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I've read many different ideas on here about the FL game and specifically the last play. I spoke to a guy who plays professional arena league football and explained the last play to him.

He said that the play call sounded good. He thinks that the players didn't execute. The safety cannot get burned like that. He also said that the weakness in a cover 2 is the middle of the field. So when Abernathy turned to his right instead of his left he allowed the WR to run by him so it wasn't the coaches playcalling mistake

Personally we lost the game many times over by not scoring in the red zone. So really nobody should be blaming Shoop or Butch for the defensive call. Also I doubt that QB could throw another ball hitting a guy in stride from over 70 yards with tight coverage again in 1000 tries. It was very lucky.

No question that the Blame falls on the offense, special teams, and offensive coaching in the red zone....

I think Shoop coached a good game overall against a poor offense..
 
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If your arena league football player friend had called the last play instead it could not have turned out worse.
 
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Kongbo was held on that play. Should have been a 10 yard penalty. But its a moot point. Safety should have never let the WR get behind him.
 
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Just my opinion, but there is no reason to not play a soft cover 3 or 4 in the position. They needed 20 yards for a 60 yard fg attempt. I would have rushed 3 and dropped into a cover 4 with 4 underneath. The 4 underneath would have played at 12-15 yards. The 4 deep would have been at 20-25. By the time the qb tried to figure out where to go with the ball it would be the last play. Unless, he dumped it off at 10 yards then you come up and make the tackle. And, they may have one play for a hail mary or they could try a 65+ yard fg. Either way, there is only 1 play that can for sure get you beat in that situation. And, we allowed that play which was letting a wr get behind you.
 
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BigOrange04 said:
Just my opinion, but there is no reason to not play a soft cover 3 or 4 in the position. They needed 20 yards for a 60 yard fg attempt. I would have rushed 3 and dropped into a cover 4 with 4 underneath. The 4 underneath would have played at 12-15 yards. The 4 deep would have been at 20-25. By the time the qb tried to figure out where to go with the ball it would be the last play. Unless, he dumped it off at 10 yards then you come up and make the tackle. And, they may have one play for a hail mary or they could try a 65+ yard fg. Either way, there is only 1 play that can for sure get you beat in that situation. And, we allowed that play which was letting a wr get behind you.
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Play clock stops for first down. You drop everyone back and they hit a slant in the middle and they can get 20 yards in 5~ seconds with the ref stopping the clock as soon he's down
 
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BigOrange04 said:
Just my opinion, but there is no reason to not play a soft cover 3 or 4 in the position. They needed 20 yards for a 60 yard fg attempt. I would have rushed 3 and dropped into a cover 4 with 4 underneath. The 4 underneath would have played at 12-15 yards. The 4 deep would have been at 20-25. By the time the qb tried to figure out where to go with the ball it would be the last play. Unless, he dumped it off at 10 yards then you come up and make the tackle. And, they may have one play for a hail mary or they could try a 65+ yard fg. Either way, there is only 1 play that can for sure get you beat in that situation. And, we allowed that play which was letting a wr get behind you.
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Thanks for the insight, coach
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Play clock stops for first down. You drop everyone back and they hit a slant in the middle and they can get 20 yards in 5~ seconds with the ref stopping the clock as soon he's down
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They had a timeout so that doesn't matter. It was just an aggressive defensive call that left the safety 1 on 1 with the wr. Similar to the uga game last year. Shoop has a lot of trust in his guys to be in position, and when they screw up you give up a 67yd bomb on the last play of the game.
 
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Jaws said:
Not only was Kongdo not held, but he lined up with his hand in the neutral zone. Flag should have been thrown on him, but of course, Florida would have declined.
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It's like the last drive to the basket in a hoops game...the refs have one foot out the door and ain't blowing a whistle unless there is blood! Lol!

Refs didn't impact goat game...both teams made some good plays and made some mistakes...both coaches had some good calls and some that made you scratch your head...
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Play clock stops for first down. You drop everyone back and they hit a slant in the middle and they can get 20 yards in 5~ seconds with the ref stopping the clock as soon he's down
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Y’all don’t deal in reality. Our pass rush has been getting to Franks all day. No reason to not have 4 deep with 4 down lineman and 3 at the first down line. The minute Franks moved out of the pocket, there was no possible way for them to complete a pass short of the endzone with time left on the clock. Hell, you could even put only 3 deep and still have the field covered.
 
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BigOrange04 said:
They had a timeout so that doesn't matter. It was just an aggressive defensive call that left the safety 1 on 1 with the wr. Similar to the uga game last year. Shoop has a lot of trust in his guys to be in position, and when they screw up you give up a 67yd bomb on the last play of the game.
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It was a CB that got burnt last year vs UGA. I remember it was Malik Foreman. Cover 2 is not an aggressive call. The safety simply cannot let anyone behind him. Thats literally the 1 thing he cannot do. And he did it.
 
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I'll admit I wasn't expecting a Hail Mary. I thought they were going to try to get into FG range. They have one of the best kickers in the nation. That last play took me by complete surprise.
 
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But the truth is it should have never came to that. We once again snatched defeat from the hands of victory. It's what we do against Florida.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
I admit I wasn't expecting a Hail Mary. I thought they were going to try to get into FG range. They have one of the best kickers in the nation. The HM took me by complete surprise
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It was a busted play...after the game Frank's said the play was to get the ball to/inside the 35 and kick a FG...receiver was covered so they scrambled...
 
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Sarms58 said:
It's like the last drive to the basket in a hoops game...the refs have one foot out the door and ain't blowing a whistle unless there is blood! Lol!

Refs didn't impact goat game...both teams made some good plays and made some mistakes...both coaches had some good calls and some that made you scratch your head...
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Should have been a offsides on the first down. No excuse for missing that! None!

Should have called the holding on Kongbo - one guy right there watching the line - it was his only job!

No excuse for Tennessee screwing up coverage! But there is no excuse for Ref screwing up either! And it did impact result.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
It was a CB that got burnt last year vs UGA. I remember it was Malik Foreman. Cover 2 is not an aggressive call. The safety simply cannot let anyone behind him. Thats literally the 1 thing he cannot do. And he did it.
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It was actually a quarter, quarter and half defense on sat per Shoop. Gaulden had a quarter, Warrior had a quarter and Abernathy had the half which was the side of the field where there was only 1 wr. I would consider that an aggressive defense in that situation. You know if the 1 wr on that side runs deep there is going to only be Abernathy there to make the play. And, you are right that you absolutely cannot let anyone behind you.

Not saying it was completely the wrong call. If he would have went complete prevent and they completed a 20 yard pass and kicked the 60 yard fg we would be having the same discussions. Just a risky call knowing that they can throw one up for grabs there with only Abernathy over there.
 
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SteensVol said:
Should have been a offsides on the first down. No excuse for missing that! None!

Should have called the holding on Kongbo - one guy right there watching the line - it was his only job!

No excuse for Tennessee screwing up coverage! But there is no excuse for Ref screwing up either! And it did impact result.
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Exactly. The last two bad calls against Tennessee were absolute game changers. The ones the refs missed on UF were earlier in the game.
 
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Jaws said:
Not only was Kongdo not held, but he lined up with his hand in the neutral zone. Flag should have been thrown on him, but of course, Florida would have declined.
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It really doesn't matter but Kongbo was held. Lol take your W.
 
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You can't play a conventional cover 2 in that situation--stupid. You have to drop more guys into coverage per the poster above. Better a 60=yard FG attempt than losing the damn game on a deep pass. You can't let a WR get behind your safeties under any circumstance.
 
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armchair said:
You can't play a conventional cover 2 in that situation--stupid. You have to drop more guys into coverage per the poster above. Better a 60=yard FG attempt than losing the damn game on a deep pass. You can't let a WR get behind your safeties under any circumstance.
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100% agree cover-2 was a stupid call

a 3-2-6 or 4-2-5 cover 3 would have been the correct play call in that situation IMO.
 
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BigOrange04 said:
It was actually a quarter, quarter and half defense on sat per Shoop. Gaulden had a quarter, Warrior had a quarter and Abernathy had the half which was the side of the field where there was only 1 wr. I would consider that an aggressive defense in that situation. You know if the 1 wr on that side runs deep there is going to only be Abernathy there to make the play. And, you are right that you absolutely cannot let anyone behind you.

Not saying it was completely the wrong call. If he would have went complete prevent and they completed a 20 yard pass and kicked the 60 yard fg we would be having the same discussions. Just a risky call knowing that they can throw one up for grabs there with only Abernathy over there.
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It was the perfect call. Just didnt execute. The safety had 1 job. Dont let anyone behind him. He did.
 
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