Final Play against Jackets

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maotai said:
Bukowskified said:
Since the ruling on the field was an incomplete forward pass (and it was called that immediately). Even if they were to review the play and determine it was a catch, the advance after the ball would have been wiped off anyways right? So even with a review, we win that game.
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Even if they reviewed it and found it was a complete pass, it was not since it hit the turf, Benson did not get into the end zone.
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Yeah, exactly. The pass was not completed, and even if it had been completed, the player never got the ball to the goal line.
 
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KBVol said:
Not quite iirc. If Taylor doesn't close on the qb as quickly as he did and the qb pitches to the trailing rb, we're in trouble because we only have one guy on the perimeter and he's being engaged/blocked by a GT player.
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The play was designed to appear like it would go to the left as GT set up their blocking on that side, so it was not surprising to see only one DB lined up against the one WR on the right side. But McDowell also stayed over there right behind Taylor so that when the A-back broke that way with Marshall, McDowell moved quickly to the outside, so could very well have been in position if Marshall had kept the play going outside. At least from watching the replay. As mentally and physically worn out as those guys must have been, a lot of defensive guys did a lot of right things on that play.
 
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jpope9 said:
umm jumper whiffed on that final tackle.
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He didn't, not entirely. He did overshoot the tackle, but didn't completely miss. Was able to add to the energy Taylor was putting into standing the QB up, putting him back on his heels, and pushing him upfield.

A few key things to recognize here:
-- If the QB, Marshall, had been a foot or two further upfield, his "pass" to the fullback would've been a lateral instead. In which case, it bouncing wouldn't have mattered, and the ball would've still been live on the outside.
-- If the QB hadn't been fallling backward onto his heels quite so much, his "fading jump shot" pass/lateral wouldn't have been quite so awkward, and might've made it all the way to the fullback in the air. Which means that, lateral or pass, it would've been a live ball.
-- At the time the QB was tackled by Taylor and Jumper, no one knew Abernathy would swoop in to keep the fullback out of the end zone. So preventing that ball from being live when it got to the fullback was, at that point of the play, THE key to the play.

And Colton added some % of energy to both those first two elements. How much? We can't know with certainty. I'm saying about 10%. maybe it was 20%, maybe it was 5%. But it was something.

And so we give credit to all three lads.

Go Vols!
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
The play was designed to appear like it would go to the left as GT set up their blocking on that side, so it was not surprising to see only one DB lined up against the one WR on the right side. But McDowell also stayed over there right behind Taylor so that when the A-back broke that way with Marshall, McDowell moved quickly to the outside, so could very well have been in position if Marshall had kept the play going outside. At least from watching the replay. As mentally and physically worn out as those guys must have been, a lot of defensive guys did a lot of right things on that play.
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Amen, brother. We're focusing on 3 of them, but the entire defense stepped up that play, just when needed most.
 
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BearCat204 said:
He shed a block and was right there in position. Only reason it "looked" like a whiff is because taylor crushed the QB.
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He did not shed a block, GT blocker completely whiffed and ran past him. He then proceeded to dive at Taylor knocking Taylor off the QB and allowing the pass to be attempted.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/Z80oPX0dNno?t=98[/youtube]
 
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maotai said:
He did not shed a block, GT blocker completely whiffed and ran past him. He then proceeded to dive at Taylor knocking Taylor off the QB and allowing the pass to be attempted.
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I agree he didn't shed a block...he avoided the block entirely by moving inside it. A nice move on his part as he advanced to the key point of the play.

And while Jumper did overshoot the QB, he absolutely added more energy to push the QB back onto his heels and upfield (some of it with his right arm directly on the QB's waist, some of it passing through Taylor as Jumper pushed him into the QB). In other words, he contributed to the conditions needed to make the play fail (the QB was never actually tackled with the ball).

p.s. Heh, watching it for like the 15th or 20th time in slow motion, I am reminded of how energy is passed through a line of dominoes falling onto one another. Much of Colton's contribution to backing up and putting the QB in an awkward position (falling backward) went through Taylor...but did impact the QB all the same. Not very different from a big old fullback getting behind the tailback and pushing him forward into the scrum to get over the goalline, actually.

p.p.s. And the more I watch it, the more of a % I'm thinking Colton contributed. Darrell had used up most of his energy just stopping the QB, getting him to a standstill. Most of the energy needed to actually push him back onto his heels and into his awkward pass seems to have come from Colton "adding fresh energy to the system," so to speak.

The more and more I see it, the more I think it absolutely took both of them together to shut this play down (without knowing at that point, of course, about Abernathy's future contribution).
 
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maotai said:
He did not shed a block, GT blocker completely whiffed and ran past him. He then proceeded to dive at Taylor knocking Taylor off the QB and allowing the pass to be attempted.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/Z80oPX0dNno?t=98[/youtube]
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Shed....avoided, whichever. He was in great position and no he didn't knock Taylor off the tackle lol
 
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I like watching it on a loop...

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maotai said:
That and the QB not having any intention of pitching the ball resulted in a very good stop by Taylor.
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THIS! There was no way the ball was going anywhere but Marshall on a keeper. To much risk with the game on the line to be putting the ball in the air. Effectively the basket toss was just that a desperation move that would have fallen short even if complete.
 
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maotai said:
Even if they reviewed it and found it was a complete pass, it was not since it hit the turf, Benson did not get into the end zone.
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With some of the lousy officiating we saw, I was afraid the one bounce rule might have been in effect for GT
 
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Remy said:
THIS! There was no way the ball was going anywhere but Marshall on a keeper. To much risk with the game on the line to be putting the ball in the air. Effectively the basket toss was just that a desperation move that would have fallen short even if complete.
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With a triple-option team, I don't think you ever say "desperation" when one of their 3 planned options remains open.

Sure, their QB, Marshall, was in a bad spot, planted and falling backward, but his pitch man was still more or less in position. I think he was just going through his options, as an option QB always does.

Yes, he read the defense and decided to keep the ball, to run counter to the flow of Volunteers players. He'd been doing it successfully all night.

Here's a freeze frame of the very instant he made that decision:

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See how hard Marshall is cutting at that very instant? That's him making the decision to keep.

Though it doesn't show in a still photo, what Marshall seems to have keyed on was the flow of the defenders from left to right in front of him. All their momentum was working to put them, esp. McDowell (unblocked) and Taylor (about to be blocked by the pulling guard, or so Marshall would believe) outside with the pitch man.

So Marshall decided to keep and turn back against their flow.

What he couldn't know then was (a) Taylor would have the quickness to step inside the pulling guard's block, putting himself in position to meet Marshall, and (b) Jumper would slide up and inside the block of the right tackle (which he is doing at the very instant of the photo), leaving himself free to flow quickly to the point of impact as well.

It is a very cool element of how our lads did on this play that we had some redundancy built into stopping him. Either Taylor or Jumper could have been blocked, and the other would have been in position to stop the QB's run. Both those blocks would've had to have been successful for Marshall's attack to have succeeded. Big thumbs up for redundancy.



Just as a side note, already mentioned by someone earlier, look how far on the other side of the formation Abernathy is, at this point. He hustled to get to where he tackled the "receiver" (Jumper did too, both of them came from the back side of the formation to make their contributions).
 
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Plano Vol said:
With some of the lousy officiating we saw, I was afraid the one bounce rule might have been in effect for GT
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I was having Dooley flashbacks where they reviewed it and called it complete. It was not until they showed the replay and Benson was stopped short that I was able to celebrate.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
With a triple-option team, I don't think you ever say "desperation" when one of their 3 planned options remains open.

Sure, their QB, Marshall, was in a bad spot, planted and falling backward, but his pitch man was still more or less in position. I think he was just going through his options, as an option QB always does.

Yes, he read the defense and decided to keep the ball, to run counter to the flow of Volunteers players. He'd been doing it successfully all night.

Here's a freeze frame of the very instant he made that decision:

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See how hard Marshall is cutting at that very instant? That's him making the decision to keep.

Though it doesn't show in a still photo, what Marshall seems to have keyed on was the flow of the defenders from left to right in front of him. All their momentum was working to put them, esp. McDowell (unblocked) and Taylor (about to be blocked by the pulling guard, or so Marshall would believe) outside with the pitch man.

So Marshall decided to keep and turn back against their flow.

What he couldn't know then was (a) Taylor would have the quickness to step inside the pulling guard's block, putting himself in position to meet Marshall, and (b) Jumper would slide up and inside the block of the right tackle (which he is doing at the very instant of the photo), leaving himself free to flow quickly to the point of impact as well.

Just as a side note, already mentioned by someone earlier, look how far on the other side of the formation Abernathy is, at this point. He hustled to get to where he tackled the "receiver" (Jumper did too, both of them came from the back side of the formation to make their contributions).
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Great play by Taylor. Has an excellent to not be just good, but great if he stays healthy imo.
 
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tm3 said:
The counter analysis that has been put out is that two GT linemen absolutely whiffed on their blocking assignments.
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People can say that, but if you watch, the OT reached and Taylor absolutely beat the block.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, agreed. He was brilliant at times in this game.
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I watched some replay of part of the game. And the final play about a dozen times.

Alignment wise - we were outnumbered on that side BAD. Paul Johnson mentioned that. No way we should have stopped them! It was a he77 of a play by Taylor to shrug two blocks and garb QB before he could really make his move. I think QB got a little greedy wanting to do it himself rather than pitch. Micah came completely from other side and made the final stop on the pass! I still am not sure ball hit ground or not. Either way that stop was needed just short of goal line and equally as impressive play as Taylors.

2 really good individual efforts!!!

One really poor alignment problem on that play.

There were several mis-alignment numbers on the night - when outnumbered they gashed us badly!!! When equal numbered - it was sort of 50/50 between 2 yds and 6 yds per play.

I don't know if poor coaching or not taught right how to align for them or not??

Anyway, we have some real players and we have a chance to be OK. Need to get focused on alignment big time - it makes the game much easier!!

Go Vols!
 
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Look closely it did hit the ground.

I think that play was a matter of who wanted it more. They may have been outnumbered but everyone on that side swarmed to the QB and pitch man.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Look closely it did hit the ground.

I think that play was a matter of who wanted it more. They may have been outnumbered but everyone on that side swarmed to the QB and pitch man.
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I agree, just look at the penetration by our D at the LOS no matter alignment or were we outnumbered. That's actually the weakness of any triple option alignment in that if the D gets any penetration often you're talking turnovers or stiff losses. I think people get psyched out or something about the cut blocks but if you have quick guys shooting gaps disrupting plays behind the LOS it just shuts that type O down fast.
 
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