Ferguson Riots

#251
#251
Can't verify but police are ordering reporters to move out or face arrest. I may support the police actions in preventing further riots but if true that crosses a line.
 
#253
#253
Burhead said:
Can't verify but police are ordering reporters to move out or face arrest. I may support the police actions in preventing further riots but if true that crosses a line.
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We've been dealing with that bs for years. Not going to stop anyone.
 
#254
#254
I think we can all agree we're going to wake up in the morning with the media crying out against law enforcement's actions tonight.
 
#257
#257
lawgator1 said:
I said last night here and repeat: the friend walking with him is the one who has given statements about this young man running after the cop got out and just started shooting at them for no reason. He claims his friend stopped and gave up and was shot.

Not a word about a struggle over the gun or an incident in the car.

If forensics shows the kid's DNA on or near the gun, or in the car, the witness' credibility is completely and irretrievably trashed.
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Update.

I just saw an interview of the kid tonight. In the interview I just saw, he gave an elaborate explanation of the encounter with the officer, claiming the officer stopped his car in such a way as to block their path. He says the officer tried to get out of the car, but he was so close that the door bounced off them and that made the officer mad.

So the officer, he said in the interview, reached out and grabbed his friend and choked him, and pulled him to the car.

Now, I didn't hear anything like that last night. The interview of the kid I saw last night had nothing in it about doors bouncing off people, or choking the kid, or pulling him into or towards the car.

It could be that the first interview I saw last night cut all that out. Not sure. He seemed to be dressed the same so it's possible. But if he has changed his story to match what he thinks will be the physical evidence then that's going to render his story worthless.

My guess is 1) the kid was audio interviews by detectives yesterday or last night. And 2) any statements he made to media will be subpoenaed.

If the media chopped. Up the interview, shame on them. If the kid changed the story, shame on him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Update.

I just saw an interview of the kid tonight. In the interview I just saw, he gave an elaborate explanation of the encounter with the officer, claiming the officer stopped his car in such a way as to block their path. He says the officer tried to get out of the car, but he was so close that the door bounced off them and that made the officer mad.

So the officer, he said in the interview, reached out and grabbed his friend and choked him, and pulled him to the car.

Now, I didn't hear anything like that last night. The interview of the kid I saw last night had nothing in it about doors bouncing off people, or choking the kid, or pulling him into or towards the car.

It could be that the first interview I saw last night cut all that out. Not sure. He seemed to be dressed the same so it's possible. But if he has changed his story to match what he thinks will be the physical evidence then that's going to render his story worthless.

My guess is 1) the kid was audio interviews by detectives yesterday or last night. And 2) any statements he made to media will be subpoenaed.

If the media chopped. Up the interview, shame on them. If the kid changed the story, shame on him.
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You mean the way they did Zimmerman?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Update.

I just saw an interview of the kid tonight. In the interview I just saw, he gave an elaborate explanation of the encounter with the officer, claiming the officer stopped his car in such a way as to block their path. He says the officer tried to get out of the car, but he was so close that the door bounced off them and that made the officer mad.

So the officer, he said in the interview, reached out and grabbed his friend and choked him, and pulled him to the car.

Now, I didn't hear anything like that last night. The interview of the kid I saw last night had nothing in it about doors bouncing off people, or choking the kid, or pulling him into or towards the car.

It could be that the first interview I saw last night cut all that out. Not sure. He seemed to be dressed the same so it's possible. But if he has changed his story to match what he thinks will be the physical evidence then that's going to render his story worthless.

My guess is 1) the kid was audio interviews by detectives yesterday or last night. And 2) any statements he made to media will be subpoenaed.

If the media chopped. Up the interview, shame on them. If the kid changed the story, shame on him.
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He didn't mention the part about why they were stopped? Shop lifting. Imagine that. Forgot that little detail, didn't he.
 
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#260
#260
As I said the witnesses are not telling the complete truth.. It's going to be ugly again and that's what this country needs to keep on happening.. The media feeds this..
 
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#262
lawgator1 said:
Update.

I just saw an interview of the kid tonight. In the interview I just saw, he gave an elaborate explanation of the encounter with the officer, claiming the officer stopped his car in such a way as to block their path. He says the officer tried to get out of the car, but he was so close that the door bounced off them and that made the officer mad.

So the officer, he said in the interview, reached out and grabbed his friend and choked him, and pulled him to the car.

Now, I didn't hear anything like that last night. The interview of the kid I saw last night had nothing in it about doors bouncing off people, or choking the kid, or pulling him into or towards the car.

It could be that the first interview I saw last night cut all that out. Not sure. He seemed to be dressed the same so it's possible. But if he has changed his story to match what he thinks will be the physical evidence then that's going to render his story worthless.

My guess is 1) the kid was audio interviews by detectives yesterday or last night. And 2) any statements he made to media will be subpoenaed.

If the media chopped. Up the interview, shame on them. If the kid changed the story, shame on him.
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It takes time to recollect what you want & what you're coached.
 
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#263
lawgator1 said:
Update.

I just saw an interview of the kid tonight. In the interview I just saw, he gave an elaborate explanation of the encounter with the officer, claiming the officer stopped his car in such a way as to block their path. He says the officer tried to get out of the car, but he was so close that the door bounced off them and that made the officer mad.

So the officer, he said in the interview, reached out and grabbed his friend and choked him, and pulled him to the car.

Now, I didn't hear anything like that last night. The interview of the kid I saw last night had nothing in it about doors bouncing off people, or choking the kid, or pulling him into or towards the car.

It could be that the first interview I saw last night cut all that out. Not sure. He seemed to be dressed the same so it's possible. But if he has changed his story to match what he thinks will be the physical evidence then that's going to render his story worthless.

My guess is 1) the kid was audio interviews by detectives yesterday or last night. And 2) any statements he made to media will be subpoenaed.

If the media chopped. Up the interview, shame on them. If the kid changed the story, shame on him.
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Not feeling the veracity here...
 
#271
#271
I'm not willing to say the story has changed. The only youtube video of the interview I found is what I saw last night, which is about them running and the hands in the air. The interview I saw tonight had all this additional detail. Like I said, possible they are the same and edited differently. Time will tell.
 
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#272
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not willing to say the story has changed. The only youtube video of the interview I found is what I saw last night, which is about them running and the hands in the air. The interview I saw tonight had all this additional detail. Like I said, possible they are the same and edited differently. Time will tell.
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C'mon LG, you can't even begin to believe this.

You're a lawyer and you know exactly what happens to so called "eye witness" testimony. Furthermore, you know how unreliable eye witness testimony is when the story changes that radically. From getting chased by the cop and shot to getting choked and pulled inside the vehicle?

How long would it take you to destroy this kind of "witness" on the stand?
 
#273
#273
lawgator1 said:
I'm not willing to say the story has changed. The only youtube video of the interview I found is what I saw last night, which is about them running and the hands in the air. The interview I saw tonight had all this additional detail. Like I said, possible they are the same and edited differently. Time will tell.
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The young man has told many a story:


Dorian Johnson tells News 4 he was walking with Brown when the officer confronted them and drew his weapon.

“He (the officer) shot again and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air,” said Dorian Johnson, a friend Brown’s. “He started to get down and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots.”

St. Louis County NAACP President Esther Haywood told News 4 that Brown was shot once by the officer and then an additional nine times as he lie in the street. Police have not confirmed that account.

You see the problem here LG.
 
#274
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lawgator1 said:
I said last night here and repeat: the friend walking with him is the one who has given statements about this young man running after the cop got out and just started shooting at them for no reason. He claims his friend stopped and gave up and was shot.

Not a word about a struggle over the gun or an incident in the car.

If forensics shows the kid's DNA on or near the gun, or in the car, the witness' credibility is completely and irretrievably trashed.
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I saw the hoodlum holding court for a bunch of cameras. He said he and his buddy were just minding there business when the cop stopped them, approached and attacked the victim - dragging him into his car while yelling about how he was going to shoot him.

The buddy then stated how the cop started shooting and the victim tried to run and then stopped and suddenly became compliant. That's when he was shot and killed...

I've seen Cops enough to know that when the brothers take off running - there is no stopping them.
 
#275
#275
Well, watching what I can find on the net I'm beginning to think it's all one interview, which was manipulated by the first media reports, which in turn were focused on the giving up angle. I'm not sure why the officer, if he were mad at perception the teens had pushed his door back shut would grab through the window and pull him to the car and shoot him in the car. So we'll have to see what the officer said.
 
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