Film study on New coach

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#51
larjoranj said:
I asked this of another poster and didn't get an answer. He's been hired. It can't be undone. You apparently aren't happy about it. It will either work out or it will not. What would you have us do?
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I think the intent of the this thread is to offer an objective look at Heupel’s offenses. The video cites before and after statistics at Missouri. Im offering before and after efficiency statistics which are better indicators of true offensive quality. It helps highlight what to expect and what we should look for. The only opinion I’ve posited in this thread is that his success at Missouri was due in large part to Lock. And a poster above says that it was Heupel who was critical in developing him. Is that true? He had talented QB’s at Oklahoma but was fired from that job. So is he great at developing QBs or an offensive genius? I don’t think he’s both. I’d say he’s somewhere in between. A good OC who has shown he can develop a QB. And that’s probably the most optimistic thing we can look forward to from an offensive perspective.
 
#52
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sjt18 said:
Right. You are working overtime trying to condemn the guy before he does anything. You focus on one measure because it "tells you" what you want to believe.

Are you really that determined to whine for the next 2 or 3 years? UT was in a bad place or Heupel is likely never hired. But considering where UT is as a program and with the NCAA... he's actually a pretty high end hire.
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Before he’s done anything? I’m strictly looking at what he has done. Also, whether or not he’s the best we could do given the situation is another story. Maybe he is the best we could have done. But looking at it objectively will help level set expectations.
 
#53
#53
golfballs said:
Drew Lock made that offense great. It improved every year he was there up to his last season under Dooley. Then he left and it sucked again. UCF’s offense declined in each of Heupel’s first two seasons, then had a bit of an uptick this year, however it aligned with a huge drop in defensive efficiency so overall they were worse.

At utah state, their offensive efficiency was basically unchanged prior to, during, and after his time there.

The offenses at Oklahoma were up and down while he was there and he ended up being fired.
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This is the part that will get dug up quick when he flounders.
 
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golfballs said:
Before he’s done anything? I’m strictly looking at what he has done. Also, whether or not he’s the best we could do given the situation is another story. Maybe he is the best we could have done. But looking at it objectively will help level set expectations.
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What expectations? The standard is the same. I think we can make some allowances due to the NCAA stuff but the roster isn't terrible.... certainly not as bad as it has performed for the past 3 years.

And no, you aren't strictly looking at what he's done. You are harping on the most negative angle you can find. The guy produces points. You are trying to parse 40 ppg and 500 ypg into something "bad". Sorry. That is just premature. If he cannot do for UT what he did for Mizzou and UCF... then let's complain and whine and moan... but let's be "objective" enough to allow that he's a very good offensive coach.... and wait for the actual "objective" results.
 
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golfballs said:
Drew Lock made that offense great. It improved every year he was there up to his last season under Dooley. Then he left and it sucked again. UCF’s offense declined in each of Heupel’s first two seasons, then had a bit of an uptick this year, however it aligned with a huge drop in defensive efficiency so overall they were worse.

At utah state, their offensive efficiency was basically unchanged prior to, during, and after his time there.

The offenses at Oklahoma were up and down while he was there and he ended up being fired.
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Drew Lock had a lot of God-given ability, but I remember watching him as a Freshman. He was very much like JG. He had no idea how to use that talent properly on a football field. Someone must have changed that, and I would guess a lot of the credit goes to our new coach.
 
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sjt18 said:
What expectations? The standard is the same. I think we can make some allowances due to the NCAA stuff but the roster isn't terrible.... certainly not as bad as it has performed for the past 3 years.

And no, you aren't strictly looking at what he's done. You are harping on the most negative angle you can find. The guy produces points. You are trying to parse 40 ppg and 500 ypg into something "bad". Sorry. That is just premature. If he cannot do for UT what he did for Mizzou and UCF... then let's complain and whine and moan... but let's be "objective" enough to allow that he's a very good offensive coach.... and wait for the actual "objective" results.
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I’ve been using advanced statistics forever. If you were to frequent the basketball forum you would see that. So I’m not just looking for a reason to be negative. I look at these for all of the candidates for all of the searches we’ve had for the last decade to help me form my opinions.
 
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golfballs said:
Drew Lock made that offense great. It improved every year he was there up to his last season under Dooley. Then he left and it sucked again. UCF’s offense declined in each of Heupel’s first two seasons, then had a bit of an uptick this year, however it aligned with a huge drop in defensive efficiency so overall they were worse.

At utah state, their offensive efficiency was basically unchanged prior to, during, and after his time there.

The offenses at Oklahoma were up and down while he was there and he ended up being fired.
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??? Are you aware he has had some of the top offenses in the country since 2017?
He has become a better playcaller as his career progresses
 
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golfballs said:
Drew Lock made that offense great. It improved every year he was there up to his last season under Dooley. Then he left and it sucked again. UCF’s offense declined in each of Heupel’s first two seasons, then had a bit of an uptick this year, however it aligned with a huge drop in defensive efficiency so overall they were worse.

At utah state, their offensive efficiency was basically unchanged prior to, during, and after his time there.

The offenses at Oklahoma were up and down while he was there and he ended up being fired.
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Let me guess, you don't like the hire.
 
#66
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Vol49er said:
I LOVE that fake rub route play. Great play design
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Yea, and I like how his offenses and QBs continue to improve every year. And he rarely ever loses by double digits. I think he has one loss by that much as a HC.

Guess what else. His offense and resume are better than Kiffin and he destroyed Kiffin in both their matchups UCF vs FAU
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
Yea, and I like how his offenses and QBs continue to improve every year. And he rarely ever loses by double digits. I think he has one loss by that much as a HC.

Guess what else. His offense and resume are better than Kiffin and he destroyed Kiffin in both their matchups UCF vs FAU
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Only reason people like Kiffin is he’s the more “sexy” hire. Which, to be fair helps him in recruiting
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
Yea, and I like how his offenses and QBs continue to improve every year. And he rarely ever loses by double digits. I think he has one loss by that much as a HC.

Guess what else. His offense and resume are better than Kiffin and he destroyed Kiffin in both their matchups UCF vs FAU
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If he could pull Zach Arnett as a DC coordinator hire then I would be feeling really good. Going to have to really pony up to get and keep him, dude is a star and, imo, runs the best defense (3-3-5) for the kind of offenses we're going to see most these days
(Kevin Steele would work as well but I think that ship has sailed and think Arnett would be better)
 
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#69
Wasn’t crazy about this hire at all but I’ll always give the incoming coach a chance. Here’s what I expect for 2021, Tennessee better beat the piss out of the teams it’s supposed to, I’m talking about completely dust them.
 
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Vol49er said:
I have no worries about JH scheming the offense up well. A great DC hire and filling the staff out with capable recruiters will be vital to his success here
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Recruiting and development is my concern.

He runs a very well conceived offense but it needs a smart QB, quick RBs, and a disciplined OL. SEC defenses are quick, talented, strong, and most are very well coached and prepared for each opponent.

I'll trust CJH to run an exciting offense but it won't matter unless we have the athletes able to execute AND coached to the level where they can execute at an SEC level.

We need good recruiters. We need a very strong DC. And we need them ASAP.
 
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Vol49er said:
If he could pull Zach Arnett as a DC coordinator hire then I would be feeling really good. Going to have to really pony up to get and keep him, dude is a star and, imo, runs the best defense (3-3-5) for the kind of offenses we're going to see most these days
(Kevin Steele would work as well but I think that ship has sailed and think Arnett would be better)
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Completely agree that guy is a star in the making! Players love him and State he's the best DC they've played for. He interviewed for a few other DC opportunities this off season so I think if we offered he would accept as even with this mess were still a step up from Miss St
 
#73
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Recruiting and development is my concern.

He runs a very well conceived offense but it needs a smart QB, quick RBs, and a disciplined OL. SEC defenses are quick, talented, strong, and most are very well coached and prepared for each opponent.

I'll trust CJH to run an exciting offense but it won't matter unless we have the athletes able to execute AND coached to the level where they can execute at an SEC level.

We need good recruiters. We need a very strong DC. And we need them ASAP.
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I agree completely but did you know that he actually recruited well in his conference.

I just looked at the 247 rankings and his classes were fairly consistent in ranking outside of 2020. Here’s his AAC ranking:
2017 - 1
2018 - 2
2019 - 1
2020 - 7
2021 - 4 (so far)
 
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Here's the best part. None of the players in the SEC right now have faced his offense because no one was willing to schedule UCF out of conference lol. Any defensive players who faced his offenses at Missouri are gone. So, we got that going for us. Maybe Steele is still butt hurt that UCF beat his defense at Auburn.
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
Yea, and I like how his offenses and QBs continue to improve every year. And he rarely ever loses by double digits. I think he has one loss by that much as a HC.

Guess what else. His offense and resume are better than Kiffin and he destroyed Kiffin in both their matchups UCF vs FAU
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Only once has he lost by double digits. That was the BYU game. However, I just read an article that stated they were missing about 6 veteran players that game
 
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