FBI, NCAA, and NBA investigating fraud around basketball point shaving. Tennessee vs Auburn game mentioned

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n_huffhines said:
The $ in major NIL deals, as well as NFL and NBA salaries is a prohibitive factor with gambling fixes. Jovontae Porter was immediately caught, and for what? Pennies on the dollar vs. what he was making as a minimum player in the NBA. The typical college basketball/NBA game doesn't have a ton of $ on the line, and it's kinda easy to catch improprieties.
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Yeah. If you want to claim that mid-major college basketball games are being fixed, I buy that all day. In fact, I'd be surprised if some weren't fixed. The Fresno St story is a perfect example of that.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I had been assured here and elsewhere that my complaints about weird officiating being linked to this sort of thing were unfounded.
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It’s been a long time since I have seen a questionably called football or baseball game? Have you really seen one lately? Wow!
 
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tennrich1 said:
Read a report recently how sports gambling has exploded in the last couple of years and the stories of addiction and destroyed families because of it actually moved me to tears. Utterly sickening to read about the children in these families affected by such activities. One man was painfully $300,000 in the hole with no hope!
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For him, I’m sure the hope was always the next sure thing bet….
 
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Pappy said:
Interesting that sports gambling is shunned, which it should be, but donors are gambling on a kid to come and play to lead a school to glory, but that's ok.
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I think the difference is are you gambling to get rich or using disposable income to have fun.

I have an uncle that has plenty of money. Before he retired he went to Vegas with the wife for a week twice a year. Now retired he goes to the local casinos anytime he can’t get to golf course. I can assure you he is having fun playing with disposable income as his tight handed wife runs the finances.
 
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miket4god said:
I don't know, Music City Bowl against Purdue in '21 comes to mind.
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And the two recent bball tournament games against Purdue. The no touch / phantom 3 shot foul on Turner at last year by looking the other way when the giant pulverized everyone with no fouls called.
 
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I still think there was some shady stuff going on at Bama for the 2023 football game starting with the bogus hand in the air fair catch nonsense. To be honest, most of our Bama games during Saban’s reign had ridiculous calls that were one sided, not just us but against other teams as well.
 
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Volizona said:
And the two recent bball tournament games against Purdue. The no touch / phantom 3 shot foul on Turner at last year by looking the other way when the giant pulverized everyone with no fouls called.
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I remember the local sports radio guys being unable to figure out why Edey wasn't doing much in the NBA. they were all expecting him to have similar results, talking about how his physicality was set up for the pros. the whole time I was thinking "its because he isn't going to the charity line every time he misses a shot anymore"
 
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People on the outside looking in who do not understand that legalized betting for people with gambling addiction are simply naive for cause. Why?

Because betting on sports takes place whether it's illegal and offline. I have watched people prior to an internet in Tennessee get into deep deep financial problems with bookies, gamblers, and casinos from out of state. It's just a matter of a phone call away. Sometimes the bookies call them with a sure thing. Addiction to ANYTHING can and often will be abused by predators and rarely what takes place with their addicted clients is legal.
 
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Remy said:
People on the outside looking in who do not understand that legalized betting for people with gambling addiction are simply naive for cause. Why?

Because betting on sports takes place whether it's illegal and offline. I have watched people prior to an internet in Tennessee get into deep deep financial problems with bookies, gamblers, and casinos from out of state. It's just a matter of a phone call away. Sometimes the bookies call them with a sure thing. Addiction to ANYTHING can and often will be abused by predators and rarely what takes place with their addicted clients is legal.
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I am fine with gambling, and other vices, but argument just doesn't make sense.

but you have expanded access. one of the first things you do with any addict is control their access to whatever it is. yeah they can probably still get some somewhere, but you don't make it easier. and if you are concerned about addiction, you certainly don't open it to the masses, to see if even more people get addicted. if we haven't already, we are definitely going to see even more people dealing with the addiction due to many states making it legal.
 
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Remy said:
People on the outside looking in who do not understand that legalized betting for people with gambling addiction are simply naive for cause. Why?

Because betting on sports takes place whether it's illegal and offline. I have watched people prior to an internet in Tennessee get into deep deep financial problems with bookies, gamblers, and casinos from out of state. It's just a matter of a phone call away. Sometimes the bookies call them with a sure thing. Addiction to ANYTHING can and often will be abused by predators and rarely what takes place with their addicted clients is legal.
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But the hoops you had to jump through to actually make the bets kept most people from ever getting involved. Now the biggest Sports programmer in the world owns its own betting service and some sports betting app sponsors every podcast and tv show that comes on. We have taken something that was endemic and made it a raging pandemic
 
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LouderVol said:
I remember the local sports radio guys being unable to figure out why Edey wasn't doing much in the NBA. they were all expecting him to have similar results, talking about how his physicality was set up for the pros. the whole time I was thinking "its because he isn't going to the charity line every time he misses a shot anymore"
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He's actually have a much better season than everyone anticipated. He's not dominant by any stretch, but nobody expected him to be. Anybody saying his physicality or anything else about his game was set up for the pros doesn't know anything about the NBA.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I had been assured here and elsewhere that my complaints about weird officiating being linked to this sort of thing were unfounded.
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This had NOTHING to do with officials. It was players on these teams shaving points, missing shots on purpose and turnovers. Most in the 1st half. Official's had zero to do with these allegations.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The $ in major NIL deals, as well as NFL and NBA salaries is a prohibitive factor with gambling fixes. Jovontae Porter was immediately caught, and for what? Pennies on the dollar vs. what he was making as a minimum player in the NBA. The typical college basketball/NBA game doesn't have a ton of $ on the line, and it's kinda easy to catch improprieties.
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Not true. NBA is the 2nd most bet sport in the US.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I've seen 4 sporting events in my life that I really do feel were most likely fixed .... That's one of them.

These are the other 3 :

1) Roy Jones Jr. of the USA vs Park Si-hun of South Korea in the Light Middleweight Gold Medal boxing match at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul.

2) Atlanta Braves vs Florida Marlins in Game 5 of the 1997 NLCS when Livan Hernandez was on the mound for the Marlins and Eric Gregg was behind home plate with a strike zone the size of Dade County.

3) The Lakers vs Sacramento Kings in Game 6 of the 2002 NBA Western Conference Finals officiated by Dick Bavetta.
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3) is that the game where Kobe got away with hitting Bibby? I loved that Kings team.
 
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05_never_again said:
A World Series was rigged 106 years ago. There were multiple huge scandals in college basketball in the 50s and 60s and a huge one involving Boston College in 1978-79. This is hardly a recent development.

If anything, having it legal lots of places makes it easier to eventually discover.
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That's true but the difference now is that amount of money involved is astronomically more.
 
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rikberry31 said:
That's true but the difference now is that amount of money involved is astronomically more.
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Compared to what?

Back in the day, professional athletes were paid salaries that were more or less in line with what they could expect from a "normal" job. Many of them worked a job in the offseason. That's how you were able to convince guys to do something as extreme as throwing a World Series in 1919. Can you imagine Aaron Judge throwing a World Series today? He makes $40m/year just from his Yankees salary. There's no amount of money someone could offer him that could convince him to throw a game.
 
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05_never_again said:
Compared to what?

Back in the day, professional athletes were paid salaries that were more or less in line with what they could expect from a "normal" job. Many of them worked a job in the offseason. That's how you were able to convince guys to do something as extreme as throwing a World Series in 1919. Can you imagine Aaron Judge throwing a World Series today? He makes $40m/year just from his Yankees salary. There's no amount of money someone could offer him that could convince him to throw a game.
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I lived back in the day and I also intimately understand the world of gambling. There are a lot of athletes despite their high wages that have massive gambling debt and other high leverage issues (this is often overlooked, a lot of athletes, coaches and refs are in compromising positions that can be used by gamblers). The amount of money and the availability of gambling is unprecedented, this is the golden age of the book and the sucker bet. The incentive for fixing games has never been higher.
Back in the day a guy would owe $10,000 and be in a massive hole. There are athletes today who lose hundreds of thousands of dollars gambling. And their margin is not like you think, they have big bills other places too. A regular joe's house is $200,000, an NBA player's is $5,000,000.
Bottom line is making gambling legal for everyday citizens was a game changer, and not for the good.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I had been assured here and elsewhere that my complaints about weird officiating being linked to this sort of thing were unfounded.
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That's funny given that article had 0 reference to officiating, but multiple references to players being a part of it.
 
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