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PowerSweep said:
you understand there is a lot of space between mediocrity and winning a national title, right? FSU had been in the final top 5 every year for 10-12 yrs before they won..and fsu was a backwater with potential and nothing more when bowden took over. By year 3 I think it was he goes to nebraska and beats top 5 huskers, ends yr in orange bowl..

Can you think of ANY football coach who took over for a fired coach at a historical top 10-15 school like ut(I would say we are 10th overall) and who was successful at that school but DIDN'T have it rolling by year 3?

Since this is the premise of your post I would bet you have lots of examples..I will await your response.
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I would still like to see one more season from CBJ, but I am having a hard time disagreeing with your point here.
 
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Finebaum is right--but otherwise why do we care what pundits say? Let's not burn down our own house, eh?
 
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PowerSweep said:
you understand there is a lot of space between mediocrity and winning a national title, right? FSU had been in the final top 5 every year for 10-12 yrs before they won..and fsu was a backwater with potential and nothing more when bowden took over. By year 3 I think it was he goes to nebraska and beats top 5 huskers, ends yr in orange bowl..

Can you think of ANY football coach who took over for a fired coach at a historical top 10-15 school like ut(I would say we are 10th overall) and who was successful at that school but DIDN'T have it rolling by year 3?

Since this is the premise of your post I would bet you have lots of examples..I will await your response.
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Not saying I disagree with your point but define successful. Johnny Majors?
 
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PowerSweep said:
you understand there is a lot of space between mediocrity and winning a national title, right? FSU had been in the final top 5 every year for 10-12 yrs before they won..and fsu was a backwater with potential and nothing more when bowden took over. By year 3 I think it was he goes to nebraska and beats top 5 huskers, ends yr in orange bowl..

Can you think of ANY football coach who took over for a fired coach at a historical top 10-15 school like ut(I would say we are 10th overall) and who was successful at that school but DIDN'T have it rolling by year 3?

Since this is the premise of your post I would bet you have lots of examples..I will await your response.
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My point is that we are very reactionary in this day and age. I don't think Butch is a bad coach, I think there are speed bumps that occur with every program. Not denying Saturday night was a mountain and not a mole hill, it was awful. I'm not throwing in the towel here, I think it would be stupid to do so. I like Clay Travis and agree a lot with what he says, but I think he's incorrect about firing Butch. So there's my response.

Edit: Bobby Bowden didn't achieve that run of multiple top tens until 1987, 11 years into his tenure. My point is that there is a lot of football to played and learning to take place. I don't like the current landscape of sports and believe coaches should be given opportunities to succeed. If Bowden, Dean Smith and K coached in this environment they never would've made it, but instead they are legends.
 
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southgatevol said:
Not saying I disagree with your point but define successful. Johnny Majors?
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yeah..good one..that was the only one I had in mind when I posed the question, and his inclusion is arguable though I would agree with it. Can't think of another though in the past 40-50 yrs though there might be one or two..
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
My point is that we are very reactionary in this day and age. I don't think Butch is a bad coach, I think there are speed bumps that occur with every program. Not denying Saturday night was a mountain and not a mole hill, it was awful. I'm not throwing in the towel here, I think it would be stupid to do so. I like Clay Travis and agree a lot with what he says, but I think he's incorrect about firing Butch. So there's my response.
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so you think something is going to happen at ut with butch jones that you can't recall ever happening anywhere else..oookay
 
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bamawriter said:
In this instance, Finebaum is spot on.
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Let's see...Bama was a mess during the Shula years...

Saban's 1st team was bad but THROTTLED UT's SEC East winning team

Year 2...Saban has Bama ranked #1 and in a "playoff" game for the NC.

Year 3...Saban wins the NC.

Ever since...at or near the very top

No, it can take as few as 2 years. For backup, see Ohio St. under Urban.
 
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Wasn't this comment made months ago? Why bring it up again?

There's a difference between building a sustainable program and a team
 
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Boca Vol said:
Let's see...Bama was a mess during the Shula years...

Saban's 1st team was bad but THROTTLED UT's SEC East winning team

Year 2...Saban has Bama ranked #1 and in a "playoff" game for the NC.

Year 3...Saban wins the NC.

Ever since...at or near the very top

No, it can take as few as 2 years. For backup, see Ohio St. under Urban.
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2 years is actually the norm..bob stoops 2nd yr nat'l title after 5-5-1/3-8/5-6/4-8 the 4 yrs before he got there

carroll 2nd yr orange bowl win top 5 finish after 23 losses in the 4 yrs before he arrived

harbaugh contending f nat'l title yr 2..

this talk about it taking 4-5 yrs is retarded
 
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Honestly, why does anyone put any stock in what Finebaum says? Why is he suddenly an expert.
 
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PowerSweep said:
2 years is actually the norm..bob stoops 2nd yr nat'l title after 5-5-1/3-8/5-6/4-8 the 4 yrs before he got there

carroll 2nd yr orange bowl win top 5 finish after 23 losses in the 4 yrs before he arrived

harbaugh contending f nat'l title yr 2..

this talk about it taking 4-5 yrs is retarded
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You make it seem like it's so simple to win a title or get to the playoff. It's not.
 
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So long as Saban is at Bama, we may not build a championship team. If we have to play them twice to get there.....
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I'm not defending Saturday night, it was pathetic and I'm just as pissed as anyone else, but we can't lose all perspective here. It took Bobby Bowden 23 years to win the national title as a head coach, it took Dean Smith 21 years to win a national title, it took Coach K 16 years as a head coach to win a title. Winning comes with time, it's not accepting mediocrity, but having the patience to see potential moving forward. I think making a change would be catastrophic for our fan base and program, mostly because I'm incredibly excited about next years team.
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You say this every year dontcha
 
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PowerSweep said:
2 years is actually the norm..bob stoops 2nd yr nat'l title after 5-5-1/3-8/5-6/4-8 the 4 yrs before he got there

carroll 2nd yr orange bowl win top 5 finish after 23 losses in the 4 yrs before he arrived

harbaugh contending f nat'l title yr 2..

this talk about it taking 4-5 yrs is retarded
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How many NC does Stoops have after that first one?
 
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Winners can make conference title game in 3yrs or less. Losers snatch defeat from jaws of victory and take 7 yrs and come up with excuses!
 
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PowerSweep said:
2 years is actually the norm..bob stoops 2nd yr nat'l title after 5-5-1/3-8/5-6/4-8 the 4 yrs before he got there

carroll 2nd yr orange bowl win top 5 finish after 23 losses in the 4 yrs before he arrived

harbaugh contending f nat'l title yr 2..

this talk about it taking 4-5 yrs is retarded
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I love truth! Thank you. Didn't dude get texas back up aafterbeing mediocre through the 90s. Saban got lsu back up in 3 or 4 yrs
 
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