First Official Depth Chart Released

#26
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VKAman said:
Here's an article about it:
Depth Chart Notes | Drew's Notebook | GoVolsXtra.com

If anyone can find the entire chart feel free to post, but that article tells you about all you need to know. This is what it seems to look like:

QB: 1. J. Crompton/B. Coleman/N. Stephens
RB: 1. M. Hardesty
FB: 1. K. Cooper
WR: 1. G. Jones 2. A. Rogers 3. T. Maples 4. T. Campbell
WR: 1. Q. Hancock/D. Moore/B. Warren 4. A. Paige
TE: 1. J. Cottam/L. Stocker
LT: 1. C. Scott
LG: 1. V. Richard
C: 1. J. McNeil/C. Sullins
RG: 1. J. McClendon 2. C. Pope 3. D. Sawtelle 4. M. Bowens
RT: 1. J. Shaw/A. Douglas
LE: 1. B. Martin 2. W. Bohannon 3. G. Williams
NT: 1. D. Williams 2. C. Nelson
DT: 1. W. Brown 2. M. Hughes 3. V. Thomas 4. A. Mathis
RE: 1. C. Walker
SLB: 1. L. Thompson/S. Reveiz 3. C. Donald 4. D. Vereen
MLB: 1. N. Reveiz/H. Lathers 3. N. Mitchell-Thornton
WLB: 1. R. McCoy
CB: 1. A. Evans 2. M. Johnson 3. C. Fleming
SS: 1. E. Berry 2. D. Furlow 3. R. Wilks
FS: 1. P. Waggner/S. Raines
CB: 1. D. Rogan/B. Vinson 3. A. Anderson

KR: 1. D. Rogan 2. E. Berry
PR: 1. G. Jones 2. D. Rogan

When I put slashes that's not a guess, it's just that our official depth chart lists both those players (or all three) as starters, signifying that they are still in competition. Not much we didn't expect, I don't think, but RT, SLB (because of Shane Reveiz) and CB (to a degree, because Evans seems to be ahead of both Vinson and Rogan) gave me some surprises.
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Our starters look pretty solid. Depth is the biggest concern.

Which incoming Frosh have the best shot at starting by the UF game?
 
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#27
#27
i expect to see oku, nuke, and teague involved in special teams somewhere
maybe bryce brown too...

maybe myles/jackson beating out waggner/raines too....

other than that i don't see any of the freshman necessarily starting...but i bet a lot play
 
#28
#28
"Minor Bowens, a transfer from Tennessee State, is working with the offensive line now at guard, after beginning spring at defensive tackle."

I have never heard of this guy. This is the first I have even heard about a transfer from TN ST.

As far as Berry returning kicks this year. If he does and performs well, this could very likely put him in the running for the Heisman, IMO. He already is considered one of the best players in college football.
 
#29
#29
I am ready to see what this years class will bring, I am sure that a few of those guys will be starting by the WKU game. I cant wait.
 
#30
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Dudleys87 said:
Berry would be a 5 option in KR and PR.
High risk low reward type deal in my opinion.
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I will agree with the "high risk" part, but the reward is also high. The most important component of football is field position, and when you have a guy that can consistantly put you at mid field or better, that's high reward imo. I'll agree, though, that for the risk, we could probably find somebody that does it as good or almost as good as EB.
 
#32
#32
I thought Rod Wilkes was going to be the #1 at every position, but I see he's been relegated to NUMBER THREE(?!?!) as only a SS?

How can this possibly be?

Where's the Rod Wilkes love?
 
#35
#35
UTvolinBGKY said:
are the freshman not included in this?
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the freshman that are on campus are as Mitchell Thornton was on chart. But all players participating in spring right now were not on there so some could have been over looked / left off. Might be down too low to include

they would not slot those coming in August.

I'll make my annual comments here on incoming freshman.

first week in August:

All freshman will get looks to see where they can help. Fans will hear a lot about how great they are looking and it will sound like there are several that might start. Don't be fooled.

second week in august:

some of the freshman will be moved down the depth chart as far as reps are concerned. This will be those staff quickly determined were not going to help in 2009. More press will satrt to be given to veterans.

third week of practice:

Here is where rubber starts to meet the road. By this time, you will be hearing about 3-5 freshman "potentially" helping during 2009. the rest, little will be talked about. Doesn't mean several won't play on special teams but as far as a chance at being in 2 deep rotation, only 3-5 names will continue to be talked about a lot, per se.

4th week of practice:

2 deep gets solidified. Game prep for opening game begins. IMO, MIGHT be 3 freshman in 2 deep. Most likely candidates being Brown, Jackson andTeague IMO.

caveat would be a lot of this depends on how much more attrition transpires (will be more) and if any attrition key 2 deep players. That could escalate a few more freshman having to play no matter how ready staff feels they are.
 
#36
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LWSVOL said:
the freshman that are on campus are as Mitchell Thornton was on chart. But all players participating in spring right now were not on there so some could have been over looked / left off. Might be down too low to include

they would not slot those coming in August.

I'll make my annual comments here on incoming freshman.

first week in August:

All freshman will get looks to see where they can help. Fans will hear a lot about how great they are looking and it will sound like there are several that might start. Don't be fooled.

second week in august:

some of the freshman will be moved down the depth chart as far as reps are concerned. This will be those staff quickly determined were not going to help in 2009. More press will satrt to be given to veterans.

third week of practice:

Here is where rubber starts to meet the road. By this time, you will be hearing about 3-5 freshman "potentially" helping during 2009. the rest, little will be talked about. Doesn't mean several won't play on special teams but as far as a chance at being in 2 deep rotation, only 3-5 names will continue to be talked about a lot, per se.

4th week of practice:

2 deep gets solidified. Game prep for opening game begins. IMO, MIGHT be 3 freshman in 2 deep. Most likely candidates being Brown, Jackson andTeague IMO.

caveat would be a lot of this depends on how much more attrition transpires (will be more) and if any attrition key 2 deep players. That could escalate a few more freshman having to play no matter how ready staff feels they are.
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Very nice summation. Looks like you have seen and heard the freshman hype before.

One surprise: Richardson is excluded from your 2 deep list. Do you think he is too small to help right away?
 
#37
#37
Lexvol said:
Very nice summation. Looks like you have seen and heard the freshman hype before.

One surprise: Richardson is excluded from your 2 deep list. Do you think he is too small to help right away?
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I expect a couple things from Nuke.

returns he will be a big part. He will get snaps on offense but not in 2 deep in my opinion. But he will get ball some
 
#38
#38
LWSVOL said:
2 deep gets solidified. Game prep for opening game begins. IMO, MIGHT be 3 freshman in 2 deep. Most likely candidates being Brown, Jackson andTeague IMO.
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Nice summation!

Do you not see Askew being in their somewhere...

I would have thought that with our lack of qulaity depth at LB and his exceptional (or what appears to be exceptional) physical maturity for his age he would find his way into the 2-deep by the first game

Edit: What about Myles at safety as well...he appears physically ready and with Morley's absense it would seem he will get a serious chance to make the 2-deep
 
#39
#39
blamie said:
Nice summation!

Do you not see Askew being in their somewhere...

I would have thought that with our lack of qulaity depth at LB and his exceptional (or what appears to be exceptional) physical maturity for his age he would find his way into the 2-deep by the first game

Edit: What about Myles at safety as well...he appears physically ready and with Morley's absense it would seem he will get a serious chance to make the 2-deep
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askew likely has better shot than Myles at getting in 2 deep. Askew depends on if theyw ish to groom him for MLB (best approach) or feel need to have him out there now. If they groom him at MLB, lot of responsibility and as a freshamn, would reduce his game reps IMO.

Myles has chance to work in there as well but would be surprised.

5 freshman in the 2 deep to open season would be kind of scary.

attrition a factor also as I said earlier.

lot of time for many things to change between now and August 1
 
#40
#40
LWSVOL said:
askew likely has better shot than Myles at getting in 2 deep. Askew depends on if theyw ish to groom him for MLB (best approach) or feel need to have him out there now. If they groom him at MLB, lot of responsibility and as a freshamn, would reduce his game reps IMO.

Myles has chance to work in there as well but would be surprised.

5 freshman in the 2 deep to open season would be kind of scary.

attrition a factor also as I said earlier.

lot of time for many things to change between now and August 1
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Agreed...

I think it's a safe bet that Askew is the future at MLB...but playing MLB in this system might be a bit too much to ask a true freshman...so his playing time will likely come at one of the other spots based on the lack of quality depth that exists right now (not even considering what attrition might occur)

As far as the number of freshman we play this year...I agree it's scary but I also think it's exciting to know that the best will play regardless of class...

Call me crazy but if I had to choose I'd rather see a physically gifted player make a mental mistake than see an experienced player with less talent just get over-matched
 
#41
#41
VKAman said:
Here's an article about it:
Depth Chart Notes | Drew's Notebook | GoVolsXtra.com

If anyone can find the entire chart feel free to post, but that article tells you about all you need to know. This is what it seems to look like:

QB: 1. J. Crompton/B. Coleman/N. Stephens
RB: 1. M. Hardesty
FB: 1. K. Cooper
WR: 1. G. Jones 2. A. Rogers 3. T. Maples 4. T. Campbell
WR: 1. Q. Hancock/D. Moore/B. Warren 4. A. Paige
TE: 1. J. Cottam/L. Stocker
LT: 1. C. Scott
LG: 1. V. Richard
C: 1. J. McNeil/C. Sullins
RG: 1. J. McClendon 2. C. Pope 3. D. Sawtelle 4. M. Bowens
RT: 1. J. Shaw/A. Douglas
LE: 1. B. Martin 2. W. Bohannon 3. G. Williams
NT: 1. D. Williams 2. C. Nelson
DT: 1. W. Brown 2. M. Hughes 3. V. Thomas 4. A. Mathis
RE: 1. C. Walker
SLB: 1. L. Thompson/S. Reveiz 3. C. Donald 4. D. Vereen
MLB: 1. N. Reveiz/H. Lathers 3. N. Mitchell-Thornton
WLB: 1. R. McCoy
CB: 1. A. Evans 2. M. Johnson 3. C. Fleming
SS: 1. E. Berry 2. D. Furlow 3. R. Wilks
FS: 1. P. Waggner/S. Raines
CB: 1. D. Rogan/B. Vinson 3. A. Anderson

KR: 1. D. Rogan 2. E. Berry
PR: 1. G. Jones 2. D. Rogan

When I put slashes that's not a guess, it's just that our official depth chart lists both those players (or all three) as starters, signifying that they are still in competition. Not much we didn't expect, I don't think, but RT, SLB (because of Shane Reveiz) and CB (to a degree, because Evans seems to be ahead of both Vinson and Rogan) gave me some surprises.
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wow, who ever made this depth chart has some cahonies....
 
#42
#42
I would think that Aaron Douglas at 282 lbs could easily get over 290 lbs by fall if not close to 300 of lean muscle mass given his frame and still be athletic given his TE background. Shaw at 330 seems too big, unless he's a fit and athletic 330, to handle speed rushers off the edge. He also seems too big to get out to the edge effectively on zone stretch plays.
 
#43
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blamie said:
As far as the number of freshman we play this year...I agree it's scary but I also think it's exciting to know that the best will play regardless of class...

Call me crazy but if I had to choose I'd rather see a physically gifted player make a mental mistake than see an experienced player with less talent just get over-matched
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they will not play freshman due to physical abilities only. if they don't know what to do, they won't put them out there IMO. You see how they are handling C Donald and G Williams right? Its not all physical and this staff is no different than other staffs in that regard.
 
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L, what players or position groups will be affected by attrition in your opinion?

What do you think the prospects are for Schofield and/or Walls making a serious contribution this fall? I tend to believe the failure of anyone to really work out at RT leaves the door wide open for JS. He's a bright kid with all the measurables.
 
#45
#45
sjt18 said:
L, what players or position groups will be affected by attrition in your opinion?

What do you think the prospects are for Schofield and/or Walls making a serious contribution this fall? I tend to believe the failure of anyone to really work out at RT leaves the door wide open for JS. He's a bright kid with all the measurables.
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I think this, might lose a couple kids due to academic issues by fall (LOT of players quit going to class and didn't complete once CPF was fired), might lose a couple more due to violation of team rules, might lose a couple due to medical issues and then if you look at kdis starting their 3rd or 4th year on campus in fall and not making movement, subject to transfer or be asked to transfer. There are several of these type kids.

Just too hard to predict but dynamics of new staff, new system, unhappy kids, etc lead to more leaving. I predicted 8-12 just as a number in fall. They got to 7 much sooner than I thought they would.

as far as Walls and Schofield. Walls has better chance (if he gets in) to help than Schofield. Schofield will have to get reps because he will be in 2 deep next year but to expect him to be very effective this year is asking too much. Walls has a year in Prep so a year older and need is greater if Thomas and Nelson don't step up ( a couple candidates to potential leave due to lack of movement).

that would be my thoughts
 
#47
#47
LWSVOL said:
I think this, might lose a couple kids due to academic issues by fall (LOT of players quit going to class and didn't complete once CPF was fired),
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I didn't think they could participate in spring practice if they didn't meet the progress guidelines?

Interesting thoughts on the losses BTW... but they're getting to a point where some of those guys (Nelson and Thomas) might play by default.

You mentioned Walls as a potential tackle. Has he gained that much weight?
 
#48
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sjt18 said:
I didn't think they could participate in spring practice if they didn't meet the progress guidelines?

Interesting thoughts on the losses BTW... but they're getting to a point where some of those guys (Nelson and Thomas) might play by default.

You mentioned Walls as a potential tackle. Has he gained that much weight?
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don't know about the spring practice deal. could be, just not sure.

walls is in 280-290 pound range is what I've been hearing
 
#50
#50
So does that mean we probably aren't looking at academic losses? Even if someone had a weak spring, the summer allows them to catch up and get in compliance.

Walls at that weight could be the other horse to yoke up with Hughes. Wow. Good news... if he gets in of course.

Any news on his eligibility?
 
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