Fans of other schools what are you thoughts?

#51
#51
cotton said:
I'll say it: UT isn't, and UF is.

Actually, I'm not sure what "premier" means. It has been posted numerous times on the site, but I'd put the Tennessee job at somewhere between the 8th and 15th best job in the country, all things considered. I'd put Florida somewhere in that top 8.
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The only reason why Florida would be a better job over Tennessee is the state in which the gators are in. Florida and Texas are the best two recruiting states and it makes your job a whole lot easier when the players you recruit are in your backyard. Other than that, I don't see why Florida is a much better job than Tennessee.
 
#52
#52
I hate to say this, but you all are going to be in the middle of the SEC east for at least five years.
#1- TN is not going to spend the money BAMA did to go
get a great coach
#2- If TN goes and hires a decent coach it will be tough
to find success in 2-3 years thus leaving the fans
wanting another HC
#3- Recruiting is going suffer dramatically. Without a
pool of great talent it will be tough to be
competitve in 2-3 years
#4- If the next HC does not work out for the big orange
then you all will get caught in the coach carousel.
You definitely don't want to get caght in that
situation then you all will be at the middle or worst
yet at the bottom of the conference for a lot longer
:cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::):)
 
#53
#53
Sudeepvol said:
The only reason why Florida would be a better job over Tennessee is the state in which the gators are in. Florida and Texas are the best two recruiting states and it makes your job a whole lot easier when the players you recruit are in your backyard. Other than that, I don't see why Florida is a much better job than Tennessee.
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Location counts. Recruiting base counts. Recent national success also counts. Those three criteria all go in favor of Florida (or Texas) over UTK. Other than the things that make them better jobs, I don't know what makes them better jobs, either.

None of these things are large enough factors to keep UT from getting a premier coach, and it is a lot easier to keep one than to get one. Also, I might point out that none of the jobs that are measurably better than Tennessee are currently open or are expected to be.
 
#54
#54
Fine Vol said:
says the guy who knows nothing about college football!
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Ok, MR. 18,000 posts

If you don't realize that the rest of the SEC coaches are thrilled to have fulmer out of their way then I can't explain anything to you.
 
#55
#55
I believe it was time for Fulmer to step down even before the season started. I think his offense had become outdated and too easily read.

I will watch the hiring process with interest. I do hope though, that Phil's replacement will be allowed the time he'll need to return Tennessee to the top tier. I worry that your fan's immediate demand for improvement may be too overwhelming for some coaches to consider the position.

That said, I have no doubt that Tennessee is a quality job, and your chances for an outstanding hire are very, very good.

Best of luck, though. Sincerely. It's an exhausting process to watch as a fan.
 
#56
#56
Token Kentucky Fan weighs in at the risk of being bludgeoned to death:

1. Fulmer needed to go for the sake of the program. Boosters, students, and fans were way too divided for him ever to be effective at the helm again.

2. How successful will the new coach be? I'll reserve judgment until they actually hire somebody. The new coach better win quick, I'll say that. But I think that it's not in UT's interest to bring in a slick Nick Saban type who can win quick, but is not likely to stick around for a long time.

3. Tennessee is a premier program. They will be able to get an elite coach, but can they get THE elite coach suited for their program?

4. Players will rally around Phil and take 2 of the next 3 games. Not saying which two, tho. ;)
 
#57
#57
I was going to stay quiet. I know you guys don't like Alabama fans much.

But since you asked:

I think UT made the absolute right decision. I don't like Fulmer for his "anonymous" role he had in the UA sanctions, but I am certainly smart enough to know that if we were cheating, then we deserved to be punished, despite his role.

With that being said, you can't deny that Fulmer is one of the legendary coaches of the SEC. He did a lot for UT and the entire state. But it was time for him to go, and the sooner the better. IMO, this played out exactly how it should (unless the rumors about the players not knowing are true.) UT needs to get on the map early to let potential coaches know of the opportunity. With this move, it allows Fulmer to bow out gracefully, preserving his legacy. And it allows UT to move forward with the program.

However the next phase will be crucial. Alabama has tried it every conceivable way since Stalling retired: Promoting an assistant (Dubose), hiring "the hot hand" (Franchione and Price), and hiring an alumnus and former player (Shula). None of it worked until we finally decided to hire a proven winner.

Hamilton has done good with this move. But the most important one still remains.

Anyway...just my $.02.
 
#58
#58
TrueOrange said:
saban was 2 years, but he also had the good stockhold of recruits that bama had from shula's term, especially when he gave them that 10-2 year; bama was already on the brink, they just needed the right coach to put them over the edge
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We avg and 11th ranked class the last couple of years, so if we're going by that we should be on the brink.


If they went 500. last year they were not on the brink.
 
#59
#59
bmfcox said:
I hate to say this, but you all are going to be in the middle of the SEC east for at least five years.
#1- TN is not going to spend the money BAMA did to go
get a great coach
#2- If TN goes and hires a decent coach it will be tough
to find success in 2-3 years thus leaving the fans
wanting another HC
#3- Recruiting is going suffer dramatically. Without a
pool of great talent it will be tough to be
competitve in 2-3 years
#4- If the next HC does not work out for the big orange
then you all will get caught in the coach carousel.
You definitely don't want to get caght in that
situation then you all will be at the middle or worst
yet at the bottom of the conference for a lot longer
:cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::cray::):)
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This is nothing more than wishful thinking from a rival fan.

Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Alabama are all on notice. Tennessee has a chance to fire the shot heard round the conference with this hire...I hope it's a blockbuster. And, if it is, the Vols can make an immediate return to the top 10.
 
#60
#60
Jaytrain5 said:
This is nothing more than wishful thinking from a rival fan.

Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Alabama are all on notice. Tennessee has a chance to fire the shot heard round the conference with this hire...I hope it's a blockbuster. And, if it is, the Vols can make an immediate return to the top 10.
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Hey I was saying the exact same thing 12 years ago
 
#63
#63
lawgator1 said:
See my posts elsewhere. In a nutshell:

1) This was inevitable.

2) It will take UT 3-4 years to be competitive with the top of the SEC again, but I think UT fans by and large accept that.

3) It will happen. UT will be a power once again. But as I say it will take a few years.

4) The UT head coaching job is not a premier job. But its a very, very good job. I think there will be a lot of interest, especially since as I say I think the fans will give the new hire a break for at least three years to rebuild things.

5) Fulmer is subtly blaming the players for this season and, to some extent, his demise.

Overall, happy for you guys. UT will be back and this had to happen, first.
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Yeah,youreright,just like it took Alabama and Florida 4 years...What horse crap.
 
#64
#64
lawgator1 said:
What makes a job a premier job? Level of pay? Level of success before you got there or while you were there? Facilities? Booosters? Size of stadium?

Its all subjective.

I think Florida is on the verge, but they haven't had the sustained success I think of when I think premier. Same with UT, especially lately.
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Your original list was right on the money.

A premier job is 1) established success, 2) supportative fans, and 3) very fertile recruiting grounds.

The Vols have the first one but 2 has been exposed as a fraud this season and 3 has never existed.
 
#68
#68
Hope for the best but everyone needs to brace themselves for a few lean years. With that said, nothing can get better until it hits rock bottom... that happened this year.
 
#71
#71
The week of the Tennessee game I posted that the Vols should keep Fulmer. The more I thought about it, however,
I realized that the Vols have not won an SEC championship in 10 years. Despite a pretty good record, i can see a fanbase like Tennessee's expecting more than just pretty good. I will say that this year's UT team maybe the worst I have seen out of the Vols in a long, long, time. There is no reason they should be playing this poorly with a senior tailback and a great defense.

With that being said, firing a coach for whatever reason comes with a risk that I am sure you all are well aware. There is no gurantee that the first coach will work out. It may take a couple to find your man in the long run. I wish you guys the best of luck, I know how miserable it is when your team sucks.
 
#72
#72
crimsonmoon said:
The week of the Tennessee game I posted that the Vols should keep Fulmer. The more I thought about it, however,
I realized that the Vols have not won an SEC championship in 10 years. Despite a pretty good record, i can see a fanbase like Tennessee's expecting more than just pretty good. I will say that this year's UT team maybe the worst I have seen out of the Vols in a long, long, time. There is no reason they should be playing this poorly with a senior tailback and a great defense.

With that being said, firing a coach for whatever reason comes with a risk that I am sure you all are well aware. There is no gurantee that the first coach will work out. It may take a couple to find your man in the long run. I wish you guys the best of luck, I know how miserable it is when your team sucks.
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Great post.
 
#73
#73
cotton said:
Location counts. Recruiting base counts. Recent national success also counts. Those three criteria all go in favor of Florida (or Texas) over UTK. Other than the things that make them better jobs, I don't know what makes them better jobs, either.

None of these things are large enough factors to keep UT from getting a premier coach, and it is a lot easier to keep one than to get one. Also, I might point out that none of the jobs that are measurably better than Tennessee are currently open or are expected to be.
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I agree about location and recruiting, but I disagree about the "recent national success" Bama didn't have recent national success when they picked up a high profile coach in Saban. Neither did Florida. The only way a school, that is looking for a coach, can have recent national success is if their coach retires. If Jo Pa stepped down at the end of last season, I don't think they would have too much trouble in finding a top notch coach. I think the history of the program and the dedication of fans (filling up 105 K seats for every game) is a lot more important than recent national success.
 
#74
#74
It was the right choice, i love CPF to death and the 90's were amazing, we were the powerhouse of college football, but times have changed. The talent is at Tennessee, its in players that you wouldn't expect it from. We just need a new OC and a new HC to come in and work with them and polish that talent. I saw crompton 2 years ago at the LSU game where he came in, I was so excited to see him start this year, but it seemed like the kid hasn't done anything since the LSU game in 06. The job is a premier job, we have a huge LOYAL fan base. We dont hate on a bad season, we hate on several bad seasons in a row. We put up the money to see our guys play no matter what, we make the drive from all across tennessee to see them no matter what the record is. But its almost painful to wear even a UT hat, cause we all know we are better than this. Go hire a young guy that will come in and discipline the ever living hell out of some of these kids and fire them up! We need another Trooper Taylor!
 
#75
#75
Sudeepvol said:
I agree about location and recruiting, but I disagree about the "recent national success" Bama didn't have recent national success when they picked up a high profile coach in Saban. Neither did Florida. The only way a school, that is looking for a coach, can have recent national success is if their coach retires. If Jo Pa stepped down at the end of last season, I don't think they would have too much trouble in finding a top notch coach. I think the history of the program and the dedication of fans (filling up 105 K seats for every game) is a lot more important than recent national success.
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It depends on how recent the history is. Bama and Florida both had national success recently enough that recruits and coaches and sportswriters all knew they were powers, even if the past 5 years hadn't been quite as stellar. UT is in a similar situation, but if you were giving the nod today, Texas and Florida would have an advantage; that is all I was trying to say.
 
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