Final Question to Fulmer

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Did you leave the Tennessee program in better shape or worse shape when you left in 2008 compared to when you took over in 1993?

The answer is obvious. Take away Eric Berry and our talent is in the bottom half of the SEC. Also two losing seasons in past four years. So take your millions in buyout, and all of the accolades from the media and fans that wanted you "coach for life", and hav3e a happy retirement. I will never mention your name again.
 
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rockydoc said:
Did you leave the Tennessee program in better shape or worse shape when you left in 2008 compared to when you took over in 1993?

The answer is obvious. Take away Eric Berry and our talent is in the bottom half of the SEC. Also two losing seasons in past four years. So take your millions in buyout, and all of the accolades from the media and fans that wanted you "coach for life", and hav3e a happy retirement. I will never mention your name again.
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wow, harsh my friend. you have some valid points though. Im sure retirement was rough with that 6 million dollar check,,, 6 million dollars is chump change, fulmer really got screwed. BTW this is all sarcasm, GO KIFF!!!!
 
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Fulmer's gone man... Let it go. He did a ton of great things for Tennessee but it was sort of a bell shaped curve and i disagree on the talent remark... For the most part the difference wasn't in the talent level but more the coaching. Clawson was nowhere near ready for prime time and quite honestly I think letting Trooper go was a bigger mistake than people realize...
 
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Why go back there? We turned the page on Monday when Kiffin had has press conference.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
Fulmer's gone man... Let it go. He did a ton of great things for Tennessee but it was sort of a bell shaped curve and i disagree on the talent remark... For the most part the difference wasn't in the talent level but more the coaching. Clawson was nowhere near ready for prime time and quite honestly I think letting Trooper go was a bigger mistake than people realize...
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IMO clawson was as good of a coach as the french were in fighting the germans in WW2
 
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rockydoc said:
Did you leave the Tennessee program in better shape or worse shape when you left in 2008 compared to when you took over in 1993?

The answer is obvious. Take away Eric Berry and our talent is in the bottom half of the SEC. Also two losing seasons in past four years. So take your millions in buyout, and all of the accolades from the media and fans that wanted you "coach for life", and hav3e a happy retirement. I will never mention your name again.
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You can not be serious. CPF took the program to a level that had not been seen since the General. Do you really think that people around the country would still be talking about the hiring of a new coach at UT prior to this? We are a national power on the field. A couple of down years do not delete that achievement.

I am glad to know that you will not mention CPF again. The man deserves more respect.
 
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Despite this past season (and '05), overall I think we're in better shape because we won a national championship, have more national name recognition, and year in - year out we we're in the top half of the toughest football conference in the country.

Having said that, I agreed with MH that it was time for a change. As is often the case with long tenured jobs - both parties should benefit from the change.
 
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it's hard to ignore the great years of Tennessee football that CPF oversaw. The end wasn't pretty, but the filling was nice.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
Despite this past season (and '05), overall I think we're in better shape because we won a national championship, have more national name recognition, and year in - year out we we're in the top half of the toughest football conference in the country.

Having said that, I agreed with MH that it was time for a change. As is often the case with long tenured jobs - both parties should benefit from the change.
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The bottom half of the SEC ain't all that. The top teams are always great, but the lower echelon usually reeks of mediocrity, or worse.
 
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Is this thread really necessary? For the love of God... let the man go in peace.

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The Kiffin era has officially begun.
 
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Fulmer and UT dominated in the 90's...then Florida, Bama, etc.started out recruiting us..Fulmer did what he could and I believe that he did enough...
 
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JM4UT99 said:
Fulmer and UT dominated in the 90's...then Florida, Bama, etc.started out recruiting us..Fulmer did what he could and I believe that he did enough...
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From 92 thru 98 was his best run. Those were also the years where FL and AL were either going thru sanctions or HC carousels so those borders were not locked down to recruiting as much.Fulmer was 66-33 in 8 yrs without Cutcliffe and 82-19 in 8 yrs with him.I think the success of Fulmer is due in large part of Cutcliffe which most on here fail to see.
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GmanTN said:
From 92 thru 98 was his best run. Those were also the years where FL and AL were either going thru sanctions or HC carousels so those borders were not locked down to recruiting as much.Fulmer was 66-33 in 8 yrs without Cutcliffe and 82-19 in 8 yrs with him.I think the success of Fulmer is due in large part of Cutcliffe which most on here fail to see.
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so so true, most of his wins against GA<AL<FL, donnan, three different AL coaches, and a couple against spurrier and zook
 
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Yeah our overall talent level is down, but the man won 2 SEC's and a National Championship. Get off his back.

The only person in this world that has the right to say anything negative to Fulmer at this time is Johnny Majors. Everyone else just needs to lay off and respect the man.

they forced him out, he offered his resignation rather than be fired. He refused to divide the Vol Nation even at a most critical and pivotal moment in his career. The entire time he was thinking what was better for the group, not what was best for himself.

The work he has done off the field, including for players and fans, is phenomenal.

Yes, I thought that as a football coach, he needed to go. It's a sound business decision if you want your favortie team to win games. But the football program should thank him for the rest of its existence for him ever being a part of UT, and that includes the fans.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
Fulmer's gone man... Let it go. He did a ton of great things for Tennessee but it was sort of a bell shaped curve and i disagree on the talent remark... For the most part the difference wasn't in the talent level but more the coaching. Clawson was nowhere near ready for prime time and quite honestly I think letting Trooper go was a bigger mistake than people realize...
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I don't think Fulmer had much of a choice but to let Trooper go as Fulmer was apparently sensitive to the demand that we do something completely different than the Saunders/Harris/Fulmer/Cutcliff/Sanders/Cutcliff family tree. Now everyone kind of pines for the good 'ole Cutcliff days. Trooper would have been a flyer same as Clawson. Difference would have been we'd have run the same offense with the same terminology and Fulmer would have had to be more active with the offense and play calling...not that he wasn't with Clawson as well.

I'm not ready to dump the whole thing on Clawson. I think this mess was a combination of things of which Fulmer has plenty of blame:
1. Lack of coaching chemistry from putting together a bunch of misfit parts
2. Only two of the coaches new the offense and how to teach/implement it...see #1
3. Coaches apparently did not fully buy-in/learn the new offense to the point of being able to effectively implement it...see #1
4. Fulmer apparently was not able to fullly delegate to Clawson and thus meddled and probably undermined Clawson's authority and credibility with the team...particularly in play calling and personnel, cough, cough, Crompton, cough.
5. This should probably be number 1 and relates to number 1...Fulmer retained an incredibly inneffective o-line coach. I'd guess it won't take much film work for Kiffin to see what a hash Adkins has made out of the o-line and will only keep him around long enough to transition his recruiting responsibility. Fulmer as a former o-lineman and o-line coach should have seen Adkins' issues and fixed it. He didn't and he's gone.
 
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Having said all that, I appreciate the Fulmer era (most of it anyways), wish him all the best and perhaps he can find a way to eventually contribute to the program, but after the past four years - particularly this one - I'm ready for a change with all the risk that brings.
 
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JM4UT99 said:
Fulmer and UT dominated in the 90's...then Florida, Bama, etc.started out recruiting us..Fulmer did what he could and I believe that he did enough...
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What was Fulmer's record against Florida in the '90s? How many SEC titles did he win compared to Florida? That "Decade of Dominance" BS is the greatest sham that Fulmer sold the masses.
 
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