Finals thread.

[Spartacavolus]

Lebron had one bucket in the last 8 minutes and he's on the court.

I guess that's the coach's fault too. Sorry guys. That's on Lebron and the pg.

 

[GahLee]

Lebron had one bucket in the last 8 minutes and he's on the court.

I guess that's the coach's fault too. Sorry guys. That's on Lebron and the pg.

Pretty sure that is flat out wrong.

Either way, the game for away from them in them 3rd quarter.

This game wasn't about James not matching Durant in the fourth it was about poor coaching and Dwyane Wade being a complete no show. Add Chris Bosh to that list as well.

 

[GahLee]

Lebron had one bucket in the last 8 minutes and he's on the court.

I guess that's the coach's fault too. Sorry guys. That's on Lebron and the pg.

Yeah, you were flat out wrong ( as usual ).

LeBron scored all 7 of his 4th quarter points form the 6:52 mark and on.

 

[n_huffhines]

Collison is the unsung hero. 8 and 10 on only 5 shots in 21 minutes.

 

[Hayezb]

I feel bad for Lebron.

He was literally all by himself in Cleveland and left to get help in Miami. Now, he's all by himself again. Wade needs to realize it's not his team anymore, stop trying to take over and leave that up to Lebron.

Oh, and before anybody comments on the him leaving to get help... I did not like the whole "The Decision" crap he pulled. However... Kobe had Shaq/Gasol/Bynum/Odom, Jordan had Pippen/Rodman and Durant has Westbrook/Harden. Nobody can win it on their own, nobody.

Can not wait until they trade for Steve Nash over the summer! I can wish at least...

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Kevin Durant will go down as the most prolific scorer of all time. Book it. This cat is 23 and has 3 scoring titles under the ole belt.

 

[bleedorange0037]

I feel bad for Lebron.

He was literally all by himself in Cleveland and left to get help in Miami. Now, he's all by himself again. Wade needs to realize it's not his team anymore, stop trying to take over and leave that up to Lebron.

Oh, and before anybody comments on the him leaving to get help... I did not like the whole "The Decision" crap he pulled. However... Kobe had Shaq/Gasol/Bynum/Odom, Jordan had Pippen/Rodman and Durant has Westbrook/Harden. Nobody can win it on their own, nobody.

Can not wait until they trade for Steve Nash over the summer! I can wish at least...

I agree that nobody can win it on their own, but all those situations you just mentioned are somewhat different than the Heat. All those teams were assembled over the years through good draft picks and adding pieces through free agency. The Heat were created by 3 superstars colluding with one another to create a super-team overnight. That's why I so badly want to see the Heat lose again.

I'm afraid that if they prove they can win a title this way, teams like this will become par for the course in the NBA. We'll just see almost all of the league's stars amassed on 5 or so big market super-teams, and a huge gulf between them and all the smaller market teams who are left to fight over and do battle with the scraps.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Kevin Durant will go down as the most prolific scorer of all time. Book it. This cat is 23 and has 3 scoring titles under the ole belt.

no chance. He might get there due to longevity, but he isn't a scorer in the mold of the true great scorers. He'll never be the scorer that Jordan was.

 

[Thrasher865]

I agree that nobody can win it on their own, but all those situations you just mentioned are somewhat different than the Heat. All those teams were assembled over the years through good draft picks and adding pieces through free agency. The Heat were created by 3 superstars colluding with one another to create a super-team overnight. That's why I so badly want to see the Heat lose again.

My feeling is that if Cleveland had capable management that was willing to assemble him a team he could win with, he would have stayed as long as it took. After a while, I think he realized that it wasn't going to happen, and had to make a decision. I don't blame the guy.

 

[BigPapaVol]

My feeling is that if Cleveland had capable management that was willing to assemble him a team he could win with, he would have stayed as long as it took. After a while, I think he realized that it wasn't going to happen, and had to make a decision. I don't blame the guy.

people don't blame the guy for leaving. He gets blame for being a douchebag about it.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

no chance. He might get there due to longevity, but he isn't a scorer in the mold of the true great scorers. He'll never be the scorer that Jordan was.

What would qualify him to be a "true scorer"? You do realize he is 23 and has not even came close to reaching his full potential, right?

 

[BigPapaVol]

What would qualify him to be a "true scorer"? You do realize he is 23 and has not even came close to reaching his full potential, right?

How much higher is his potential? He's not gonna shoot a lot better and not going to get any quicker. If his scoring goes up substantially, it will be because of team needs and that's not good for KD.

 

[GahLee]

How much higher is his potential? He's not gonna shoot a lot better and not going to get any quicker. If his scoring goes up substantially, it will be because of team needs and that's not good for KD.

I agree with this. He will get better at certain aspects of scoring but he has just about reached his peak on offense.

He may challenge Jordan for scoring titles though.

 

[bleedorange0037]

My feeling is that if Cleveland had capable management that was willing to assemble him a team he could win with, he would have stayed as long as it took. After a while, I think he realized that it wasn't going to happen, and had to make a decision. I don't blame the guy.

Somehow the revisionist history, even though it's only 2 years later, has become that LeBron's only choices were to stay in Cleveland with that god awful management, or to become a part of a super-team in Miami. The reality is that there were plenty of other suitors he could have gone to with capable management that could have built a winning team around him, just as the Thunder have Durant. However, that would have taken time. Instead, he chose to take the easy way out, he wasn't willing to wait a few years for that option, and I for one couldn't be happier that it's all blown up his, Wade and Bosh's faces so far.

 

[GahLee]

Somehow the revisionist history, even though it's only 2 years later, has become that LeBron's only choices were to stay in Cleveland with that god awful management, or to become a part of a super-team in Miami. The reality is that there were plenty of other suitors he could have gone to with capable management that could have built a winning team around him, just as the Thunder have Durant. However, that would have taken time. Instead, he chose to take the easy way out, he wasn't willing to wait a few years for that option, and I for one couldn't be happier that it's all blown up his, Wade and Bosh's faces so far.

His other suitors included the New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls.

He would have been put on blast no matter where he went because of the spectacle of it all.

In all reality, the move to go to Miami was made even before his last season with Cleveland even began.

Giving Chris Bosh a max contract was the mistake, you could take that money and get 3 really good players that would give them more depth and better production overall.

I would expect someting to give this offseason after they lose to the Thunder.

 

[bleedorange0037]

His other suitors included the New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls.

He would have been put on blast no matter where he went because of the spectacle of it all.

In all reality, the move to go to Miami was made even before his last season with Cleveland even began.

Giving Chris Bosh a max contract was the mistake, you could take that money and get 3 really good players that would give them more depth and better production overall.

I would expect someting to give this offseason after they lose to the Thunder.

This is probably true. The whole concept of the super-team is what rubs me wrong with the Heat. They are basically constructed on the arrogant principal that LeBron, Wade and Bosh are SOOO good, that they will be able to beat teams playing 3 on 5. I hate that. Add in the "I've gotta have it NOW!" mentality with regards to LeBron winning a championship, and I'm just enjoying seeing his impatience be rewarded with no title.

 

[005]

Really? Knocking Lebron because he wanted to win titles asap?

 

[GahLee]

Yeah, I find it funny too...he takes less money for a better chance to win titles and is hated for it.

The idea that somehow Miami has done something unforseen in the NBA is also hilarious.

Go back and look at past champions, multiple HOF'ers on every team ( excluding the most recent Detroit team that won ).

How they were consrtucted may be a little different than others but the end result is the same, HOF players playing along side HOF players trying to win a title.

 

[Thrasher865]

Somehow the revisionist history, even though it's only 2 years later, has become that LeBron's only choices were to stay in Cleveland with that god awful management, or to become a part of a super-team in Miami. The reality is that there were plenty of other suitors he could have gone to with capable management that could have built a winning team around him, just as the Thunder have Durant. However, that would have taken time. Instead, he chose to take the easy way out, he wasn't willing to wait a few years for that option, and I for one couldn't be happier that it's all blown up his, Wade and Bosh's faces so far.

When you're a free agent, you go where you want. You're saying he should have gone to another ****ty team, and wait another several years for them to build around him?

Also, I love that going to the finals in their first year together, and then making the finals again the next year, possibly winning it, is considered blowing up in their faces, in your book. I would love for my career to blow up in my face at any point!

 

[bleedorange0037]

When you're a free agent, you go where you want. You're saying he should have gone to another ****ty team, and wait another several years for them to build around him?

Also, I love that going to the finals in their first year together, and then making the finals again the next year, possibly winning it, is considered blowing up in their faces, in your book. I would love for my career to blow up in my face at any point!

When you're promising "...not three, not four, not five..." before you have even so much played a game together, anything short of winning at least ONE title, and doing it pretty quickly, has to be considered blowing up in your face, right? It's not like LeBron is going to play for another 75 years.

 

[GahLee]

When you're a free agent, you go where you want. You're saying he should have gone to another ****ty team, and wait another several years for them to build around him?

Also, I love that going to the finals in their first year together, and then making the finals again the next year, possibly winning it, is considered blowing up in their faces, in your book. I would love for my career to blow up in my face at any point!

He should have signed with the Bobcats so they could build a team the "right way", that way the would have to earn a title instead of having it given to him by joining with Wade and Bosh, oh wait....that's not how it happened it all.

 

[bleedorange0037]

He should have signed with the Bobcats so they could build a team the "right way", that way the would have to earn a title instead of having it given to him by joining with Wade and Bosh, oh wait....that's not how it happened it all.

But that's what THEY all though was going to happen, and it's absolutely hilarious that it hasn't yet.

 

[Thrasher865]

Hilarious that they only made it to the finals in their first year, not won it? Really, guy? You just want their situation to be embarrassing. So if they make the finals their first two years, and win one of them, still a failure since they didn't win it their first year EVER playing together?

 

[Hayezb]

I agree that nobody can win it on their own, but all those situations you just mentioned are somewhat different than the Heat. All those teams were assembled over the years through good draft picks and adding pieces through free agency. The Heat were created by 3 superstars colluding with one another to create a super-team overnight. That's why I so badly want to see the Heat lose again.

I'm afraid that if they prove they can win a title this way, teams like this will become par for the course in the NBA. We'll just see almost all of the league's stars amassed on 5 or so big market super-teams, and a huge gulf between them and all the smaller market teams who are left to fight over and do battle with the scraps.

I agree with that, other than with the Lakers. Kobe couldn't get along with Shaq and he was traded. Then, the Lakers suck and Kobe demands a trade unless he gets help.

I hated "The Decision" as much as anybody, but Kobe doing what he did is just as bad imo.

 

[005]

He should have signed with the Bobcats so they could build a team the "right way".

Exactly. Like, c'mon now.

It also helped that Durant was a gigantic superstar right away. Having awful records in his first two years (2nd worst, 4th worst) led to Westbrook and Harden. That + some luck is an excellent way to build a franchise.