Fellows Dismissed

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#27
To be fair, it is not media writers speculating in print that is happening. It is pretty much this network of message boards. But that can be just as bad anymore...
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
To be fair, it is not media writers speculating in print that is happening. It is pretty much this network of message boards. But that can be just as bad anymore...
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maybe not all, but everyone today, it seems like they have their own editorial (blogs) where they take their journalistic freedoms very seiously.......and the spin that is generated is not generated, in a lot of cases anyway, by the ones actually involved....rather, it's generated by someone's opinion of the matter......and then it grows legs and becomes fodder in places like this. ask yourself, where do most people get their news these days? hard copy journalism is becoming the dinosaur......blogs, web casts, the daily show, real time, PTI, Around the Horn, radio talk shows etc...are the primary sources of information for a lot of people.

so your original point, i agree with........
 
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jakez4ut said:
maybe not all, but everyone today, it seems like they have their own editorial (blogs) where they take their journalistic freedoms very seiously.......and the spin that is generated is not generated, in a lot of cases anyway, by the ones actually involved....rather, it's generated by someone's opinion of the matter......and then it grows legs and becomes fodder in places like this. ask yourself, where do most people get their news these days? hard copy journalism is becoming the dinosaur......blogs, web casts, the daily show, real time, PTI, Around the Horn, radio talk shows etc...are the primary sources of information for a lot of people.

so your original point, i agree with........
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Not sure where I should go with this, except to agree that yes, the blogosphere does have an enourmous impact on the speed and voracity of news these days. I have ambivalent feelings about this fact. While some is clearly first rate, others are just as clearly not. Absent a good measuring stick for trustworthiness, I have thus far steered clear.

Expect volinBham any moment when topics like this come up...
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Not sure where I should go with this, except to agree that yes, the blogosphere does have an enourmous impact on the speed and voracity of news these days. I have ambivalent feelings about this fact. While some is clearly first rate, others are just clearly not. Absent a good measuring stick for trustworthiness, I have thus far steered clear.

Expect volinBham any moment when topics like this come up...
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either way, i think your point about "why leave it open for interpretation" is a valid one. it's your business, you should control how it is communicated so no interpretation is necessary.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
I respectfully disagree. Scuttlebut flies farther, faster, and does more harm than preemptive first source information from a reliable outlet. One can better control the path of a story from the front. Chase it, and you may never catch up...

A completely different opinion than yours UTLCA, but I believe it to be true....
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In this case what are we speculating that is worse than the alleged truth?
 
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UTLCA said:
In this case what are we speculating that is worse than the alleged truth?
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Absent credibly sourced information it would be impossible for me to answer that.

I do recall reading on one of the sites for the newspapers though, when the Fellows dismissal statement broke, that all area law enforcement agencies said they had no cases pending involving Mr. Fellows. What has been suggested today in these prior posts is most certainly criminal activity. Yet there are no cases pending. Maybe there is nothing here at all. I know that I don't know. And I know that I hate when that happens...
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
I respectfully disagree. Scuttlebut flies farther, faster, and does more harm than preemptive first source information from a reliable outlet. One can better control the path of a story from the front. Chase it, and you may never catch up...

A completely different opinion than yours UTLCA, but I believe it to be true....
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If there have already been charges filed, then I'm sure we would have heard this in the Sentinel, networks, etc. , no? Regardless, if it is a criminal matter - CPF can't say what has happened...there is no way they are going to comment on this. All they can do is make their internal decisions...they can't say why yet..IMO.
 
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UTLCA said:
Yeah well it sucks to know that my favorite basketball player, the 2nd leading scorer and best defender, could be kicked off for taking someone's weed. It's sickening to hear especially after meeting his parents and him. I definately did not think he is capable of something like that but oh well.
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If it happened, it does suck, and I don't understand why he'd do it. But if it happened, they have to kick him off, b/c we can't tolerate that kind of thing.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Why doesn't Phil release a statement with some real info?
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I think he released a bit too much information with the Raymond Henderson incident. I imagine he now realizes it's better to withhold details at least until a thorough investigation is complete.
 
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kptvol said:
I think he released a bit too much information with the Raymond Henderson incident. I imagine he realizes it's better to withhold details at least until a thorough investigation is complete.
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Raymond Henderson's dismissal was a joke. I agree that players can't act that way in public, but what about the things said to him first?

If you've never talked to someone involved with the deal, then you should not speak on it. This isn't directed at you kpt
 
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justingroves said:
Raymond Henderson's dismissal was a joke. I agree that players can't act that way in public, but what about the things said to him first?

If you've never talked to someone involved with the deal then don't start trashing Ray.
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Where did kpt trash Henderson?!?!?!?
 
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One big problem I have with the issue is that things were released to the media and the only real evidence was heresay. The situation could have been handled much more quietly and internally.
 
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wbarron said:
If it happened, it does suck, and I don't understand why he'd do it. But if it happened, they have to kick him off, b/c we can't tolerate that kind of thing.
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Yeah, obviously. I'd be ashamed I ever called him my favorite player.
 
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UTLCA said:
Yeah, obviously. I'd be ashamed I ever called him my favorite player.
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You shouldn't be. Except for an ill-advised, immature dunk attempt at the end of the first USC game, he's done nothing but hustle, support his teammates, and fight like hell. I've been proud of him, and we need his fire.

I just hope he wasn't involved.
 
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UTLCA said:
Yeah well it sucks to know that my favorite basketball player, the 2nd leading scorer and best defender, could be kicked off for taking someone's weed. It's sickening to hear especially after meeting his parents and him. I definately did not think he is capable of something like that but oh well.
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I think the part about robbing somebody using a shotgun is what is getting these guys in hot water. UT has had tons of players that loved their weed, and they received far more than one chance. Robbing someone at gunpoint SHOULD get a player kicked not only off the team but also out of school.
 
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#46
I can't bring myself to care that much about weed. It is currently illegal and there are team rules about it, and players have to be smart enough to know that, but honestly I can't get worked up about a guy smoking a little. As long as discipline w/r/t it is meted out fairly and consistently (see the Urban Meyer threads), the pot itself isn't that big a deal to me.

Robbing somebody with a shotgun is another matter. I don't want to see anybody who's done that on the field or the basketball court representing my school. Ever again.

(Edit: I'm still holding out some hope that these rumors of shotgun-wielding will turn out to be just that, since to my knowledge there hasn't been an actual news story about it yet.)
 
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