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peaygolf said:
I seldom say “ I told ya so.”,,,,,,but I’ve been saying this out loud since this “pay” for players idea was brought up a decade ago. I stand by my belief, college athletics will be no more in 2040……
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Sad to say, but I agree with you & Finebaum. CFB IS on a slippery slope headed for oblivion.
 
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GAVol said:
What ability could they possibly have to limit what someone can make and why would you want anyone's earnings potential to be artificially limited?
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I agree with you, in part. Of course athletes should be able to earn money. But that isn't something that should fall under the domain of colleges and universities. It has been corrupting both the purpose and the management of the US tertiary educational system for too long and it's getting worse over time. As a regulatory body, the NCAA is now virtually defunct, which means corruption now rules college sports and that will only get worse when federal and state governments step into the fray.

In large swaths of modern college athletics, the coaches aren't educators and the athletes aren't students and this has very little to do with education, if it ever did. US colleges and universities should take this opportunity to extricate themselves from the business of being affiliated with and operating professional sports organizations at any level. Sell off the assets and the teams and let them operate as what they are, professional sporting leagues.
 
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GAVol said:
What ability could they possibly have to limit what someone can make and why would you want anyone's earnings potential to be artificially limited?
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It’s like the market cannot and will not correct this. Of course there was an overshoot, but one of the most profitable forms of entertainment is not dying in less than a decade.

Good grief people get all sky is falling when someone other than the schools start sharing in the benefits.

Now talk concussion/long term health liability and younger cultures lack of interest contracting the financial pie in the future, and I’ll listen.
 
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peaygolf said:
I seldom say “ I told ya so.”,,,,,,but I’ve been saying this out loud since this “pay” for players idea was brought up a decade ago. I stand by my belief, college athletics will be no more in 2040……
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College athletics as we knew it is no more right now. Don’t have to wait till 2040.
 
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sunnyvol79 said:
Paul Finebaum laments that ‘college football as we know it is on its last breath’., As much as I detest the Bama troll he is right that college football as we know it is dying and will be fully dead by 2030 or earlier. And the reason will be the NIL that is completely out of control and simply isn’t sustainable. Pandora’s box is now open and there is no coming back from this. It saddens me that my beloved and favorite sport that I have loved to watch is being destroyed right before our eyes.
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If it wasn't NIL it would be CTE.
 
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Meh, Finebaum and Bama are just upset Bama might lose their competitive advantage. Before Saban could hand out Dodge Chargers and get players, and be three deep at every position. Now with NIL those Chargers are nothing and with the transfer portal his five star sitting the bench behind two other five stars can go somewhere else to get playing time.

College football has been boring the last few years with the same four or five teams having a monopoly on the playoffs. Now maybe that will change.
 
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College football is worth MULTIPLE BILLIONS and networks are in cage matches to be allowed to offer more. This antiquated concept of college football DIED in the 70’s…at the latest.
 
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Shouldn’t have started paying coaches these ridiculous salaries and we wouldn’t be here. You got coaches making $10M/year now and they thought the players were going to continue to sit back and not want a piece of the pie. Now that we are here, I see the SEC disbanding from the NCAA within 5-10 years and becoming NFLjr, and I don’t have any issues with it. If you had asked me 5 years ago I would’ve been against it but times are changing. People can either prepare themselves for what’s coming or stop watching if you don’t like it.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Shouldn’t have started paying coaches these ridiculous salaries and we wouldn’t be here. You got coaches making $10M/year now and they thought the players were going to continue to sit back and not want a piece of the pie. Now that we are here, I see the SEC disbanding from the NCAA within 5-10 years and becoming NFLjr, and I don’t have any issues with it. If you had asked me 5 years ago I would’ve been against it but times are changing. People can either prepare themselves for what’s coming or stop watching if you don’t like it.
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It's already NFL Jr. The best college teams (not just SEC teams) send 6-10 players a year straight into the NFL.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Shouldn’t have started paying coaches these ridiculous salaries and we wouldn’t be here. You got coaches making $10M/year now and they thought the players were going to continue to sit back and not want a piece of the pie. Now that we are here, I see the SEC disbanding from the NCAA within 5-10 years and becoming NFLjr, and I don’t have any issues with it. If you had asked me 5 years ago I would’ve been against it but times are changing. People can either prepare themselves for what’s coming or stop watching if you don’t like it.
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Yea. Should just give all the money to Sankey and Emmert. I’m 41 and college sports has been a business my whole life. This isn’t that big of a change
 
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05_never_again said:
I heard the same thing when the facilities arms races began in earnest in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Name me a time in the sport when money (because that's what you really mean by "greed") was not in play and the richest teams have not gotten all the top players.
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That amount of money is pedestrian compared to the NIL. I mean what team was it that recently said every scholarship player gets 25k for nothing more than getting the scholarship? That’s just one deal. A player can have multiple NIL deals. This is a far cry from the days of getting a bag of cash and maybe a car.

Wait another 5-7 years. 8-10 million dollar NIL deals will seem small. College football is dying.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Shouldn’t have started paying coaches these ridiculous salaries and we wouldn’t be here. You got coaches making $10M/year now and they thought the players were going to continue to sit back and not want a piece of the pie. Now that we are here, I see the SEC disbanding from the NCAA within 5-10 years and becoming NFLjr, and I don’t have any issues with it. If you had asked me 5 years ago I would’ve been against it but times are changing. People can either prepare themselves for what’s coming or stop watching if you don’t like it.
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This has little to do with coaches salary imo.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
That amount of money is pedestrian compared to the NIL. I mean what team was it that recently said every scholarship player gets 25k for nothing more than getting the scholarship? That’s just one deal. A player can have multiple NIL deals. This is a far cry from the days of getting a bag of cash and maybe a car.

Wait another 5-7 years. 8-10 million dollar NIL deals will seem small. College football is dying.
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Why do you have such a problem with players making money? Why is that such a terrible thing?
 
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05_never_again said:
Why do you have such a problem with players making money? Why is that such a terrible thing?
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I don’t necessarily have a problem with players getting paid. Although I feel if they are getting paid then they don’t deserve a full paid athletic scholarship. Just wait and see how negatively NIL will be on college football in the next 5-10 years. College football was completely fine before NIL.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I don’t necessarily have a problem with players getting paid. Although I feel if they are getting paid then they don’t deserve a full paid athletic scholarship. Just wait and see how negatively NIL will be on college football in the next 5-10 years. College football was completely fine before NIL.
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I wonder when the NFL owners might allow players to be drafted after one year of college ball similar to basketball. Perhaps in the near future it will be possible for a NIL deal to be more lucrative than a rookie contract for some players. We discuss the huge amounts of money involved with college football but the NFL is where the real money is. The NFL is perfectly content with college ball being their farm system that cost them nothing. That may change if the owners decide NIL is competing for players and pressuring rookie contracts upward.
I fear in the end the players will not like performing for AAA ball salaries paid by a NFL farm team. The full consequences of NIL remain unseen.
 
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tnutater said:
I wonder when the NFL owners might allow players to be drafted after one year of college ball similar to basketball. Perhaps in the near future it will be possible for a NIL deal to be more lucrative than a rookie contract for some players. We discuss the huge amounts of money involved with college football but the NFL is where the real money is. The NFL is perfectly content with college ball being their farm system that cost them nothing. That may change if the owners decide NIL is competing for players and pressuring rookie contracts upward.
I fear in the end the players will not like performing for AAA ball salaries paid by a NFL farm team. The full consequences of NIL remain unseen.
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The NFL will never sign off on that. In fact they’ve fought it all the way to the Supreme Court (Maurice Clarett). They definitely aren’t going to shake up their stable rookie scale for impatience over (at most ) one season of POTENTIAL. The elite are always going to favor entering the NFL to get the clock ticking towards the SECOND contract as soon as possible. The only vector that has changed with NIL is that players who previously needed money for their family/living situation, now have a financial incentive to stay and develop.
 
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butchna said:
The NFL will never sign off on that. In fact they’ve fought it all the way to the Supreme Court (Maurice Clarett). They definitely aren’t going to shake up their stable rookie scale for impatience over (at most ) one season of POTENTIAL. The elite are always going to favor entering the NFL to get the clock ticking towards the SECOND contract as soon as possible. The only vector that has changed with NIL is that players who previously needed money for their family/living situation, now have a financial incentive to stay and develop.
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Agree. I mean it’s completely different than the NBA. A sophomore in college would get destroyed in the NFL. Some might say there isn’t that much of a difference between a SO and JR but there is.
 
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05_never_again said:
I heard the same thing when the facilities arms races began in earnest in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Name me a time in the sport when money (because that's what you really mean by "greed") was not in play and the richest teams have not gotten all the top players.
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The top teams have got a lot of top players but not all the top p[layers and they have always received under the table money but not millions. Greed comes in because they must get their deal before they sign and players already signed will transfer to get a deal or transfer to get a better deal. We have gone from paying players for their likeness to 1 million deals before they set foot on campus in the course of 12 months. What will it be like in 12 more months? The playing field has been set on fire and it will burn out of control until there is nothing left. Who will stop it?
 
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Finebaum is right on the money (ha, ha, get it?). I've been telling my Vol friends we need to catch all the games we can right now, because we're at the end of the road. Glad Tennessee's going to Death Valley this year, been wanting to see the Vols play there at least once in my life. Sad we never got the Beer Barrel back in action, too. But it was fun while it lasted. Really, really fun.

There may be something later on, but it won't be college football, whatever it is, and I sure as hell am not interested in cheering for the Knoxville minor league football team. I don't think many are.
 
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VOLtaism said:
The top teams have got a lot of top players but not all the top p[layers and they have always received under the table money but not millions. Greed comes in because they must get their deal before they sign and players already signed will transfer to get a deal or transfer to get a better deal. We have gone from paying players for their likeness to 1 million deals before they set foot on campus in the course of 12 months. What will it be like in 12 more months? The playing field has been set on fire and it will burn out of control until there is nothing left. Who will stop it?
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The thing about under the table money is that nobody really knows, except the player and the person paying them, how much money they got. Did you watch the ESPN 30 for 30 about SMU? SMU boosters showed kids $50k cash just to sign with SMU, and this was in the early 80s. Families of players got houses. I bet the total value of items they received in their time at SMU was into the 7 figures. Reggie Bush and his family likely received gifts in excess of 7 figures during his time at USC. And that's just the stuff we know about.

The process has just started and people are still figuring it out. Just wait until it turns out one of these kids signing a big NIL deal really can't play and is a bust. The market will correct real quick. "New thing XYZ is going to end college sports!!" has been said forever.
 
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05_never_again said:
The thing about under the table money is that nobody really knows, except the player and the person paying them, how much money they got. Did you watch the ESPN 30 for 30 about SMU? SMU boosters showed kids $50k cash just to sign with SMU, and this was in the early 80s. Families of players got houses. I bet the total value of items they received in their time at SMU was into the 7 figures. Reggie Bush and his family likely received gifts in excess of 7 figures during his time at USC. And that's just the stuff we know about.

The process has just started and people are still figuring it out. Just wait until it turns out one of these kids signing a big NIL deal really can't play and is a bust. The market will correct real quick. "New thing XYZ is going to end college sports!!" has been said forever.
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Yes, I agree 100% and we will never know the true value given but it was still very limited and controlled just by the difficulty of hiding it. Different story now. Everyone is going to want cash and a lot of it. Linemen won't block for a guy making multi-millions when they make nothing or even $50K. I know they will be giving contracts and money to high school kids in the very near future to secure their recruitment. As you suggested, this is new, the agents will thing of thousands of ways to get what they want.
 
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