Finebaum ranks Dooley 10th among SEC coaches

Well, if we're doing coach rankings ...

1. Saban. Can win with average talent. Can win with superior talent. Can get superior talent. Can outsmart most coaches on the field. Really, the only competition this guy has for best coach of the past decade is Pete Carroll.

2. Spurrier. Hard to deny that the ole' ball coach has built a top-notch program at two different schools.

3. Muschamp. I'm impressed by him thus far. Maybe this will turn out to be too high after we see more of him, but for now, I'd put him 3.

4. Les Miles. I'm actually not totally sure what to think of Les Miles. He's a great recruiter. He's had great coordinators throughout most of his career. He doesn't appear to be that great of a game strategist. His first NC was built on Saban's foundation. He deserves credit for nearly winning a second one (if it weren't for Saban). Would I take him here at Tennessee? In a heartbeat! But I'm still ranking him lower than Saban, Spurrier, and Muschamp.

5. Dan Mullen. He's winning at Mississippi State --- the second worst program in the SEC.

6. Mark Richt.
Underrated, but still middle of the pack for the SEC. A very good coach, but not a great coach, but he's been the most successful coach at UGa since Dooley. Should have won a national championship in 2002-3 season, if it weren't for the BCS's bias against teams that played strong schedules (e.g. all of the SEC).

7. Sumlin. May deserve to be higher, but need more time to see. Early results look promising. Btw, with the exception of maybe Florida, Texas A&M now has the best recruiting position in the nation. The only thing holding them back before was being unable to differentiate themselves from Texas.

8. Freeze. Really difficult to rank this guy, because there's not much data. He won at Arkansas State, but he was only there for one year. He won at Lambeth, but it's NAIA. From what I can see, he seems to be a good coach, but really difficult to say for sure.

9. Dooley. Jury is still out on Dooley. For now, I'm putting him at #9. He's been great at building the program, but just don't know if he can coach at this level. Even if he fails at UT, I still think he has a bright future at a mid-major program.

10. Pinkle. Good coach or great coach? Difficult to say. Good coaches are "average" in the SEC.

11. Franklin. Will take awhile to assess him, but I still think he looks like a pretty good coach. May be ranked much higher than this when all is said and done, but will take a few more seasons to know.

12. Chizik. Never really thought he was a good coach. Actually, I'd peg him as a Phillip Fulmer type coach, who can recruit, and can win when he has the right staff, but seems to fall on his face without great assistants. He won an NC, but wouldn't have done it without Malzahn at OC or Tubberville's recruits. (There was Cam Newton, as well, but wouldn't ignore some of the guys on that defense.)

13. Phillips.
Out of his league. Not actually a bad coach, but not a good administrator, so the program will continue to decline with him.

14. Smith. I know it's not easy, but I almost think some of us could have walked into that situation at Arkansas and done a better job than this guy. I'm exaggerating a bit, but he really does seem like he's in way over his head. He was a below-average Big 10 coach, and an even more bottom-of-the-pack SEC coach. Oh, and he can't manage his financial affairs either. $40 million in debt? Are you kidding me?
 
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I wouldn't trade Dooley for 10 Saban's!! (In reference to Pat Dye's idiotic comment about Chizik)

1. Saban (hands down)
2. Spurrier (no comment; legend)
3. Richt (needs to win the big ones)
4. Miles (maybe its all talent?)
5. Muschamp (has proven a lot)
6. Sumlin (doing really well first year)
7. Mullen (beat some good teams)
8. Dooley (needs to prove himself)
9. Pinkel (first year pass, I guess?)
10. Chizik (mediocre without Newton)
11. Freeze (needs more talent/depth)
12. Franklin (see above)
13. Phillips (a joke)
14. Smith (no comment)
 
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1.Saban
2.Spurrier
3.Miles
4.Richt
5.Mullen
6.Muschamp
7.Chizik
8.Sumlin
9.Dooley
10.Pinkel
11.Franklin
12.Freeze
13.Phillips
14.Smith
 
I admit I'm surprised at MO. Not about last week. I think losing Franklin is akin to us losing Bray.
Not really. Berkstresser is a very good QB in his own right. Franklin is somewhat overrated though he was off to a good start in that game. Berkstresser led Mizzou to their only impressive win of the season over ASU. ASU is 4-1 and leading the Pac 12 South.

Still, Pinkel is one of the highly regarded coaches so yeah as it turned out I'm very surprised.
He's in shock. IMO, he did not realize how much talent difference there really is top to bottom from what he had seen in the old Big 12. Many in Missouri expected Vandy to be the B12 equivalent of KU or ISU.

As to the current rankings, obviously my listing wasn't intended to be unbiased either. I think CDD is learning on the job and making a fair number of mistakes but I don't have a complete loss of faith in his ability to grow into the job. Others lack of patience may win out but I'm not eager to see a change at the top just for change's sake. I think we're moving in the right direction, albeit a bit too slow for many in the fanbase, but I do think the trajectory is somewhat promising. The only question in my mind is when and if we peak and start sliding significantly into reverse. I guess I would be more inclined to throw in the towel then too.
Oh. I misread you. Now I disagree to the other side of you. I do not think DD can get more time unless he does something to prove he belongs in the SEC. Maybe he can grow with time. UT doesn't have time because no one else is sitting still.

IMHO, recruiting will be hurt if he does not get a signature win this year. While I don't really think USCe constitutes a signature win... most media types and recruits probably would. Bama would be great. MSU IMO isn't even close. If he exits the season on the hot seat then I think his fate is pretty well sealed. He would need a HUGE miracle in '13 to survive.

My expectation is that we win this week, at least compete with Bama & USCe and then win out. That really is not a small task yet I think CDD loses even more support absent that minimum level of performance.
I won't be satisfied with 8-4 unless one of those wins is USCe or Bama. Otherwise he will just have beaten the teams he should have beaten.

MSU is undefeated against a schedule with only one winning record and a combined record of 8-19. They're certainly improved and good enough to beat UT... but the Vols should win.
 
....Oh. I misread you....

Maybe because I responded to your reponse to another poster? I was actually responding primarily to your comment about MO. I actually won on the MO/ASU matchup but I didn't see the game or check back on it except for the final score. I was under the impression Franklin had played that game. I lost on the Vandy/MO game so I needed an "excuse". :)
 
Well, if we're doing coach rankings ...

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2. Spurrier. Hard to deny that the ole' ball coach has built a top-notch program at two different schools.

Spurrier IMHO is the Best.
You forget that would be 3 schools. He turned Duke into a winner. He brought Duke to UT and beat UT long before he went to Florida. If you can make Duke a winner, you must be good.
 
Damn this sucks.. For how much money were dishing out to our staff we need more than a tier 3 or tier 4 coach.. Hope were headin in the right direction. For once Finebaum may actually be somewhat accurate.
 
As usual, people responding to my post with little or no reading comprehension. I dont care about Miles resume. I said in my post if we wanted to list them based on resume then we can do that. But there is certainly no debating a list that just puts them in order based on winning percentage. I think if Miles was given the same hand to play with as every other coach he would be a middle of the road head coach. I dont think that is a far fetched opinion.

I thought wins and losses mattered in a results oriented field like coaching? Huh I guess I was wrong.
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At least the guy that took over for him is 5-0 and ranked in year 3, or was it year 0 when he took over?

This whole Dooley experiment is such a joke.

You must have missed the thread where the Dooley defenders stated that Dooley get credit for Sonney Dykes wins at La Tech.
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If I was given this list of coaches to pick from on the one I want. CDD is no better than 12th on the list. Joker and Smith are the only two I would take CDD over at this point.
 
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