Feel Bad for Penn State?

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I can't feel sorry for them. All's fair in football and war. If Mike Slive is doing his job then he's already bought the bulldozer.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Just read that the Trustees at Penn State are likely going to take down the statue of Joe Pa in front of their stadium this weekend. Apparently, a small plane flew over the campus earlier this week w/ a banner saying, "Take down the statue or we will!".

I still can't believe Joe Pa did this. I thought he ran one of the cleanest, least tolerant programs in D1. Now, his reputation is absolutely destroyed.

I don't know whether to feel bad for Penn State and its fans or not. I know a couple die hards, and they're taking a beating at parties, etc.
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I do not at all feel badly for PSU. They allowed the problem to continue and deserve more punishment than they will get. Death penalty is not enough.
 
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The kids are the ones that will suffer because think of sitting in a kids house with their parents trying to sell Penn state with all of this going on. The program can get past it if they do not get hit too hard by the NCAA. My guess the next 4-5 years will be very rough in Happy Valley.
 
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It's a shame that the person that helped build a program was the same one that has done so much damage to it.
 
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I don't feel bad for the fans. They put Paterno on a god-like statue, made him the king of the school, and he burned them.

Just goes to show that a football coach is just that. A football coach.
 
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Lost in all this is the simple fact that grown men FAILED to act like grown men!
If that had been my son that called and told me what he saw in the shower. I would have told him get back in there and protect that child I`m on my way and calling the cops.
 
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zjcvols said:
I don't feel bad for the fans. They put Paterno on a god-like statue, made him the king of the school, and he burned them.

Just goes to show that a football coach is just that. A football coach.
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I felt bad for the fans until I read one of their message boards. They're still defending the guy fervently and claiming there's no proof. Absolutely pathetic.
 
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LieutenantNeyland said:
Penn St has been the FL and Urban Meyer of the North. Joe couldn't discipline his players, all he cared about was winning. I hope he rots in hell with Michael Jackson. Just read this and see for yourself. Sorry I'm on mobile and don't know how to paste the link. This will tell you all you need to know about the culture of Penn st.

The woman who stood up to Joe Paterno | MyFOX8.com
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That's possibly the worst comparison for this situation. I could see a comparison of Michael to Sandusky because they both were accused of the same thing (except you know, the part where one was found innocent with few accusers and the other was guilty with impenetrable evidence and accusers still coming out), but comparing the man who basically had a monster on an infinite leash and never reeled him in to a guy whose greatest sin, at least according to our court system, was releasing any music after Remember the Time hit charts, sounds more like a personal hatred for someone than any logic.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
That entire history is a complete scam. Paterno is the epitome of the word hypocrite. I had the utmost admiration for the man after I read his book, where he talks about doing things the right way being more important than winning. He mocked other coaches like Jimmy Johnson and Jackie Sherrill for the way they ran their programs. Looks like he should have practiced what he was preaching.

If the current administration at Penn St chooses to keep the statue, then they are as complicit as the ones who were involved in the coverup.
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This.

Rot in hell, Joe...Jerry...and every other person who knew what was going on, and chose to cover it up...all for the sake of the now-forever tarnished reputation of a friggin football team. And university.

Me? Plow the whole place under, and start over.

Go Vols.
 
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UTCVol said:
I felt bad for the fans until I read one of their message boards. They're still defending the guy fervently and claiming there's no proof. Absolutely pathetic.
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I couldn't condemn an entire fanbase because of what's said on a message board.

...that's a miniscule representation of the fanbase.

We here may share a passion for our university. But some of our own fans are on different planets, IMO.


I do feel bad for the fans and people not directly connected to those who allowed that bastard to do as he wished.

There are plenty of alumni, employees and fans who love that institution but are hurting like hell over what the last year has revealed. It's obviously nothing compared to what the victims have dealt with. But it's still tangible.
 
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Here's 1 vote for leaving it up....

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There's a difference between blaming people and blaming entities that's leading to a mentality that, in my mind is very dangerous. The coverup was done by people in charge or deeply involved with the university - NOT the university itself. If all of the people involved are purged and thus no longer affiliated with the university, then the only people being affected by a punishment of PSU are those who were completely innocent. You can't tell me that doesn't hurt more people than it helps, and you sure as heck can't say that's a fair punishment.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Just read that the Trustees at Penn State are likely going to take down the statue of Joe Pa in front of their stadium this weekend. Apparently, a small plane flew over the campus earlier this week w/ a banner saying, "Take down the statue or we will!".

I still can't believe Joe Pa did this. I thought he ran one of the cleanest, least tolerant programs in D1. Now, his reputation is absolutely destroyed.

I don't know whether to feel bad for Penn State and its fans or not. I know a couple die hards, and they're taking a beating at parties, etc.
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orangefloyd said:
Feel bad for those kids.
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Not to mention, I feel bad for Bobby Bowden losing the win record to a pedophile protecter
 
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Daloth said:
That's possibly the worst comparison for this situation. I could see a comparison of Michael to Sandusky because they both were accused of the same thing (except you know, the part where one was found innocent with few accusers and the other was guilty with impenetrable evidence and accusers still coming out), but comparing the man who basically had a monster on an infinite leash and never reeled him in to a guy whose greatest sin, at least according to our court system, was releasing any music after Remember the Time hit charts, sounds more like a personal hatred for someone than any logic.[/QUOT

It's not a comparison, it was a statement. If you let it happen, then you are as bad as a person who commits the act.
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Daloth said:
That's possibly the worst comparison for this situation. I could see a comparison of Michael to Sandusky because they both were accused of the same thing (except you know, the part where one was found innocent with few accusers and the other was guilty with impenetrable evidence and accusers still coming out), but comparing the man who basically had a monster on an infinite leash and never reeled him in to a guy whose greatest sin, at least according to our court system, was releasing any music after Remember the Time hit charts, sounds more like a personal hatred for someone than any logic.
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It's not a comparison, just a statement of how I feel. If you stand idly by and let this happen, then you are just as bad as someone who commits the act.
 
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UTRavens said:
There's a difference between blaming people and blaming entities that's leading to a mentality that, in my mind is very dangerous. The coverup was done by people in charge or deeply involved with the university - NOT the university itself. If all of the people involved are purged and thus no longer affiliated with the university, then the only people being affected by a punishment of PSU are those who were completely innocent. You can't tell me that doesn't hurt more people than it helps, and you sure as heck can't say that's a fair punishment.
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All the people involved aren't purged.

1) The inept board of trustees is still there. Everyone of them is either too stupid to sit on that board or complicit by failing to insist in good governance... A total failure of fiduciary responsibility.

2) Riots after JoPa's firing and protection of JoPa's statute show that many in Happy Valley just don't get it.
 
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I don't think people understand just how much Joe Paterno means to that school and the community. One highly unfortunate lapse in judgment certainly tarnishes Joe Paterno's legacy, but it hardly destroys all that he's accomplished on and off the field.

Penn State fans don't want to see their history thrown out the window, and I don't blame them. All but the most highly irrational regret Joe Paterno's relative inaction in seeing Jerry brought to justice earlier, but to think that they're awful people for not wanting to completely admonish the man is ridiculous.
 
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orangesparkles said:
I don't think people understand just how much Joe Paterno means to that school and the community. One highly unfortunate lapse in judgment certainly tarnishes Joe Paterno's legacy, but it hardly destroys all that he's accomplished on and off the field.

Penn State fans don't want to see their history thrown out the window, and I don't blame them. All but the most highly irrational regret Joe Paterno's relative inaction in seeing Jerry brought to justice earlier, but to think that they're awful people for not wanting to completely admonish the man is ridiculous.
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1) People do understand how much JoPa means to Happy Valley. The fact that they still hold him in reverence is indicative of priority failings.

2) According to the Freeh Report, JoPa is not guilty of inaction. He is guilty of active participation. When the administration was prepared to report Sandusky to the proper authorities, he talked them out of it.
 
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txbo said:
1) People do understand how much JoPa means to Happy Valley. The fact that they still hold him in reverence is indicative of priority failings.

2) According to the Freeh Report, JoPa is not guilty of inaction. He is guilty of active participation. When the administration was prepared to report Sandusky to the proper authorities, he talked them out of it.
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Yes, Joe Paterno persuaded his associates to avoid bringing the situation to light. Yes, their inaction was unfortunate. Yes, not making the situation public violated the Clery Act. Yes, lying to a grand jury is illegal.

No... this does not mean that Penn State needs to completely dissociate from him. The fact that laws were broken certainly shows that Joe Paterno's priorities weren't in the correct order from a legal standpoint, but to say that the entire Penn State community has flawed priorities is outlandish and based entirely on your personal moral compass. There is nothing that the school, fans or community can currently do to undo what occurred. Obviously a lot of people are outraged by the Freeh report findings, and they are absolutely free to feel however they would please about Joe Paterno. Personally, I think Nike and Brown's decisions to remove Paterno's name from the facility and award is the best possible choice they could have made.

But they made that choice. Nike keeping Paterno's name on a child care facility would have been the most ironically abhorrent business decision ever, and Brown obviously did what they felt was right. However, Penn State fans still love Joe Paterno for all the positive he did for the school and community. They're not out of line to want the statue to stand, and it's laughable to say that they're putting their priorities in the wrong order if they don't want their football program to shut down over this incident. You're completely entitled to your opinion that Joe Paterno is a monster, just as they're allowed to view him as a good man who made a horrible mistake.
 
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orangesparkles said:
Yes, Joe Paterno persuaded his associates to avoid bringing the situation to light. Yes, their inaction was unfortunate. Yes, not making the situation public violated the Clery Act. Yes, lying to a grand jury is illegal.

No... this does not mean that Penn State needs to completely dissociate from him. The fact that laws were broken certainly shows that Joe Paterno's priorities weren't in the correct order from a legal standpoint, but to say that the entire Penn State community has flawed priorities is outlandish and based entirely on your personal moral compass. There is nothing that the school, fans or community can currently do to undo what occurred. Obviously a lot of people are outraged by the Freeh report findings, and they are absolutely free to feel however they would please about Joe Paterno. Personally, I think Nike and Brown's decisions to remove Paterno's name from the facility and award is the best possible choice they could have made.

But they made that choice. Nike keeping Paterno's name on a child care facility would have been the most ironically abhorrent business decision ever, and Brown obviously did what they felt was right. However, Penn State fans still love Joe Paterno for all the positive he did for the school and community. They're not out of line to want the statue to stand, and it's laughable to say that they're putting their priorities in the wrong order if they don't want their football program to shut down over this incident. You're completely entitled to your opinion that Joe Paterno is a monster, just as they're allowed to view him as a good man who made a horrible mistake.
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1) Calling their inaction "unfortunate" is a gross mischaracterization. It was tragic, self-serving, complicit and cowardice. Not just Paterno but all who knew.

2) This Board of Trustees should all be forced to resign. The failings of fiduciary responsibility are appalling.
 
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orangesparkles said:
... The fact that laws were broken certainly shows that Joe Paterno's priorities weren't in the correct order from a legal standpoint, ...
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This statement suggests that there is some perspective, other than legal, in which JoPa's priorities would be appropriate. From what "standpoint" would that be?

I find it ridiculous that there is even the need for law such as the Clery Act.
 
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LAJBoys said:
Lets move this to the NCAA Forum. Nobody feels bad for Penn St. We feel bad for the kids involved that such monsters were allowed to continue to do these horrific things. If it was UT I wouldn't feel bad for UT either. I would probably no longer be able to support UT and would honestly not tell people my degree was from there. What happened was and is sickening. I hope the NCAA steps in and lays the hammer down. We like to use the terminology that life is orange and white, etc. Well its all fine and great and football is life to us but not compared to something like this. My only hope for anything involved with Penn State is that the NCAA moves swiftly so that the young men currently on the PSU football team have opportunities to play elsewhere if they like.
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Excellent post.

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txbo said:
This statement suggests that there is some perspective, other than legal, in which JoPa's priorities would be appropriate. From what "standpoint" would that be?

I find it ridiculous that there is even the need for law such as the Clery Act.
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He put his friend and his job/legacy ahead of what at first could have seemed like an incident they could get under control (ie. stop) without speaking to the authorities. Morality is subjective, and becomes especially tricky in a situation like this. I'd love to say that I'd look out for the kids 100% of the time, but if it were my friend involved and my career/legacy on the line... who knows.

It's really easy to say that his priorities were in the wrong order, that Joe Paterno was an evil man. And, for the record, you are fully entitled to do so. But, when you take emotion out of it, the biggest critique becomes the laws which he violated.
 
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