Fair Market Value, College Football Players

[Burger]

I think we'd all be a lot better off with an exclusive, paid college club league (50 teams?) and the remaining (70?) division 1 schools could pursue amateurism and competitive balance. There can't be competitive balance when the top teams have players with $500k in market value and the bottom teams have players with next to $0 market value.

I would be happy to never see Tennessee vs Montana again.

Problem is that many schools like Montana would fold without the payday.

 

[n_huffhines]

Problem is that many schools like Montana would fold without the payday.

No they wouldn't. I went to Southern Utah and they ran an FCS operation for over a decade before they ever got a big pay day...if you can call Air Force or Utah St a big pay day.

 

[Escape Goat]

9 of the top 20 are SEC schools. Some notably absent schools that I would have thought were highly profitable: Ole Miss, Clemson, UCLA, Wisconsin, Iowa, Miami, USC, Arizona State, Virginia Tech.

Trust me, the recruits at ole miss, and Clemson get paid.

 

[ddubb76]

This is exactly what is wrong with modern America. This is why we have the choice of trump or Hillary. Because people think they deserve or are owed something. I own a small business, just because I make a million dollars don't mean that my employees( that I don't make that money without) deserve anything more than what they agreed to doing it for to start with. If they want the million they can do what I did and start their own business and make the million or more. They agreed to play for a free education( more than I got) and need to fulfill their obligation. The nfl players don't need to worry what the owners make nor do college players need to know what the schools make. In the minority here but that is my two cents.

 

[99gator]

My big axe to grind is that in this debate these athletic programs are labeled as being businesses. They aren't. Not in the traditional sense.

First of all, there is no owner or stockholders. No one is walking away with the money. They always say with something shady.....follow the money. Yes, the athletic director and some coaches make a nice salary. No doubt. But, there aren't owners of this company.....because it isn't a company.

Secondly, if you want to think of an athletic department as a corporation, fine. This corporation has 20 divisions. 2 divisions make money and 18 divisions lose money. 100+ companies that each have 18 divisions that have lost money for over 100 years. No one has ever made a dime off of it and yet they continue to exist. Any normal business would shut down the losing divisions and maximize profit from the divisions that make money. Universities don't do that. They continue to trot out a women's golf team even though they don't make money. Even worse, the more successful a losing division is....the more money you lose. If you are bad at women's gymnastics your team doesn't qualify for postseason NCAA tournament competition.....which means you don't have to travel to compete, you don't have to stay in hotels, etc, etc, etc. You save money by losing!

Third....To show how politics effect everything....no one gives a damn about the "workers (however you want to classify them)" in those losing enterprises. They only care about the athletes from the profitable enterprises. Well, for one thing, have a chat with the Title IX folks. Another problem is why aren't these athletes thought of in the same way? Did they also not labor?

Lastly, every "greedy" move made by the NCAA or these institutions in order to squeeze out more dollars from the profitable programs is all in an effort to fund the other athletic programs, and in large part, to be or become Title IX compliant. Because, as a I said earlier, no one is walking away with any of the money.

Just drives me nuts.

 

[TNnative]

Many of the advocates of the "college players should be paid" argument are SJWs that overstate their argument, but it doesn't mean that they are completely off base.

Can anybody say with a straight face that Johnny Manziel, for example, was fairly compensated for his time at Texas A&M?

The 3rd string offensive lineman on scholarship gets a great deal. The starting QB who isn't quite good enough to go pro gets a great deal. Manziel? Tebow? Newton? Not so much.

Who cares if Manziel was fairly compensated? Had he been, I have no doubt how he would have ended up. Bad example.

And I find it shallow, especially when you look at other issues, to worry about the fair compensation of the three you mentioned. The Panthers are taking care of Cam, God is taking care of Tebow, and Manziel is too wasted to care.

 

[TNnative]

Problem is that many schools like Montana would fold without the payday.

No, those schools would not fold.They would just not have sports programs.

 

[81Orange]

The NFL doesn't make players go to college. They just don't allow them in the league until theee years out of highschool. Minor league football would work if players thought it was a better path to the NFL. I have to think most players prefer the advantages of college football.
Remember in soccer (other than the USA) the club system is predominant.
I think that sports that take kids directly from HS exploit them more than the current college/NFL system. How many kids sign baseball contracts then go bust. No education, and not enough cash to spit at from a life perspective.

 

[swchandler1988]

Any football players in a Power 5 conference get paid in addition to the free education and whatever perks they get. They already get paid...this is a fact as of spring 2015.

NCAA Colleges To Cover Attendance Expenses For Scholarship Athletes.

 

[n_huffhines]

This is exactly what is wrong with modern America. This is why we have the choice of trump or Hillary. Because people think they deserve or are owed something. I own a small business, just because I make a million dollars don't mean that my employees( that I don't make that money without) deserve anything more than what they agreed to doing it for to start with. If they want the million they can do what I did and start their own business and make the million or more. They agreed to play for a free education( more than I got) and need to fulfill their obligation. The nfl players don't need to worry what the owners make nor do college players need to know what the schools make. In the minority here but that is my two cents.

What are you talking about?

 

[n_huffhines]

Any football players in a Power 5 conference get paid in addition to the free education and whatever perks they get. They already get paid...this is a fact as of spring 2015.

NCAA Colleges To Cover Attendance Expenses For Scholarship Athletes.

Covering expenses isn't exactly pay. If it is, then they aren't amateurs and there should be no qualms about them doing endorsements.

 

[BanditVol]

I thought this was gonna be about how much bammer pays their players. Hm.

 

[volglass]

In any facet of college life, only one class of people have any financial restriction on them at all and that’s athletes. .

Not true. Many universities don't allow Freshmen to live off campus. My law school didn't allow first year students to work more than 20-30 hours part time (I don't remember exactly) and I would imagine medical schools have similar restrictions. Also, I believe many undergrad grants have restrictions. Basically, if you want the money you have to play by their rules.