Fake Injuries...

[BenGrimm]

The very least they can do is only allow the injured player to sub and the coach is not allowed to huddle up unless calls an official timeout.

 

[sjt18]

The very least they can do is only allow the injured player to sub and the coach is not allowed to huddle up unless calls an official timeout.

That's not a bad idea. Maybe allow the O to huddle up but not the D. So faking an injury gives your opponent a timeout that you don't get.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???

Slip crushed Dyazide pills or 4 gallons of elderberry juice into their gatorade. Sort of it becoming the Real Thing.

 

[VOLtaism]

Won’t work. Good idea. A neutral trainer can not tell if I am faking it.

Its very easy to see those faking injury because of the way they call the play. 99% of the time its a guy standing up, the play is called, and then he falls to the ground in pain. If they stay on the ground when the whistle blows they are injured if they fall down later they need to sit out a while. Anyone can spot it.

 

[3holenones]

It’s my understanding the NCAA have expressed their disapproval of faking injuries and are trying to figure out the best way to address the issue without jeopardizing the safety of the players.

Right now it’s all after the fact, turn in footage of fakers and they get in trouble with the NCAA, process. I get it. They know it’s a problem so blatantly faking injuries to make a point isn’t going to be answer and actually could get JH in “trouble”.

I would like to see a montage of obvious fakes on the the video boards to start the 2nd and 4th quarters.

A rule change that a team can only sub for the players that are injured, unless a TO is called or the other team decides to sub too.

This doesn’t address the in game implications of fake injuries completely, but it’s a start that won’t jeopardize the players’ safety.

I was fortunate enough to attend a game last year and one of our guys keep getting hurt on the PAT. After the game an opposing fan made the comment that our guys had too many cookies to eat before the game. After I explained to him that faking an injury going into a tv timeout isn’t how it works, but after 2nd down is the best time to fake and injury since the injury TO gives the team a chance to sub for fresh players, giving the coaches a chance to go over strategy and disrupt the rhythm of the offense.

I think we will see better acting this year.

I definitely agree with the team only being allowed to sub for the player that’s injured. They should not allow the team to completely change their defense.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

How about a mandate of only NCAA-appointed, neutral medical and training staffs, present for game situations only? This would allow the schools to still utilize trainers and medical staff during practices and scrimmages but take out some of the potential bias of a trainer or medic present from the other team to observe and still have the “injured player” fake the injury in the tent.

Likely a pipe dream, but I don’t see how this option could be bad if they really want to enact a change yet still not penalize offenses by stopping the pace/flow of a game for substitutions all the time.

These people are way to greedy to let go of the kind of money it would take to implement that.

 

[LadyVolette]

How about a mandate of only NCAA-appointed, neutral medical and training staffs, present for game situations only? This would allow the schools to still utilize trainers and medical staff during practices and scrimmages but take out some of the potential bias of a trainer or medic present from the other team to observe and still have the “injured player” fake the injury in the tent.

Likely a pipe dream, but I don’t see how this option could be bad if they really want to enact a change yet still not penalize offenses by stopping the pace/flow of a game for substitutions all the time.

Is too logical… maybe too expensive.. an MD worth a damn is not going to be influenced by the coach, one would hope.. plus there are Stark/ anti-kickback laws in place.. if I were the NCAA… I might look into that one.. Players health should be paramount above all else

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???

I won't share my brilliance again in this thread, but suggest you go to the following thread....

NCAA Tweaks Rules for Targeting, Fake Injuries Ahead of 2022 CFB Season

It has been kicked around pretty good over there.

 

[Arrested Devolopment]

Nothing will be done about it until some team does it vs Alabama and Saban complains about it.

That team should be Tennessee. It won't help us, but it will make a point.

 

[LadyVolette]

How about a mandate of only NCAA-appointed, neutral medical and training staffs, present for game situations only? This would allow the schools to still utilize trainers and medical staff during practices and scrimmages but take out some of the potential bias of a trainer or medic present from the other team to observe and still have the “injured player” fake the injury in the tent.

Likely a pipe dream, but I don’t see how this option could be bad if they really want to enact a change yet still not penalize offenses by stopping the pace/flow of a game for substitutions all the time.

Is too logical

NCAA refuses to do anything that looks punitive to floppers, lest it encourage a player to stay in the game to avoid hurting his teams chances. The irony of that is that when Hooker had a no-doubter injury and had to go,out, it cost TN 10 seconds of valuable clock time. It probably cost us a play, at least made us run a more desperate play. Why does this work for the offense, but not the defense?

If the NCAA higher ups were smart, which they aren’t.. they would make them sit if they truly cared about the health and safety of the players.. that is more important than how much time they play.. that’s not what they care about

 

[LadyVolette]

Nothing you can do because a trainer is always going to take any injury serious. That being said there’s not a trainer alive that’s going to go against the HC if he says to “buy us some time”.

I think should be a rule that MDs override’trainers’ (I’m not sure their credentials).. as a nurse, I can’t override the doctor, I can voice my concerns, but I can’t go rogue lol

 

[Iam4utalways]

Its very easy to see those faking injury because of the way they call the play. 99% of the time its a guy standing up, the play is called, and then he falls to the ground in pain. If they stay on the ground when the whistle blows they are injured if they fall down later they need to sit out a while. Anyone can spot it.

Those are the ones that should be put up on the Jumbotron. I expect the coaches that will use fake injuries for extra timeouts will have their players be a little more discreet when faking.

 

[MDVols]

The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???

I wonder if they count being out of breath the same as an injury. I’m pretty sure in the Georgia game last year they stopped play because that big DL needed water.

 

[LadyVolette]

Its very easy to see those faking injury because of the way they call the play. 99% of the time its a guy standing up, the play is called, and then he falls to the ground in pain. If they stay on the ground when the whistle blows they are injured if they fall down later they need to sit out a while. Anyone can spot it.

Absolutely.. if you are legit hurt or cramping you don’t spring up then fall down lol unless you had syncope..then you really need to sit out lol

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

That's a great idea!!!
If the Vols start frequently faking defensive injuries against Bama or UGa, the NCAA will have a rule to stop it within a week.

 

[BLUTickbusdriver]

This is where we are headed if the NCAA doesn’t get serious about this issue:

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Its very easy to see those faking injury because of the way they call the play. 99% of the time its a guy standing up, the play is called, and then he falls to the ground in pain. If they stay on the ground when the whistle blows they are injured if they fall down later they need to sit out a while. Anyone can spot it.

Agree in principle, but you can't put the officials in the health analysis or drama judging role real time.

As I posted in other thread (short version), any player that requires an injury timeout gets 5 clock minutes with his own medical team before he is eligible for reentry. Offense or defense. And for sure he is the only player on that team that can be substituted. I think it is better if the other team gets to respond with one sub also. This eliminates a defense from correcting alignment issues and going to a nickle package, or back and only losing the guy they wanted off the field anyway.

Offense is less of a problem, because if they sub one guy the defense is allowed to respond, but the rule should be inclusive. The flip side could become clock saving by going down, to avoid a play clock violation or just stopping the game clock. Maybe have a special rule for the QB if he goes down due to contact and does not just fall down.

 

[VOLtaism]

Agree in principle, but you can't put the officials in the health analysis or drama judging role real time.

As I posted in other thread (short version), any player that requires an injury timeout gets 5 clock minutes with his own medical team before he is eligible for reentry. Offense or defense. And for sure he is the only player on that team that can be substituted. I think it is better if the other team gets to respond with one sub also. This eliminates a defense from correcting alignment issues and going to a nickle package, or back and only losing the guy they wanted off the field anyway.

Offense is less of a problem, because if they sub one guy the defense is allowed to respond, but the rule should be inclusive. The flip side could become clock saving by going down, to avoid a play clock violation or just stopping the game clock. Maybe have a special rule for the QB if he goes down due to contact and does not just fall down.

Then just make it a penalty judgement call by the ref. The point is to make them stop, once stopped it will no longer be an issue.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Then just make it a penalty judgement call by the ref. The point is to make them stop, once stopped it will no longer be an issue.

That concept might last till the first guy is penalized and then has a fracture confirmed following the game. Time and timeouts to avoid time is the only practical way I can see. Maybe a down rollback if on defense or loss of down on offense, but don't see that flying either. No judgement required if they stop the clock for an injury. Just follow the procedure.

 

[sgtwebb1]

Nothing will be done about it until some team does it vs Alabama and Saban complains about it.

In that case, I say UT needs to flop at least as many flops in the 'Bama game, as Ole Piss did against us last year.

 

[jim pique]

Have a ref eye the player with the "injury",that once the player is on the sideline,he is not jumping up and down to enter the next play.Also,multiple flops by the same player wil get him a concussion type time- consuming evaluation before re- entering the gameThat should take a quarter,at least.

 

[VOLtaism]

That concept might last till the first guy is penalized and then has a fracture confirmed following the game. Time and timeouts to avoid time is the only practical way I can see. Maybe a down rollback if on defense or loss of down on offense, but don't see that flying either. No judgement required if they stop the clock for an injury. Just follow the procedure.

Make this a small deal. The ref can easily see the player looking to the sideline and getting the signal. You don't need to penalize them all, just the obvious ones to start. Once coaches see the conference is serious they will stop. Put the problem back on the coaches. No one will be on their side, even their own fans.

 

[UTblood4life]

Definitely learning to control the clock like fulmer did,but we were beast mode on the offensive line we could run it down anyone's throats, now u have to adjust to beat the fake injuries and that's smash mouth football

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Make this a small deal. The ref can easily see the player looking to the sideline and getting the signal. You don't need to penalize them all, just the obvious ones to start. Once coaches see the conference is serious they will stop. Put the problem back on the coaches. No one will be on their side, even their own fans.

The last thing I want to see is another judgement call for officials to unevenly apply. Targeting alone should tell you all you need to know. If you make it a call you might have to go to video review. Make it a procedure and it is over in 15 seconds applied evenly every time. Worst case is a player gets a rest at the little tent behind the bench and his backup gets a few minutes.

 

[GulfCoasterVol]

Nothing will be done about it until some team does it vs Alabama and Saban complains about it.

It would be VERY easy to to have a rule against it implemented.....

When a team starts doing it to us like Ole Miss did last year...... we start doing it after EVERY SINGLE PLAY for the WHOLE GAME. That's when you will see a rule change. (or....... can you imagine doing that against Saban... rule change would be in effect within a day).