game could get ugly.
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fyp
 
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Jewbaccah said:
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I think LSU and Bama just stroked out at your best D-Line in college football. Have you even watched Florida this year. Their d-line has looked very average. Get off the star rankings and watch them play. LOL at your even grade in special teams. Palardy can't even hit a 43 yarder while their kicker is 5-5 with a 50 yarder. Don't tell me Devrin is more dangerous than Rainey or Demps. I think the track record speaks for it's self.
 
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Bama plays a 3-4...? They are all about the LBs...I would put LSU right up there with UF. I would expect to see their Dline very motivated for this game. Big Players come out when the cameras are on. Their D will be all over the field.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Bama plays a 3-4...? They are all about the LBs...I would put LSU right up there with UF. I would expect to see their Dline very motivated for this game. Big Players come out when the cameras are on. Their D will be all over the field.
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So they don't have a d-line? The 3-4 works because of a big NT and some big time 290 lb d-lineman. Bama has much more talent on the front. LSU destroyed Oregon's o-line. Florida would get shredded by Oregon at this point. Florida couldn't even generate pressure against UAB, you think they will against us?

P.S. South Carolina also has a better d-line, and it's not close. Clowney = any 2 florida d-lineman
 
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Disagree about the comparison between Pead and Rainey. Pead is big and quick, can bounce with the hit that Vereen landed. Rainey weighs about 40 lbs less than Pead, that same Vereen hit will absolutely take him off his feet and airborne.
Still want tackles to wrap up though. Rainey will not break any tackles if they wrap him up!
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Bama has a Dline they just need to be Big..there D is about LBers when dominant. I stated LSU is right up there..sure USClite's line is good too. What is your point? Stating UF's dline is even with ours is ridiculous. There will be no need to contain against us we do not have a running QB they will be coming right for Bray. They have a very good dline..better?
 
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I didn't see anything to make me think UF's DL was better than UT's.

IMO, Montana beats both of the teams UF has played. Cincy beats them by a good margin. UF had two sacks vs FAU... FAU is absolutely horrible. Mich St held them to 48 yds of total O this past weekend... Horrible is being kind but I can't think of a worse word. UF had none against UAB.

UT had none vs Montana but two vs Cincy who again is the best opponent out of the collective four by a wide margin.
 
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Way I see it you've given too much edge to florida.

QB-UT
RB-UF
WR-UT
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O-line-UT, tennessee played far superior competition and while the running lanes weren't always open the pass protection has been excellent, and that's the strength of the offense. Feeding the strength of the offense makes this a draw or UT edge at worst.

TE-UT: Rivera is going to be very good. Good hands, seems to do well with blocking. As a true TE I'd say he's better than burton or reed, but their versatility to line up elsewhere is a strength. As a true TE rivera has the edge. As athletes UF.

D-Line-Even: UF's D-line is suppose to be legendary, but so far it hasn't been. Against failing competition last year even UT's pathetic D-line was able to come up with a lot of penetration and pass rush. Florida may be able to soak up the run but their threat of crushing the pocket isn't there.

This UT D-line is the most underestimated D-line in the SEC. If UF's d-line gets props for star power, think about the UT D-line. Walls- 4 star, Miller- 4 star, Smith- 4/5 star, Martin- 5 star, Couch- 4/5 star. The only guy who isnt a 4-5 star is Hood, who the coaches think highly enough of to start him ahead of the 4/5 star players.

Depth favors florida, production favors UT. The starting defensive lines are not all that far apart in their ability.

Linebackers-UF

Secondary-Even: Both have some young guys and some good players, both lost their best player due to dismissal. I think while they are about even, UF's secondary will will much worse given the fact that UF's receivers aren't very threatening (certainly not as good as Cincinnati 's) and the fact that rogers and hunter will abuse the young and small CB's.

Total: ut-4, uf-2, even-2


There's a lot that's made of the previous games, inability to run or florida running all over people. UT not stopping the rune, etc. People need to realize there are reasons these things happen.

As for florida expecting to run all over UT because Pead did, not so fast. Pead is an excellent tailback, averaged 6 pyc I believe last year. Also remember Cinncinati has a much better offense than florida does. They were averaging almost 40 points a game last year. The major threat to UT was the QB throwing and their good receivers, which UT focused on. Pead had several tackles missed on him and did a great job getting his yards, but schematically I believe he was allowed to get his to take away some of the passing game and contain the quarterback running. I believe the coaches knew Pead himself wasn't going to win the game, and while leaving him less defended would be damaging it was going to be the lesser of two evils. They still need to tackle better.

Florida fans should be familiar with scatbacks getting yards successfully this way, after all they did it for years with tebow. Take tebow out of the equation and it's far more difficult for those backs to get yards without a respectable passing game, which florida simply doesn't have, or at least hasn't shown. I've seen several florida fans predict both their backs go over 100 against UT on saturday, and while that could happen I don't think either of them will get to 100. Close probably, but not break it. It's hard for any back to break 100 when there's 3-4 rushers in a game.

So far UT has shown the aptitude to adjust what it's doing to win games. That is something that didn't appear until much later in the season last year when they won 4 games in a row. The defense may be caught off guard at first, but wilcox seems to find a way to start taking away opponents strengths quickly. Total yardage isn't a good way to judge his defense.

While Florida lacked a pass rush against the first two teams and Florida fans claim "well they didn't want to show anything". If that line is that epic, they're going to bulldoze with 4 years. FSU, UT, and UF did it for years with superior athletes against chumps like UAB. Do you truly believe muschamp told his guys "don't go after the qb"? That's like telling your running back not to find the holes. Just because they aren't doing it doesn't mean it's a scheme, sometimes they just aren't there yet.

For the record bringing additional blitzers means the front 4 aren't getting the penetration on their own, that's the entire idea behind it being a risk. If you Blitz and fail or don't get there in time, big plays can happen. The idea that the front 4 aren't getting the penetration because the blitzes haven't been displayed yet is self-defeating, their penetration isn't effected by blitzers, the blitzers are effected by them. The secondary has a much bigger impact on the front 4 getting a decent pass rush than the blitzing backs.

I'm picking UT to be a 10 point winner. Maybe it's the homer in me but I also called 51-21 for UT-Cincinnati which Dooley ruined by calling off the dogs at the end. I went back and watched both games and these are some of the conclusions I drew from them. If this game was at Neyland I think you'd be looking at a multiple touchdown win for UT.

UF is good, but I don't feel like they are good in areas that they need to be to slow down UT. Also for an example of a much more productive D-line not slowing down Bray, see South Carolina last year. Strong D-line+ suspect secondary = Bray chucking it around.
 
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I'm sure the NFL scouts ranked Marcel Dareus so high because he was just "big". Florida's d-line has never lived up to the hype. I am saying that our d-line has performed just as well as theirs has against better competition this year. That's the reason for the even grade. Like I said before, I don't care about star rankings, I care how they play. I don't see how anyone can say Florida has one of the best d-lines in the country if they have seen them play.
 
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UAB plays a form of spread that requires you contain and play zones. They throw short passes and get YAC they run with the WRS etc...blitzing against that kind of team is idiotic...it is against most smaller teams. It is delusional to think UFs line is not all world because of the sacks they did not get against them. Do you remember when we played UAB? They shut them out bro...their D is very very good. It is one of the better Ds in the country. IF they had veteran DBs they would be number one on D. That being said their weakness is matched against our strength. Their Dline will have to play very well to beat us. It will be interesting.

And one name Floyd should remind you of something you have forgotten.
 
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Ok I agree with most of what the OP is saying some corrections that I will add.

QB TN
RB UF
TE Push
WR UT by a long shot
OL Push
DL UF
LBS UF because of R.Powell
DBs Even but I'm leaning towards UT because 5'8 and 5'9 corners don't cut it
ST UF but we are actually better then them right now on paper

This game will be close but I say Vols not just cause of my heart but I think Bray will pick them apart and I think we run the ball better then expected. 35-24 Vols
 
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Floyd is all they have. The rest of their line is made up of a bunch of underachievers. Their production is equal to what we have.
 
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Jewbaccah are you a closet Gator? I mean seriously if you think so highly of UF go to their board.You obviously don't know much about football.I bet you were one of the people who thought we would lose to Cincy. News flash it didn't happen.Besides I feel like Chaney is a better play caller then Weiss anyways.The days of running the football 50 a game are over.We have an offense that is built to Out score people and I'm ok with that.
 
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sjt18 said:
I didn't see anything to make me think UF's DL was better than UT's.

IMO, Montana beats both of the teams UF has played. Cincy beats them by a good margin. UF had two sacks vs FAU... FAU is absolutely horrible. Mich St held them to 48 yds of total O this past weekend... Horrible is being kind but I can't think of a worse word. UF had none against UAB.

UT had none vs Montana but two vs Cincy who again is the best opponent out of the collective four by a wide margin.
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You like the Vols to win?
 
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