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[RDU VOL#14]

Why doesn't Pitt have the opportunity to match the offer?

I think there needs to be something other than NIL that allows for players to transfer . I don’t think you should be able transfer bc School X offered me more $. There needs to be reasonable rules that state Joe Smith transferred schools his senior year because 1) his coach left 2) He can pursue his major at School X 3) Family reasons etc… I think part of the old rules need to be incorporated with the new rules. There’s no perfect solution, but there can’t be this free for all without the attempt of trying to have some sort of rules built in.

 

[butchna]

I think there needs to be something other than NIL that allows for players to transfer . I don’t think you should be able transfer bc School X offered me more $. There needs to be reasonable rules that state Joe Smith transferred schools his senior year because 1) his coach left 2) He can pursue his major at School X 3) Family reasons etc… I think part of the old rules need to be incorporated with the new rules. There’s no perfect solution, but there can’t be this free for all without the attempt of trying to have some sort of rules built in.

Take it to the Supreme Court…somebody already did. No Genies were bottled in the making of this movie.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Take it to the Supreme Court…somebody already did. No Genies were bottled in the making of this movie.

I’m not saying limit the money. I just think that there should be something to change the dynamic of how all of this works.

 

[butchna]

I’m not saying limit the money. I just think that there should be something to change the dynamic of how all of this works.

I understand your motivation. It’s just not realistic. The NCAA is toothless.

 

[Remy]

No matter how you cut it, the SCOTUS has ruled the players are not employees nor are they slaves. They can make as much money as the free market can deliver to them via NIL.

 

[volfanbill]

No matter how you cut it, the SCOTUS has ruled the players are not employees nor are they slaves. They can make as much money as the free market can deliver to them via NIL.

And this will balance out over time. Rich people get rich by being smart. They won’t throw around their dollars forever

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Serious question, who has actually seen an ad or commercial using a college player to endorse a business or promote themselves? I know guys are selling tshirts and stuff like that . In my town I’ve seen Sam Howell and Wendell Moore rep Bojangles on Instagram. I’ve seen Trevor Keels rep Outback on Instagram and some medical device that promotes recovery from injury on a local commercial using the term “Keel Mode”. I know Hooker is repping student living, Fulky has Pal’s, Alontae had a cookie company and I think Matt Butler had some Knoxville wing place, I’ve seen Ukilelei from Clemson on a Dr. Pepper commercial, aside from autographs and some pictures isn’t this supposed to be the main idea behind NIL? I see these huge #s for athletes signing NIL deals, but I never see them using their Name, image or likeness to promote many products. What are you all seeing?

 

[05_never_again]

Serious question, who has actually seen an ad or commercial using a college player to endorse a business or promote themselves? I know guys are selling tshirts and stuff like that . In my town I’ve seen Sam Howell and Wendell Moore rep Bojangles on Instagram. I’ve seen Trevor Keels rep Outback on Instagram and some medical device that promotes recovery from injury on a local commercial using the term “Keel Mode”. I know Hooker is repping student living, Fulky has Pal’s, Alontae had a cookie company and I think Matt Butler had some Knoxville wing place, I’ve seen Ukilelei from Clemson on a Dr. Pepper commercial, aside from autographs and some pictures isn’t this supposed to be the main idea behind NIL? I see these huge #s for athletes signing NIL deals, but I never see them using their Name, image or likeness to promote many products. What are you all seeing?

From what I've seen, 99% of the NIL stuff guys have signed is social media promos. Bo Nix sitting at a table with a jug of Milo's iced tea, Fulky standing outside a Pal's, etc. Unless you're a Johnny Manziel, Trevor Lawrence, etc., most college players are going to have limited marketability beyond their own fanbase or local area.

The only one I've seen in a big national ad campaign is DJU, which is ironic because he had a terrible year last year and could end up being Exhibit A for why you don't sign unproven guys to large deals.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

From what I've seen, 99% of the NIL stuff guys have signed is social media promos. Bo Nix sitting at a table with a jug of Milo's iced tea, Fulky standing outside a Pal's, etc. Unless you're a Johnny Manziel, Trevor Lawrence, etc., most college players are going to have limited marketability beyond their own fanbase or local area.

The only one I've seen in a big national ad campaign is DJU, which is ironic because he had a terrible year last year and could end up being Exhibit A for why you don't sign unproven guys to large deals.

I was thinking the same thing . I wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something .

Edit: In the last 10 minutes It was brought to my attention via Big Game Boomer who Olivia Dunne was and why she is the most marketable athlete in the ncaa. I get it.

 

[butchna]

No matter how you cut it, the SCOTUS has ruled the players are not employees nor are they slaves. They can make as much money as the free market can deliver to them via NIL.

Here for it. I fought the narrative that college players got NOTHING in return for their sweat and blood playing a game. There were large numbers of kids who don’t sniff a college education with this opportunity and we’re talking 100’s of thousands of dollars in tuition alone per student. Combine that with books, food, tutoring, medical and countless other resources your average program invests in players who AREN’T major contributors…much less STARS. That being said, there’s BILLIONS of dollars being thrown in the pot for conferences to dole out to schools and the product doesn’t even really share in that largesse. The money they’re garnering is from boosters, fans and outside commercial entities and as long as there’s mass interest, that’ll always be available…as it always has been. Most complaining that this will ruin the college game shut out the fact that outside money has always been a prime factor in landing talent…now it’s simply legitimized. The product will always adjust to the market. The backup long-snapper will never command a six figure deal. Unless he has a YouTube channel and belts out underground bro country or rap hits.

 

[05_never_again]

Here for it. I fought the narrative that college players got NOTHING in return for their sweat and blood playing a game. There were large numbers of kids who don’t sniff a college education with this opportunity and we’re talking 100’s of thousands of dollars in tuition alone per student. Combine that with books, food, tutoring, medical and countless other resources your average program invests in players who AREN’T major contributors…much less STARS. That being said, there’s BILLIONS of dollars being thrown in the pot for conferences to dole out to schools and the product doesn’t even really share in that largesse. The money they’re garnering is from boosters, fans and outside commercial entities and as long as there’s mass interest, that’ll always be available…as it always has been. Most complaining that this will ruin the college game shut out the fact that outside money has always been a prime factor in landing talent…now it’s simply legitimized. The product will always adjust to the market. The backup long-snapper will never command a six figure deal. Unless he has a YouTube channel and belts out underground bro country or rap hits.

I'm all for NIL, but I still think that the only guys who got taken advantage of in college athletics are the superstars in football and basketball (the Tebows, Manziels, Zion Williamsons, etc.). I'd say over 95% of all the athletes playing college athletics, and 100% of the athletes in the sports that make no profit, get an awesome deal.

Out-of-state tuition at UT is currently sitting at $31,664/year. That's $126,656 over 4 years. Even in the earnings-producing sports, a benchwarmer, marginal player, or even a guy who starts for a year or two but wasn't a star gets a great deal. Those guys aren't creating $126k of additional revenue to their school (and if they play a sport other than football or basketball, they sure as hell aren't) over that 4 year period, but they are receiving a product worth that amount of money. And as you said, that isn't even including the value of the ancillary resources they get to use while there as well.

NIL needed to happen (what is the logic behind preventing the USF kicker, for example, from having a monetized YouTube channel?), but the narratives weaved by some in the pro-NIL camp about how college athletics is "slavery" and the like were always ridiculous.