Fire Fulmer.

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jackcrevol said:
Seriously, Phil hired Kellie Harper, fixed baseball, and got us through with most other sports.
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Tony Vitello was hired by Currie. Much like his rise to HC, Phil has gotten to take advantage of someone else's work in terms of the Diamond Vols' success.

Kellie Harper has yet to prove she can return the Lady Vols to prominence, and though Kellie is one of my all-time favorite players, her record as head coach has been underwhelming, in particular her NC State tenure, where she flamed out. She got a reprieval with Missouri State's Cinderella Sweet 16 run before Fulmer brought her back. IMHO her hiring was underwhelming, VFL or not.

Didn't Phil give Holly Warlick an extension and raise at the start of the season in which she was fired?
 
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Lilcarl731 said:
Are people underestimating Fulmer? I mean who’s to say he’s not gonna fire Pruitt tomorrow with cause to save buyout? Maybe it didn’t happen today because Pruitt was attending family funeral?
If what they say about him being too stubborn is true I say get rid of him. But I’m not ready to turn on coach fulmer...he may be a lot of things but we know his passion for winning is true
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Yep, guarantee you this, Fulmer will Fulmer. .lol

`tee
 
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peerless98 said:
You mean like in 2007, his last full year before being fired, when they went 10-4 and finished 12th in the country with a win over GA, a trip to the SECC games, and a bowl win?

Or 2006 when they went 9-4 (5-3 in SEC) and finished in the top 23 with wins over GA and Bama and a 1 point loss to Florida?
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Ohh please. He got smoked by Florida in 07 and beat by 3 TDS by a Bama team that lost to LA- Monroe two weeks later. He made the SECCG because SCs kicker hit the crossbar with a GW FG and he survived a 4 OT game with KY. That 07 season was fools gold, and should have been the 2nd sign that he couldn’t do **** without Cutcliffe.
 
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utvols74 said:
Fulmer lost games b/c the game past him by (and b/c the quality of coaches in the SEC improved dramatically).

Fulmer hired Pruitt b/c he secretly admires Alabama and wants UT back in that space. Pruitt is a defense/run guy - so is Fulmer. They're cut from the same cloth. Old school.

Fulmer will never hire a "west-coast", "pro-style", etc. head coach. That is not in his DNA which is one reason why he got fired from UT in 2008.
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You have no idea what your talking about. Phil was an offensive guy
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Ohh please. He got smoked by Florida in 07 and beat by 3 TDS by a Bama team that lost to LA- Monroe two weeks later. He made the SECCG because SCs kicker hit the crossbar with a GW FG and he survived a 4 OT game with KY. That 07 season was fools gold, and should have been the 2nd sign that he couldn’t do **** without Cutcliffe.
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We sure have been much better without him, huh?
 
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peerless98 said:
You mean like in 2007, his last full year before being fired, when they went 10-4 and finished 12th in the country with a win over GA, a trip to the SECC games, and a bowl win?

Or 2006 when they went 9-4 (5-3 in SEC) and finished in the top 23 with wins over GA and Bama and a 1 point loss to Florida?
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Yes, those two seasons when David Cutcliffe briefly returned and provided Fulmer a cloak of respectability to hide the decline.
But then again, a large percentage of Fulmer’s accomplishments were based on Cutcliffe’s hard work. He was the true architect of Tennessee’s late 90s run IMHO.
 
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peerless98 said:
We sure have been much better without him, huh?
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Well about 50% of that is due to the fact that his handpicked AD picked Kiffin over several qualified coaches, negotiated an exceptionally low buyout and then when the predicable happened, played dumb games with Cutcliffe and ended up with Dooley. We don’t suck at football because we fired Phil Fulmer. We suck because we keep making stupid mistakes, namely making him the AD.
 
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While I'm grateful for what CPF did for Tennessee football, he's monumentally unqualified to be AD. I believe the days in which you can fill the AD role with the old football coach are in the past. There are a few out there (Saban, Meyer) that MIGHT have the skill set required, but there aren't many. I'd call out two issues with Fulmer, the first of which should be grounds for swift termination.
  • The recent extension given to Pruitt . . . no competent AD would have been so foolish, and it's left the university in a terrible position should it need to make a move on the current staff.
  • Fulmer's insistence that we needed a defensive coach when he hired Pruitt . . . I'm not going to claim to have known how the game was evolving at that point, so that sounded OK to me, but I think it's reasonable to expect an AD at a school like Tennessee to possess some foresight and vision. Fulmer's being paid a lot of money to recognize how college football is changing and guide Tennessee accordingly. My perception, though, is that he's a "do what I've always done" kind of guy. He managed to go in the exact opposite direction the game was going with his approach to that hire.
I don't have much hope that Tennessee football will recover until the university takes a professional approach to selecting a capable AD.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No. Firing him as coach was what started this mess we've been in for more than a decade. Firing him as AD will make everything that comes next exponentially harder.

He's a bright fella, he understands both the sport and the business, he loves the University with every fiber of his being. He's absolutely the right person for that job.

Leave him the hell alone.
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You seem to be missing one small detail of this equation: he botched, catastrophically, cataclysmically, the most important hire has had made thus far; then he doubled down and turbo-charged his f-up by extending said f-up, putting us at this juncture.

This isn't a Turner Classic Movie where all that matters is a good heart and love of a good buffet. People are getting paid millions of dollars to pull from the flames this football program that was once one of the most storied in the land, and they're doing an all-world ****** job of it, and in the real world, that's not okay, skippy.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
You seem to be missing one small detail of this equation: he botched, catastrophically, cataclysmically, the most important hire has had made thus far; then he doubled down and turbo-charged his f-up by extending said f-up, putting us at this juncture.

This isn't a Turner Classic Movie where all that matters is a good heart and love of a good buffet. People are getting paid millions of dollars to pull from the flames this football program that was once one of the most storied in the land, and they're doing an all-world ****** job of it, and in the real world, that's not okay, skippy.
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lifeisdeep said:
You seem to be missing one small detail of this equation: he botched, catastrophically, cataclysmically, the most important hire has had made thus far; then he doubled down and turbo-charged his f-up by extending said f-up, putting us at this juncture.

This isn't a Turner Classic Movie where all that matters is a good heart and love of a good buffet. People are getting paid millions of dollars to pull from the flames this football program that was once one of the most storied in the land, and they're doing an all-world ****** job of it, and in the real world, that's not okay, skippy.
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Second small detail. He was willing to let one of the best basketball hires in the history of UT walk to UCLA, until cooler heads prevailed and saved the day.

Yet, a 3 and effing 7 football coach with NCAA issues gets a ringing endorsement.

Incompetence. Plain and simple.
 
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The job of an athletic director is to plan, coordinate, and lead. Just what is Fulmer's plan to get us out of this mess? Does he have a plan to sell to the administration and boosters? If he does, then why are they not buying what you are selling?

You can scream all you want about Hamilton, Bama Dave, and Currie.

But you are in charge big boy and time to stop this program from taking on water. It is sinking faster now than when you took over. If you really love the program and the university you would fix it now, or step aside and let someone who knows what they are doing take charge.

At least let someone who has a plan and the ability to sell it have a chance.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No. Firing him as coach was what started this mess we've been in for more than a decade. Firing him as AD will make everything that comes next exponentially harder.

He's a bright fella, he understands both the sport and the business, he loves the University with every fiber of his being. He's absolutely the right person for that job.

Leave him the hell alone.
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Literally one of the dumbest possible takes on the situation a person could reason out... You are genuinely stupid...
 
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cbrown said:
While I'm grateful for what CPF did for Tennessee football, he's monumentally unqualified to be AD. I believe the days in which you can fill the AD role with the old football coach are in the past. There are a few out there (Saban, Meyer) that MIGHT have the skill set required, but there aren't many. I'd call out two issues with Fulmer, the first of which should be grounds for swift termination.
  • The recent extension given to Pruitt . . . no competent AD would have been so foolish, and it's left the university in a terrible position should it need to make a move on the current staff.
  • Fulmer's insistence that we needed a defensive coach when he hired Pruitt . . . I'm not going to claim to have known how the game was evolving at that point, so that sounded OK to me, but I think it's reasonable to expect an AD at a school like Tennessee to possess some foresight and vision. Fulmer's being paid a lot of money to recognize how college football is changing and guide Tennessee accordingly. My perception, though, is that he's a "do what I've always done" kind of guy. He managed to go in the exact opposite direction the game was going with his approach to that hire.
I don't have much hope that Tennessee football will recover until the university takes a professional approach to selecting a capable AD.
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There was nothing wrong at all with hiring a defensive minded head coach. But there is tons wrong when said defensive coach will not let his OC run the offense without micromanagement like it appears Pruitt is doing to Chaney. And it’s not like said defensive coach is exactly impressing us with his ability to stop anyone’s passing game, especially over the middle. It is really past pathetic at this point
 
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