Fallout from the one-time transfer rule?

[OffTackleVol]

You know there's going to be issues, both positive and negative. I can see the non power 5 schools (MTSU, Southern Miss, La Tech, etc.) and smaller schools (UTC, Jacksonville St. etc.) getting better players because of it. If a player at Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, etc. hasn't earned a starting position or significant playing time by his junior year, why transfer to another power 5 school? This one time transfer rule really opens up a bunch of unknowns that may get rather interesting.

 

[Ten_Titans]

You know there's going to be issues, both positive and negative. I can see the non power 5 schools (MTSU, Southern Miss, La Tech, etc.) and smaller schools (UTC, Jacksonville St. etc.) getting better players because of it. If a player at Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, etc. hasn't earned a starting position or significant playing time by his junior year, why transfer to another power 5 school? This one time transfer rule really opens up a bunch of unknowns that may get rather interesting.

There is also the real possibility of players like Mike Woods doing well at a lower tier school and then transferring to one of the 6 schools that are allowed to play in the playoffs. (Even though in Woods case he is a grad transfer)

 

[jpope9]

one thing also being overlooked from the majority are the impact on highschool players. Teams are going to start holding scholarships for potential transfers instead of offering a kid out of highschool.

 

[joevol33]

one thing also being overlooked from the majority are the impact on highschool players. Teams are going to start holding scholarships for potential transfers instead of offering a kid out of highschool.

I've thought about this

 

[finn]

In general, the Transfer Portal is another way for the rich to get richer. The cream of the lower conference crop will jump at the chance to step up to the next level and enjoy the better coaching, training, facilities, tv exposure and, of course, fatter envelopes of cash. Effectively, the Mid-Majors run the risk of becoming the 'farm teams' of the Power 5.

To Jpope9's point, why take a risk on a HS player when you can scoop up the best 2nd year DB or LB from the MAC or Sunbelt? There will always be room for 5 star prospects but some of the 4 and a lot of the 3 star guys might end up in a lower tier conference than they initially thought.

On a positive note, hopefully we won't have to worry about losing to GA State again...

 

[sanefan]

Regardless of your opinion on transfers in general, right now all schools are required to stay at the 25 initial qualifier limit per year. This is in place regardless of where the school is relative to the 85 scholarship limit.

Unless some or all transfers are somehow counted differently, any school using the transfer portal to add players will have to limit the number of high school scholarships in order to do that, which will reduce the number of players out of high school getting scholarships in the first place. I hope this gets addressed.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Regardless of your opinion on transfers in general, right now all schools are required to stay at the 25 initial qualifier limit per year. This is in place regardless of where the school is relative to the 85 scholarship limit.

Unless some or all transfers are somehow counted differently, any school using the transfer portal to add players will have to limit the number of high school scholarships in order to do that, which will reduce the number of players out of high school getting scholarships in the first place. I hope this gets addressed.

The limit of 25 also helps in some ways to prevent overuse of transfers. A team won't want to load the roster with upper classmen transfers, because if If they can only add 25 in a given year, they don't want to lose more than 25 in any given year.

 

[butchna]

You know there's going to be issues, both positive and negative. I can see the non power 5 schools (MTSU, Southern Miss, La Tech, etc.) and smaller schools (UTC, Jacksonville St. etc.) getting better players because of it. If a player at Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, etc. hasn't earned a starting position or significant playing time by his junior year, why transfer to another power 5 school? This one time transfer rule really opens up a bunch of unknowns that may get rather interesting.

I don’t see the benefit for smaller schools. Players have never needed to sit out a year if they transferred from FBS to FCS.

 

[OffTackleVol]

I don’t see the benefit for smaller schools. Players have never needed to sit out a year if they they transferred from FBS to FCS.

True, had forgotten about that. Good catch...........

 

[Probably_in_Class]

Regular students can transfer schools with no penalties. Coaches can hop schools at will. I don't see any reason why student athletes shouldn't be allowed to change schools freely. Just because it's always been that way, doesn't mean it's right.

 

[JRich]

Interesting topic, I'll chime in.

If a player is truly a "student" they should be able to transfer to any school they academically qualify for without restrictions or penalties, just like any other student. Let's be honest here, we're talking about the blue chip studs and all the money generated by college football.

Make football like baseball, hockey, and basketball (minus the stupid one and done rule) - create a NFL D league or farm league. Tighten down on college programs playing players and return college football to the student athlete. If all a kid wants to do is play football, let him go play football and earn his way to the NFL that way.

Many kids go to the MLB straight from HS or go into the minors, but college baseball is still entertaining and most of those players stay and graduate. Granted, I know that a HS senior football player is in no way ready to play against 22-35 year old professionals, but after a few years in a minor league football program he could get called up to play in the NFL. I think it would also filter out many of the busts in the NFL. Each NFL team can have one minor league team in a small market city.

 

[gohogs14]

There is also the real possibility of players like Mike Woods doing well at a lower tier school and then transferring to one of the 6 schools that are allowed to play in the playoffs. (Even though in Woods case he is a grad transfer)

Yeah if the top 5 schools are going to be constantly poaching the best players from the mid and lower tier schools it's going to be real hard for those fans to not become apathetic about college football. People are already getting tired of seeing Alabama and Clemson play for it all every year. If Alabama makes a habit of taking the best players from Ole Miss, South Carolina or Missouri it will kill their interest. What's the point?

With this new transfer rule the NCAA really needs to get rid of the initial counter recruiting rule. In basketball you can lose a player one day then pick up a new one the next, but you can't do that in football because your signing class is full that you completed months ago. Or coaches are going to only sign like 10 high school players every year then leave 15 spots open for transfers...what a mess.

 

[508mikey]

Its a depth killer for P5 schools

 

[jarnol32]

Yeah if the top 5 schools are going to be constantly poaching the best players from the mid and lower tier schools it's going to be real hard for those fans to not become apathetic about college football. People are already getting tired of seeing Alabama and Clemson play for it all every year. If Alabama makes a habit of taking the best players from Ole Miss, South Carolina or Missouri it will kill their interest. What's the point?

With this new transfer rule the NCAA really needs to get rid of the initial counter recruiting rule. In basketball you can lose a player one day then pick up a new one the next, but you can't do that in football because your signing class is full that you completed months ago. Or coaches are going to only sign like 10 high school players every year then leave 15 spots open for transfers...what a mess.

I think it will go the opposite way. Players not seeing the field at places like bama and Clemson will transfer to other schools to get playing time. Also it should help teams like Tennessee rebuild faster. They can plug in transfers where they need them and compete faster than ever before.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

It changes everything! For one, FCS players used to not be able to transfer up to FBS level schools. Now that's out the window! If there's a breakout FCS player that's dominating at that level and wants to transfer up to a bigger program they can. Also, where schools would sign a class of 25 high school players or maybe a few JUCO transfers, you're going to see schools signing fewer high school players to make room for a bunch of transfer portal players. I'm telling you, this will completely change college sports as we know it. Somebody said it on the radio the other day (I forgot who it was) but basically they said there are no more college football, baseball, basketball "programs" anymore. It's just going to be fresh rosters from one year to the next.

 

[VolNavy01]

Its a depth killer for P5 schools

Except Alabama.........

 

[sanefan]

The limit of 25 also helps in some ways to prevent overuse of transfers. A team won't want to load the roster with upper classmen transfers, because if If they can only add 25 in a given year, they don't want to lose more than 25 in any given year.

I not disagreeing on the 25 from a high school standpoint. However, an unintended consequence of transfers is fewer HS players may get a scholarship.

For example, team A and B can give 25 scholarships and hit 85 total.

Team A gives 25 to HS players and then has 5 transfer. They only have 80 on scholarship now.

Team B gives 20 to HS and gets the 5 transfers. They have 85 but there are fewer players total and the group that gets hit is the high school players.

It's not going to have much of an affect on the big schools, but there are fewer scholarships given every year because of the transfers. Not everyone thinks this is wrong, but it is a real consequence that boils down to less people getting scholarships.

It also results in scholarships not being offered, or worse pulled, from HS guys based on unexpected transfers.

 

[hog88]

Interesting topic, I'll chime in.

If a player is truly a "student" they should be able to transfer to any school they academically qualify for without restrictions or penalties, just like any other student. Let's be honest here, we're talking about the blue chip studs and all the money generated by college football.

Make football like baseball, hockey, and basketball (minus the stupid one and done rule) - create a NFL D league or farm league. Tighten down on college programs playing players and return college football to the student athlete. If all a kid wants to do is play football, let him go play football and earn his way to the NFL that way.

Many kids go to the MLB straight from HS or go into the minors, but college baseball is still entertaining and most of those players stay and graduate. Granted, I know that a HS senior football player is in no way ready to play against 22-35 year old professionals, but after a few years in a minor league football program he could get called up to play in the NFL. I think it would also filter out many of the busts in the NFL. Each NFL team can have one minor league team in a small market city.

I would love to see the NFL and NBA create an MLB type farm league system and adopt the same draft rules and the MLB.

 

[gohogs14]

I think it will go the opposite way. Players not seeing the field at places like bama and Clemson will transfer to other schools to get playing time. Also it should help teams like Tennessee rebuild faster. They can plug in transfers where they need them and compete faster than ever before.

Then the Alabama and Clemsons still win because they're getting proven good players from other teams most likely and losing backups who may or may not turn out to be any good. It wouldn't do those teams any good to get the next Blake Barnett or Star Jackson just because they were rated highly in high school lol.

 

[IndianaVol]

It's as close to free agency as the NCAA can / could get...and free agency has absolutely ruined professional sports.
College sports will soon be the same.

With the exception of the occasional outlier, the same teams will perpetually be in the playoffs and championships.
Fans will lose interest, revenue will decline.
But unlike say the NFL or NBA, the 'owners' (schools) will step up and rise up against the NCAA and hopefully act before it gets too bad.

 

[onevol74]

Interesting topic, I'll chime in.

If a player is truly a "student" they should be able to transfer to any school they academically qualify for without restrictions or penalties, just like any other student. Let's be honest here, we're talking about the blue chip studs and all the money generated by college football.

Make football like baseball, hockey, and basketball (minus the stupid one and done rule) - create a NFL D league or farm league. Tighten down on college programs playing players and return college football to the student athlete. If all a kid wants to do is play football, let him go play football and earn his way to the NFL that way.

Many kids go to the MLB straight from HS or go into the minors, but college baseball is still entertaining and most of those players stay and graduate. Granted, I know that a HS senior football player is in no way ready to play against 22-35 year old professionals, but after a few years in a minor league football program he could get called up to play in the NFL. I think it would also filter out many of the busts in the NFL. Each NFL team can have one minor league team in a small market city.

I agree. The educational institutions should stop prostituting themselves. If kids want to be students then let them play for college teams. Otherwise, go to the farm league.

 

[backdoorcutvol]

The professional teams are eating the hand that feeds them.

 

[jarnol32]

Then the Alabama and Clemsons still win because they're getting proven good players from other teams most likely and losing backups who may or may not turn out to be any good. It wouldn't do those teams any good to get the next Blake Barnett or Star Jackson just because they were rated highly in high school lol.

Who wants to transfer to Alabama or Clemson to ride the pine? Who is to say that the backups aren’t better players than what Tennessee or Arkansas has starting? Btw Arkansas sucks just as bad as Tennessee does troll.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Regular students can transfer schools with no penalties. Coaches can hop schools at will. I don't see any reason why student athletes shouldn't be allowed to change schools freely. Just because it's always been that way, doesn't mean it's right.

There is no externally imposed limit on how many "regular students" can enter a particular university. If 100 students transfer from LSU to Auburn, neither school is restricted from replacing those students in whatever fashion they choose. I read that 1700 players entered the transfer portal. If half transfer, that is 850 fewer scholarships available this year for graduating HS players.

I think it makes sense to adopt rules that allow a school to recover from a mass transfer year. Maybe an extra initial qualifier for every two that leave. You don't want schools encouraging transfers, either.

That total shocked me.

Transfer portal updates: Tracking Power Five transfers

 

[sechamp2012]

I agree. The educational institutions should stop prostituting themselves. If kids want to be students then let them play for college teams. Otherwise, go to the farm league.

In some ways, it's already a farce. They have created programs that are for nothing else but to assure the GPA of the team stay above water. Basically Underwater basket weaving classes, no real prospects for a career for the student. Just CYA like UNC etal. Everybody knows it and know these students, even if they graduate are going to go in the same job pool as HS grads.