Field goal runback question

#26
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93AllvolSc said:
1. As long as the ball gets to the end zone it’s a touchback so it would not be spotted at the 40.
2. You have 5 lineman trying to stop a speed return just like Chris Davis did to Alabama a couple years ago.
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I apologize for misinformation on point number 1. It would Have been spotted at the point of kick. I still would have put a return man back either way. The beautiful thing about coaching decisions like that you are either a hero or a fool.
 
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In an interview, Jackson said they told him not to to go back further than the 10 yard line to field it. He said he knew there were mostly offensive lineman there so he decided to attempt it.
 
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bigl3327 said:
Almost all teams put a man back deep on long field goal attempts because your chances to score on a return are pretty high. No one practices coverage on a missed field goal.
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what percentage is that? how many times is it returned for a TD?
 
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So now that we're discussing this can we get clarification on the penalties. As was mentioned by the zebra both occurred after change of position.
 
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mrredskin said:
what percentage is that? how many times is it returned for a TD?
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A kick 6 attempt (that's what's is termed) is a super rare occurrence. So rare, in fact, that it is about the only stat that isn't logged in college football. How many have you seen attempted? The opportunity almost never happens. I've seen it attempted 4 times in my life, counting Saturday, in all of football. 3 of those 4 resulted in touchdowns. If you watch the press conference after the game, this was not a called play. Theo Jackson said the coaches told him to stand at the 10 yard line. Being a football savvy kid, he stood back deeper in case this rare occurrence presented itself.
 
#32
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Model12 said:
Guys. Help me out here. There's something I am missing.

We set up a kick return on the Pitt FG...why?

There was plenty of time on the clock and we would have gotten the ball on our own 40. Why risk losing field position from that?

I totally understand if it is your only desperate option, aka Auburn with time expiring. If there were 5 sec left I would agree, sure let's try that.

Educate me.



I hate georgia.
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I’ve been wondering the same thing, seems the prudent play there is take it at the original line of scrimmage
 
#33
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Zues1 said:
So now that we're discussing this can we get clarification on the penalties. As was mentioned by the zebra both occurred after change of position.
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I had questions about this too. How do 2 penalties after the change of possession equal a complete do-over? Should've been UT's ball at some point on the field.

When we had our block in the back, that would've ended with UT ball, 15 yards from the spot of foul.
When Pitt had their block in the back (second), it now ends with Pitt getting the ball back for a retry.

So Pitt's foul actually BENEFITTED Pitt, by giving them possession back and having a second try (possibly another FG attempt) whereas had they not fouled, it would've been UT's ball somewhere around the 20 yard line.
 
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bigl3327 said:
A kick 6 attempt (that's what's is termed) is a super rare occurrence. So rare, in fact, that it is about the only stat that isn't logged in college football. How many have you seen attempted? The opportunity almost never happens. I've seen it attempted 4 times in my life, counting Saturday, in all of football. 3 of those 4 resulted in touchdowns. If you watch the press conference after the game, this was not a called play. Theo Jackson said the coaches told him to stand at the 10 yard line. Being a football savvy kid, he stood back deeper in case this rare occurrence presented itself.
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so your stat is based off of four times you've seen something happen (and you probably saw those because it showed up on a highlight reel post-game, because they did actually score.)
 
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Model12 said:
Guys. Help me out here. There's something I am missing.

We set up a kick return on the Pitt FG...why?

There was plenty of time on the clock and we would have gotten the ball on our own 40. Why risk losing field position from that?

I totally understand if it is your only desperate option, aka Auburn with time expiring. If there were 5 sec left I would agree, sure let's try that.

Educate me.



I hate georgia.
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Covering FG's are more difficult than a punt. Most of the time FG teams are made up of slow offensive lineman that must protect the kick longer. And the FG formation is a tighter formation than most punt team formations.
 
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Hbg said:
I’ve been wondering the same thing, seems the prudent play there is take it at the original line of scrimmage
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You're probably right. Although, the way we struggled to move the ball in the middle of the game, I can understand trying something different.
 
#39
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GoodmanVol said:
I had questions about this too. How do 2 penalties after the change of possession equal a complete do-over? Should've been UT's ball at some point on the field.

When we had our block in the back, that would've ended with UT ball, 15 yards from the spot of foul.
When Pitt had their block in the back (second), it now ends with Pitt getting the ball back for a retry.

So Pitt's foul actually BENEFITTED Pitt, by giving them possession back and having a second try (possibly another FG attempt) whereas had they not fouled, it would've been UT's ball somewhere around the 20 yard line.
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Model12 said:
Guys. Help me out here. There's something I am missing.

We set up a kick return on the Pitt FG...why?

There was plenty of time on the clock and we would have gotten the ball on our own 40. Why risk losing field position from that?

I totally understand if it is your only desperate option, aka Auburn with time expiring. If there were 5 sec left I would agree, sure let's try that.

Educate me.



I hate georgia.
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That play is run when there is a chance to catch the ball cleanly and return it. If you think about it, how many of their guys do you have to block on a FG return? Usually have all linemen in to block who are slow as hell. The real shame is Banks is a ****ing dumbass. He cost us that game on his stupidity alone. Not saying it was totally his fault but take away the suplex and the blatant block in the back and were would we be. These weren't minor penalties, both were very blatant.
 
#41
#41
fullmetalvol said:
The field goal protection teams are big ole pasta eating blockers. They don't practice or are built for chasing down and tackling kick off return specialist. I doubt a one of them other maybe the kicker is gonna be on the kick off team. I like the call, just don't block in the back right in front of your runner.
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:p:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
#42
#42
No, the ACC officials not knowing the rules benefitted Pitt. My understanding of the rules is that if both fouls occur after a change of possession, if the team that gained possession declines the other team's penalty, they keep possession.
 
#43
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Rasputin said:
No, the ACC officials not knowing the rules benefitted Pitt. My understanding of the rules is that if both fouls occur after a change of possession, if the team that gained possession declines the other team's penalty, they keep possession.
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So, it should’ve been UT’s ball right, not a do-over attempt for Pitt?

I was watching without sound and didn’t hear if the announcers was as confused by this outcome as me. I could not believe they just have the ball back to Pitt.
 
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bluegrasser said:
So, it should’ve been UT’s ball right, not a do-over attempt for Pitt?

I was watching without sound and didn’t hear if the announcers was as confused by this outcome as me. I could not believe they just have the ball back to Pitt.
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#46
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Yeah but the block in the back penalty by UT would have given us really bad field position if we decline their penalty.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Has anyone considered just looking up the rules for NCAA football? Seems easier than everyone just guessing.
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Because we like posting Heupotheticals?

Pretty sure in that situation, if we don't field it, we get docked 3 points and have to start the next series on their 5. IIRC.
 
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Model12 said:
Guys. Help me out here. There's something I am missing.

We set up a kick return on the Pitt FG...why?

There was plenty of time on the clock and we would have gotten the ball on our own 40. Why risk losing field position from that?

I totally understand if it is your only desperate option, aka Auburn with time expiring. If there were 5 sec left I would agree, sure let's try that.

Educate me.



I hate georgia.
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It is worth a shot when the opponent is attempting a very long FG. The kicking team does not have coverage guys on the field. In many cases they will have 7 OL or TE personnel plus a kicker and a holder and only a couple of guys that could run down a return man. Plus they are all holding at the LOS until the ball is snapped and most likely would not be thinking about going down field to cover. Watch most FG attemps - once the kick is away everyone is watching the ball to see if its good. If you can field it in the field of play not the end zone, then you have a shot at a big play and almost certainly a return to the 30+. So somebody makes a play you lose 10 yards - or maybe you take it to the house.
 
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