Firing Philip Fulmer was the worst mistake a major program has ever made

#76
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VolsSportsFan said:
You can argue Fulmer should have been given another year to try and fix things.

But the people acting like he would have returned us to the 90s are spouting pure fantasy. Fulmer would have lasted maybe 2 more seasons at best.
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The East decline started with Fulmer leaving Tennessee
 
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ajvol01 said:
What's our SEC record since Fulmer left?

2009 4-4
2010 3-5
2011 1-7
2012 1-7
2013 2-6
2014 3-5
2015 5-3
2016 4-4
2017 0-6

23-47
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And that means Hamilton effed up the replacement; it doesn’t mean Fulmer was going to be great.

Not to mention this is all hindsight 20/20 stuff; had Fulmer stayed and gone 7-5, 8-4, people would have been crying for us to fire him. You can’t judge then based on what is happening now, it was a totally different mindset.
 
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SpiritOfNeyland said:
period.
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You are correct. Worst decision in 50 years of Tennessee football.

Anyone arguing is doing so from emotion and trying to rationalize their fairly incontrovertible wrongness. Brains on par with a sack of hammers.

Phil wasn't as great as Saban, Spurrier, Meyer. But he wouldn't be losing to Muschamp, Mason, and Sharkboy. To think how low the SEC is now, especially the East, relative to even 2008.

Now we are in real, real danger. Anything less than Gruden, even Dan Mullen who has done great things at Miss State, and we're toast for another decade.

Gruden or many of us will spend the last half of our lives without a Tennessee championship.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And that means Hamilton effed up the replacement; it doesn’t mean Fulmer was going to be great.

Not to mention this is all hindsight 20/20 stuff; had Fulmer stayed and gone 7-5, 8-4, people would have been crying for us to fire him. You can’t judge then based on what is happening now, it was a totally different mindset.
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And that would have been wrong then. And there would have been rationale non-idiots letting people know they were being stupid for firing one of our greatest coaches.

This is indefensible and the idiot trolls who are probably secretly just fans of chaos/Florida/bama should just quit. Give up their Tennessee fandom
And get the **** out. You are what is wrong with our program.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And that means Hamilton effed up the replacement; it doesn’t mean Fulmer was going to be great.

Not to mention this is all hindsight 20/20 stuff; had Fulmer stayed and gone 7-5, 8-4, people would have been crying for us to fire him. You can’t judge then based on what is happening now, it was a totally different mindset.
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I think at a minimum they should have given him another year to fix it.

Compared to what we've seen since that seems like the most reasonable choice that could have been made.
 
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The game of football passed up Fulmer and Tom Osborne, That is why both were let go. And just curious what other big time program offered either one a HC job, I will hang up and listen?:popcorn:
 
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OrebankVol said:
The game of football passed up Fulmer and Tom Osborne, That is why both were let go. And just curious what other big time program offered either one a HC job, I will hang up and listen?:popcorn:
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Tom Osborne retired and became Nebraska AD.

Thanks for calling:crazy:
 
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Firing Fulmer wasn’t the problem... it was the hires after the hire. I mean kiffin was the best we could do? Please.
 
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ajvol01 said:
23-47 = 33% is bad? What qualifies as horrible?

29-21 = 58% doesn't seem so bad in comparison.
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Neat. So now we are going to switch back and forth on the SEC and overall records. This seems like a fun way to continue a futile argument. Peace.
 
#93
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SpiritOfNeyland said:
And that would have been wrong then. And there would have been rationale non-idiots letting people know they were being stupid for firing one of our greatest coaches.

This is indefensible and the idiot trolls who are probably secretly just fans of chaos/Florida/bama should just quit. Give up their Tennessee fandom
And get the **** out. You are what is wrong with our program.
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So, now it's a covert, false-flag operation by fans of opposing teams. And now those "idiot trolls" would like to derail our ascension by firing Jones. And they're all telling our Best Athletic Administration in America what to do because they lack the acumen to think for themselves.

That's delirious.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
You are correct. Worst decision in 50 years of Tennessee football.

Anyone arguing is doing so from emotion and trying to rationalize their fairly incontrovertible wrongness. Brains on par with a sack of hammers.

Phil wasn't as great as Saban, Spurrier, Meyer. But he wouldn't be losing to Muschamp, Mason, and Sharkboy. To think how low the SEC is now, especially the East, relative to even 2008.

Now we are in real, real danger. Anything less than Gruden, even Dan Mullen who has done great things at Miss State, and we're toast for another decade.

Gruden or many of us will spend the last half of our lives without a Tennessee championship.
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I thought TN wanted to compete for Championships? How do you do that if you acknowledge that Spurrier, Saban, and Meyer are all superior coaches to Phil? Also while we’re at it what was Phil’s record when he didn’t have Cutcliffe as OC? Cutcliffe was the brains of the operation.

No the worst decision TN ever made was hiring Mike Hamilton. That garden gnome killed every TN athletic program. Not just football. TN still hasn’t recovered from the mess he created.
 
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TAF said:
1st I've heard of this...

no...really...it is as stupid as the statement was in 2008...THANKS for 10 WHOLE YEARS...of STUPID!
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He is right I would take Fulmer hiring new OC and DC's who are top in country over Kiffen, Dooley and Botch. 10 years of their BS yeah I would have taken my chances with phil and new assistants any day knowing what I know now. 10 years of Damn it
 
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