Financial Mismanagement by UTAD..

[MemphisVol77]

I like this idea. Does it work for you?

Yes & no.

The No:
From on insisting on 3 months severance I've only been able to get 1 months severance gauranteed and that is voided if I quit, put up a notice, or am fired for disciplinary reasons. Tennessee is an at-will employment state, so if I'm let go for any other reason; performance, budget cut, downsizing, or a Big Shot just doesn't like me I have a little security blanket. Not really "works for me" per say but it's a concession.

The Yes:
Most of the no compete clauses usually state I can't hire any of their employee's for 2 years after I leave. Sometimes within a 12mile radius as well. In not getting my 3 month severance and conceding to receive only 1 months severance I get them to knock the no compete stipulations down to 3months no hireing their employee's and or that I won't employee them within a 2mile radius.

Lots of companies, whether it be retail merchandise, restaurants, skilled laborer mechanics, shop formen etc... really try to inhibit their management's ability to advance their career's or make lateral moves for better pay through those no compete clauses. One of the first questions they will be asked before being hired and asked to sign the clause is; do you have people you may be able to bring with you?

Human resources is hardly ever on your side. Being human merely qualifies you for HR's oversight as you're just a resource they manage in the companies interest.

BTW, I have a lawyer friend help me with understanding the contracts and drafting revision letters. I grasp the concepts, not the intricacies. A retarded monkey with a crayon could do better on his own than me.

 

[JFreak]

The guy Colorado hired instead of Butch is significantly better than Butch, so I find it pretty damn difficult to believe he was the best guy we could have found.

And he wanted the job because he knew damn well he was never getting another offer from a program with the prestige of Tennessee.

"That guy" (Mike MacIntyre) you're talking about has a record of 20-29 at Colorado in 4 seasons. He would have been run out of this state with barely the clothes on his back by week 6 of his first season. Once Washington wipes the floor with Colorado in Santa Clara this weekend, CU will be off the map again.

 

[MemphisVol77]

I called you a troll awhile back in regards to a post you made about Debord. Sorry bout that. I totally agree with your performance stipulations. I actually just mentioned it in another thread. Buyouts, it appears, gives the coach leverage. Hermann just attempted to play LSU like a fiddle using Texas. I'm sure LSU felt that way. UT does utilize some incentive bonuses now and our coaches lost money by not winning the east and by not getting to the sugar bowl. By getting a bowl bid they still get a bonus which I think is 5-7% less than the "6 major bowls." Needs to be more performance based pay and less yearly salary IMO, but you have the injury situation wreaking havoc and giving coaches "a way out." College Football is big business,no doubt.

No worries my man. I was really heavy on the sarcasm with that post and after lurking off and on for years I'm still just a newly registered member here.

This site definitely gets its share of trolls, and newly registered accounts with an inflammatory take are a red flag.

I've had one embarrassing post on Vol Nation get deleted (thanks mods & I'm sorry) for dropping F-bombs on trolls so I understand.

Between the snarky forum wit we all love, random trolls, uninformed "bless their hearts", dumb hypothesis's, and a few actual insiders; Its a given a passionate Vol Fan comes undone here & there.

 

[tvolsfan]

"That guy" (Mike MacIntyre) you're talking about has a record of 20-29 at Colorado in 4 seasons. He would have been run out of this state with barely the clothes on his back by week 6 of his first season. Once Washington wipes the floor with Colorado in Santa Clara this weekend, CU will be off the map again.

Look up the 2012 Colorado football team.

Edit: And I'm not saying I want him. But by winning their division, he has accomplished something Butch will never do here.

 

[Tin Man]

93 was my football number

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[BeecherVol]

"That guy" (Mike MacIntyre) you're talking about has a record of 20-29 at Colorado in 4 seasons. He would have been run out of this state with barely the clothes on his back by week 6 of his first season. Once Washington wipes the floor with Colorado in Santa Clara this weekend, CU will be off the map again.

He just won more games in one year than they won the 4 previous years before he got there.

Here that would be touted as an "upward trajectory".

 

[Tin Man]

The guy Colorado hired instead of Butch is significantly better than Butch, so I find it pretty damn difficult to believe he was the best guy we could have found.

And he wanted the job because he knew damn well he was never getting another offer from a program with the prestige of Tennessee.

MacIntyre may have east coast roots, but he was coaching out west from 2010. You overestimate the appeal of a bottomed-out Tennessee program and an Athletics Department bowed by burdensome debt and paying contracts of previously fired coaches.

 

[Tin Man]

...he has accomplished something Butch will never do here.

So, do you enter Butch's mind through an access door on the 7&1/2 floor?

 

[Tin Man]

Colorado under MacIntyre
2013: 4-8
2014: 2-10
2015: 4-9
2016: 10-2 (PAC south division)

Tennessee under Jones
2013: 5-7
2014: 6-6 (Taxslayer Bowl victory)
2015: 8-4 (Outback Bowl victory)
2016: 8-4 (Bowl invitation pending)

And, somehow, the very same Fire Butch! crew on VN would have been pleased as punch with MacIntyre 2013-2015...

Apples and oranges, boys 'n' girls. The PAC ain't the SEC. Though Colorado and Tennessee both have to recruit out-of-state, the pools from which they draw do not overlap that much.

As a recruiter, MacIntyre would have returned from three years in California cold on the trail in the fertile southeast. I doubt that he would have had as much success building Tennessee from 2013 as he's had at Colorado, where his west coast ties served him from the get go. East coast high school kids don't know tiddley about San Jose State.

 

[GAVol]

I just don't get buyouts for failing at your job. None of us gets one.

You'd get one if you were working under a contract and had a buyout clause for early termination.

 

[armchair]

You think we're the only school that has paid big money to an unsuccessful football coach? Get real. This happens to almost every university. It's the nature of the beast--and major-college football IS a pretty absurd, out-of-control beast. I'm amused at all the guys on this board who think it is so easy to hire a coach who will just waltz into the SEC and start dominating the competition. What planet are you on? Dooley WAS a terrible hire--he was not qualified for the UT job--but we were in tough situation when Kiffin left. Big goals are a good thing, but expectations should be realistic. It's why all the calls to sack Jones are stupid. Look at the big picture.

 

[volfan102455]

Colorado under MacIntyre
2013: 4-8
2014: 2-10
2015: 4-9
2016: 10-2 (PAC south division)

Tennessee under Jones
2013: 5-7
2014: 6-6 (Taxslayer Bowl victory)
2015: 8-4 (Outback Bowl victory)
2016: 8-4 (Bowl invitation pending)

And, somehow, the very same Fire Butch! crew on VN would have been pleased as punch with MacIntyre 2013-2015...

MacIntyre would have been fired in his second season if he survived the first with the 8 losses.

 

[volfan102455]

Mike Hamilton left a mess. The men's athletics department finances were in shambles. Hart inherited the dire situation, and it has influenced his decisions throughout his tenure.

Perhaps the dispirited posters to this thread hope for a new AD with a last name that doesn't begin with 'H?'

Most have forgotten (on purpose) how bad of a situation UT was actually in.

 

[Smallvol#1]

Hart kept Dooley after he wanted to walk.
Hart hired lyle after less than two hours.
Hart extended lyle's contract based on results anyone could have achieved based on the level of talent on the roster.
Hart hired Tyndall knowing FULL WELL he had more baggage than a Kardasian on a world tour.
Hart hired a washed up Barnes.

He's incompetent, has hired incompetents, should have never been hired himself, and should be released immediately.

But prepare for "We ain't got no money!" and "Who ya gunna get?"

But but but.....everyone loved hart just last year.....except for me a a few others, we said he was worthless....but the large majority thought he was great. Ain't history fun? Now everyone can rewrite last year any way they want.

Not knocking you, awebb, solid post and good synopsis. Just think it's funny how some people have changed directions. Once a loser, always a loser...dave hart. But then we do have hammy to sort of make him look better. The big question, is who's hiring these idiots? And booger and joe and oh no.........

 

[wmcovol]

You just figuring out how poor UTAD has been mismanaged?

A little late to the party my friend. Like 6 yrs too late.

 

[tvolsfan]

MacIntyre would have been fired in his second season if he survived the first with the 8 losses.

He wouldn't have lost that many games if he was here.

 

[volfan102455]

I just don't get buyouts for failing at your job. None of us gets one.

Unless you are an insider - and I doubt you are - you don't know what was in the contract. You don't know what expectations were set as part of the contract.

So you can't say someone failed at their job unless you were privy to the discussions around expectations.
I'm sure there is a long list of expectations in that contract that include much more than just winning a football game. All you can say is that Team 120 did not win the games that you as a fan expected them to win.

Also you can't take away what has been already agreed to. That is like the company you work for taking back incentives given to you last year because you sucked this year. A company does that they will get in trouble. Once given it is yours.

 

[volfan102455]

He wouldn't have lost that many games if he was here.

You really can't say that for sure. Just like I can't say that Jones would have had Colorado performing better quicker.

 

[volfan102455]

You'd get one if you were working under a contract and had a buyout clause for early termination.

This is true. These exist even in business at the top levels to protect both the company and the employee.

Some companies also use long term incentives to keep the top employees by tying the receipt of the monetary incentives to staying with the company for a certain number of years.

 

[TennesseeFan07]

So Hart knew Tyndall was getting a show cause and hired him anyways? Lol ok.. some real tin foil hat stuff there.

Tyndall blatantly lied in his introductory press conference at Tennessee. So, any rationale person could only imagine it would be a matter of time before he got caught for stuff that happened at Southern Miss, too.

 

[tennrich1]

...has caused us to be in an exceptionally poor situation because we have done an execrable job hiring football coaches.

For those that don't know, Derek Dooley gets his last paycheck from UT here in December. Derek Dooley. He of the $5 million buyout ($104,000 per month). And that doesn't even include the money paid for other expenses of the Dooley Era, vaunted as it was. Here's an article on the numbers:Tennessee faces critical hire after firing Derek Dooley

Notice this part from the article:

Dooley's firing and the buyout that now kicks in only add to that financial burden. The numbers are staggering. Here's the breakdown of what Dooley has cost and will continue to cost UT for his three years of employment:

•$5.7 million — combined salaries over three years.
•$5 million — buyout for termination.
•$500,000 — amount UT paid to Louisiana Tech to buy out Dooley's previous contract.
•$286,782 — UT's payment to the IRS for withholding taxes on Dooley's contract with Louisiana Tech.
•$50,000 — bonus for making the 2010 Music City Bowl.
•$100,000 — payment for team's achieving satisfactory academic progress over two years.


That adds up to $11,636,782, or an average of $3,878,927.33 a year.

Think about it. Based on those numbers, Dooley is the sixth-highest paid college football coach in the nation this season. Only Nick Saban ($5.3 million), Mack Brown($5.25 million), Bob Stoops ($5.05 million), Les Miles ($4.15 million) and Urban Meyer($4 million) make more in compensation from their schools.

For those keeping score, the combined records of those five coaches this season is 46-7. Dooley's record is 4-7.

All told, UT paid $775,785.46 for each of Dooley's 15 victories over the last three seasons.

Meanwhile, our genius AD, decided, in possibly the grossest example of administration financial malfeasance in UT admin history, to extend Jones' contract last year a put a $10 million buyout in place because 9 wins out of 13 is some kind of Lombardi-esque accomplishment these days.

Now, though, we have a coach we don't want and doesn't want to be here. Yet, we can't afford the buyout and other schools aren't interested enough to fork over the considerable money to get him.

Again, it's the single stupidest thing I've ever seen done on the Hill in my over three decades as a UT fan and responsibility falls upon one person, Dave Hart. Thanks, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Wow!! Take a few liberties with the facts much?

 

[A-RodWiLks]

Hamilton was awful...but I dare say that Dave Hart will negatively effect UT far longer. If we can't cut bait with Butch after next year, Bama will have pulled off one of the greatest troll jobs of all time.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

And don't forget about the car destroyed by kiffen, hiring costs and the bailout of all but one of dooley's coaches such as sunseri.

 

[SmoothieVol]

...has caused us to be in an exceptionally poor situation because we have done an execrable job hiring football coaches.

For those that don't know, Derek Dooley gets his last paycheck from UT here in December. Derek Dooley. He of the $5 million buyout ($104,000 per month). And that doesn't even include the money paid for other expenses of the Dooley Era, vaunted as it was. Here's an article on the numbers:Tennessee faces critical hire after firing Derek Dooley

Notice this part from the article:

Dooley's firing and the buyout that now kicks in only add to that financial burden. The numbers are staggering. Here's the breakdown of what Dooley has cost and will continue to cost UT for his three years of employment:

•$5.7 million — combined salaries over three years.
•$5 million — buyout for termination.
•$500,000 — amount UT paid to Louisiana Tech to buy out Dooley's previous contract.
•$286,782 — UT's payment to the IRS for withholding taxes on Dooley's contract with Louisiana Tech.
•$50,000 — bonus for making the 2010 Music City Bowl.
•$100,000 — payment for team's achieving satisfactory academic progress over two years.


That adds up to $11,636,782, or an average of $3,878,927.33 a year.

Think about it. Based on those numbers, Dooley is the sixth-highest paid college football coach in the nation this season. Only Nick Saban ($5.3 million), Mack Brown($5.25 million), Bob Stoops ($5.05 million), Les Miles ($4.15 million) and Urban Meyer($4 million) make more in compensation from their schools.

For those keeping score, the combined records of those five coaches this season is 46-7. Dooley's record is 4-7.

All told, UT paid $775,785.46 for each of Dooley's 15 victories over the last three seasons.

Meanwhile, our genius AD, decided, in possibly the grossest example of administration financial malfeasance in UT admin history, to extend Jones' contract last year a put a $10 million buyout in place because 9 wins out of 13 is some kind of Lombardi-esque accomplishment these days.

Now, though, we have a coach we don't want and doesn't want to be here. Yet, we can't afford the buyout and other schools aren't interested enough to fork over the considerable money to get him.

Again, it's the single stupidest thing I've ever seen done on the Hill in my over three decades as a UT fan and responsibility falls upon one person, Dave Hart. Thanks, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Your an idiot bud!!

 

[JMSqb11]

Colorado under MacIntyre
2013: 4-8
2014: 2-10
2015: 4-9
2016: 10-2 (PAC south division)

Tennessee under Jones
2013: 5-7
2014: 6-6 (Taxslayer Bowl victory)
2015: 8-4 (Outback Bowl victory)
2016: 8-4 (Bowl invitation pending)

And, somehow, the very same Fire Butch! crew on VN would have been pleased as punch with MacIntyre 2013-2015...

Apples and oranges, boys 'n' girls. The PAC ain't the SEC. Though Colorado and Tennessee both have to recruit out-of-state, the pools from which they draw do not overlap that much.

As a recruiter, MacIntyre would have returned from three years in California cold on the trail in the fertile southeast. I doubt that he would have had as much success building Tennessee from 2013 as he's had at Colorado, where his west coast ties served him from the get go. East coast high school kids don't know tiddley about San Jose State.

To say MM would have had same record at UT as UC is wrong. UC had a worse situation and roster than us. For all we know, MM could have made Worley look like an all American in his system. Can't say his UC record would be same at UT. However, it's clear who the better coach is.