Firing the head coach, Nebraska style

#26
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VolsWinRLose said:
Well said.
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MG1968 said:
Nobody fears UT anymore, either, but I think that's where the comparison with Nebraska ends.
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vol_in_ar said:
Look at Weiss at Notre Dame as well.

He's really stepping up this year.
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This makes alot of sense. I personally have some misgivings about a coaching change, but something is awfully wrong with the UT squad.

The games are being lost in the trenches, we ended the Arky St game with with 5.2 YPC, but were in the low 4's early in the 2nd Quarter. Meanwhile, we gave up 5.7 YPC to a team that we should have manhandled up front, due to our size and superior talent.

Against Florida, 1.8 YPC While allowing 5.5, We stifled SMiss to 2.8, but averaged 4.9 ourselves, which is not impressive, again citing the talent differential up front. Cal ripped us for 6.2 YPC.

This, to me, shows one of 3 things: A lack of comprehension for the steps to react to an opponents rush attempts, a lack of fitness on the part of the athletes, or a simple lack of 100% effort on every snap. All 3 can be attributed to the coaching staff to varying degrees.

Since that was so far off topic, i'll get to my point. Like the Callahan comment, going with Chris Peterson because of the trendiness might not be the best bet for the future, if (when) the change comes, it has to be a calculated move.

We find our guy, contact him and get things set, making sure that he is truly who we want, then, behind closed doors, ask Coach Fulmer to announce his resignation following the season. If he won't, than he'll have to deal with being fired.

We don't need a Charlie Weis fiasco, which ND got themselves into by canning Willingham, only to have Urban Meyer leave them at the altar, so they had to scramble to find someone...
 
#27
#27
I don't think its a coincidence that the Vols biggest output rushing the ball this season came tonight and Coker got his most extensive playing time. He looked good in both halves, but got a majority of this carries in the 2nd half. That might explain the difference in ypc in the 2nd quarter from the end of the game. The Vols have been missing an explosive big time playmaker at running back since Travis Stephens. Coker is it and the coaching staff needs to get this guy alot of touches. He had 15 rushes for 101 yards and 1 touchdown, as well as 2 receptions for 49 yards and another TD.

Defensively, they looked much better tonight. Still need work on tackling and the defensive line looks like they take plays off. The defensive backfield looked alot less confused tonight and could have picked off at 3 more passes. The 377 yards given up to ASU was their (ASU) lowest output of the season.
 
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allvol said:
I don't think its a coincidence that the Vols biggest output rushing the ball this season came tonight and Coker got his most extensive playing time.
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Is it a coincidence that we were playing Arkansas freaking State?
 
#29
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kptvol said:
Is it a coincidence that we were playing Arkansas freaking State?
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I hear this, we really shouldnt need 4 passing TD's to beat them soundly, The whole freakin system is messed up.

After the NC, We hit a High Water Mark beating UF in Gainesville in 2001, and it's been a steady outward tide since then, sure, theres been high points, but the overall trend of the highest highs and lowest lows is dragging downward
 
#30
#30
We've been through the "be careful what you wish for" crap ad nauseum.

As to using the Nebraska situation to scare us, all I have to say is:

Mike Hamilton>>>Steve Pederson
 
#31
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Ohio Vol said:
Solich basically got slapped with the label of "couldn't win at Nebraska", which isn't entirely accurate. He simply wasn't as successful as Tom Osborne.

The reason I bring up Nebraska as an example is because there is definitely a parallel here...outcry over a "boring", "predictable", and "obsolete" offense with the implication being that something "modern" would bring about some sort of radical positive change. Nebraska demanded it and got it, and look where they are.

hatvol, Paul Johnson's Navy team is 1-1 the last two weeks. They lost 34-31 to Ball State after Kaipo-Noa etc etc was lost early in the second half and hung 46 on Duke today. The fact that Navy, with a backup quarterback running what is commonly derided as a high school offense, did nearly as well against Ball State as Nebraska did, speaks volumes more for Nebraska than it does Ball State. Defense has been Navy's downfall during Johnson's tenure, but his general attitude is that the defensive coordinator takes care of the defense without being lorded over.

My praise for Johnson is based off continually winning with substantially less talent than every other team in D1-A and probably half the teams in D-1AA. 300 colleges in the country won't look at a lineman who is less than 6'3", and he's got a three-year starter who's 5'11".
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Dude, I don't think anyone is crying about a boring, predictable offense as much as the fact that we are not winning. I don't care what kind of offense they put on the field (option, spread, run-and-shoot, single wing) as long as it contributes to us winning. The offense is stale however, and only scored 13 points against Florida. That's less points scored than the Hulk's Ole Miss team, even Troy State, scored against them.
 
#32
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NU's problem really was that it was getting harder and harder to find quality athletes to run that offense. They went from Tommy Frazier to Scott Frost to Eric Crouch to Jamal Lord. Jamal Lord was as bad as they come.

Completely different situation than UT. Our issues are coaching the guys we have up and keeping top shelf talent on both sides of the ball, among other things.
 
#33
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I wish Florida would have took your advice before letting Zook walk right out the door. What were they thinking?
 
#34
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I just want to know why everyone thinks that a new head coach=National Title and all kinds of other stuff.

Does anyone one really believe that the FOOTBALL GODS will just shine down on UT right away with a new coach.???
 
#35
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The whole Israel and a king thing has to do with the nation's rejection of a theocracy. Yahweh was intended to be their king, they weren't to be like the other nations who had kings. Rejection of CPF hardly compares.
 
#36
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Vol1229 said:
I just want to know why everyone thinks that a new head coach=National Title and all kinds of other stuff.

Does anyone one really believe that the FOOTBALL GODS will just shine down on UT right away with a new coach.???
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we don't know what the future holds, but I do know that the likelihood of improvement against the better SEC programs if we keep the current staff is extremely remote. Nobody's asking for immediate turnaround. We're asking for hope.
 
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jkell24 said:
I wish Florida would have took your advice before letting Zook walk right out the door. What were they thinking?
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Florida also had a chance to get a true offensive genius in Urban Meyer. If there were someone like that out there right now who wanted to come to UT, I wouldn't be casting a warning.

volinasheville said:
The whole Israel and a king thing has to do with the nation's rejection of a theocracy. Yahweh was intended to be their king, they weren't to be like the other nations who had kings. Rejection of CPF hardly compares.
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Hardly the point. Samuel's warning was based not on the covenant curses of what would happen with the rejection of the theocracy, but on the earthly reality of what Israel would be like if they had a king like everyone else did.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Florida also had a chance to get a true offensive genius in Urban Meyer. If there were someone like that out there right now who wanted to come to UT, I wouldn't be casting a warning.



Hardly the point. Samuel's warning was based not on the covenant curses of what would happen with the rejection of the theocracy, but on the earthly reality of what Israel would be like if they had a king like everyone else did.
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Never mentioned the covenant curses, only that the comparison to football at UT is ludicrous.
 
#41
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I hate to pump up Arkansas State, but they are in fact the same team that held Texas to 117 yards rushing.
 
#42
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kptvol said:
Foster managed 4.8 yards per carry. He also did it while the game was still undecided. Coker came in during the second half.
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Now you're just making stuff up. Coker and Foster both played all 4 qtrs.

The game was still undecided into the 4th qtr.

Coker average 6.7 yds/carry and also had about 50 yds receiving.

Both players played the whole game.
 
#43
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Liper said:
Now you're just making stuff up. Coker and Foster both played all 4 qtrs.

The game was still undecided into the 4th qtr.

Coker average 6.7 yds/carry and also had about 50 yds receiving.

Both players played the whole game.
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As I recall, Coker came in for one of the early series, then didn't see much action until the second half. It's hard to tell with the crappy PPV coverage. Regardless, I refuse to use a performance against Arkansas State as validation of anything.
 
#44
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kptvol said:
As I recall, Coker came in for one of the early series, then didn't see much action until the second half. It's hard to tell with the crappy PPV coverage. Regardless, I refuse to use a performance against Arkansas State as validation of anything.
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Coker had 24 yds/rec and 48 yds/rush in 1st half.
 
#49
#49
...or Sterling Henton over Andy Kelly.

...or James Stewart over Charlie Garner.

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