Fact: Tennessee Fans Refuse to Understand

#51
#51
I agree. It was a top 10 job up until the early part of the 2000's. It may not be a top 25 job right now but it can still pay top 1 or 2 money. I think the top ten (in no particular order) jobs are:

Texas
Florida
USC (unless they face some NCAA trouble)
Alabama
Miami
Florida State
Oklahoma
LSU
Oregon
Ohio State
All of these have well above average facilities, money, fan support, ease in recruiting, good chance at winning championships soon, and tradition. Tennessee has 4 of those 6 criteria.

Miami shouldn't be on that list. They have terrible facilities (don't even own their own stadium), terrible fan support, very little money, and have little tradition outside of the 80's and 90's. They'll never be back.

I question whether FSU will ever be back either.

On the other hand, you can't include a list of Top 10 jobs without including Michigan and Penn State. I think they have a FAR better chance of being winning another MNC within the next 10 years than either Miami or FSU.
 
#52
#52
This COULD be a top 10 PROGRAM...WHen was the last time we beat FL..and the time before that?? How log did it take us to beat BAMA. We were kicking GA butts for a long time now we are swaping years on who wins..Ky plays us tough every year..SC is even playing with us..WE need a FREAKING COACH to bring this program back to where is SHOULD be..Most people think of VOL fans as HILLBILLYS...well I guess the hillbillys need to put up some BIG TIME COACH money....If not KEEP on crying about what we don't have and will never get!!!:cray:
 
#53
#53
You know what really hurts us? People like YOU. All the people who say UT isn't a top 10 job are Florida and Bama fans. Florida has only recently become a relevant program and before that they were rampant cheaters in the 80's. If Spurrier had never come around, Florida would have been a footnote. And as for Bama, well we rocked them annually until Saban came around.

We are UT. The first team to ever win a BCS title, the team that produced the greatest QB ever. We've been to 5 of the last 12 SEC titles, more than any other team in that span. It's only people like you who call us mediocre. Tennessee is a title contender and will get a coach to take us there.

So please, shut the hell up. I like to welcome all members to the UT family, but I can't stand you guys in the Legions of the Miserable.

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#56
#56
Top Ten Jobs in College Football

1st Tier

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. USC
5. Notre Dame
6. Ohio State
7. Oklahoma

The 1st Tier really is significantly higher than the others. These schools (Notre Dame exception) have it all and are have CONSISTENTLY been the key players in college football the past 10 years.
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2nd Tier

8. Penn State
9. Nebraska
10. LSU
11. Michigan
12. Georgia
13. Tennessee
14. Florida State
15. Virginia Tech
16. Miami

2nd Tier. Granted, ANY of these schools can move into that top tier pretty easily. But something is lacking; these are great, great jobs, but not quite the best in the nation.

3rd Tier

17. Oregon
18. Iowa
19. Auburn
20. Georgia Tech
21. Clemson
22. West Virginia

Schools like that...

My criteria really comes down to this:

1. National Relevance (Recent success, Big Wins, TV Time, Draws Recruits, Sponsorships)
2. Commitment to the Program (Funding, Facilities, Fan Support)
3. Pedigree (Traditions, Past success)

In saying all of that, I legitimately think it is a mistake for Muschamp, Peterson, Patterson, or any of the coaches we have mentioned to not come to TN.

At this point, I hope we land the long-shot Lovie Smith


Most of your list looks reasonable , except there are a few things that need clearing up. First off.. if we are talking about the current state of college football , say the past 10 years , then there's no no way in hell that ND should be considered 1st tier. They are nothing more than a paper tiger upheld by media contracts and haven't accomplished a d@mn thing on the field to earn that . They should be replaced with Miami or VT . Both of those have had at least consistency over more than a 1 yr span.
If we are talking about the overall picture , say 50 yrs. Then once again , Miami is 1st tier. BUT Florida is not. They have come on strong since the mid 90s yeh , but they still can't compare to Miami, OSU, Michigan, Bama..etc. Maybe UF has earned its way in to the top tier...maybe not..but they sure as he11 aren't close to the top if it.

All that crap being spewed....Tennessee is right in line with Michigan. A decaying giant that nobody wants the task of revitalizing. Having lived there my whole life until a few years ago, I can say that its a GREAT place to live if you like the outdoors. If you like a laid back lifestyle that can be fun depending on your company then Knoxville is for you. Its NOT in the middle of nowhere like so many anti south people try to imply. Ignorant ppl just p1ss me off. The reason we are faced with Cut is not many people are willing to sell their souls to the orange satan. Everyone knows how gaud d@mn crazy UT fans are. The expectations are unreasonable and you can't be told any different. For the last decade we have had big ups and big downs...but we are NOT Florida, USC, Texas, etc. We can't just open the doors anymore and expect every great young coach to try forcing his way in. If I'm a big fish in a little pond like Petersen and Patterson, Im staying put cause eventually they will get their chance at a NC game. Stop being so d@mned anal and realize that UT is gonna have to scratch and claw their way back into being a respected feared institution. We may be riding out a consistent 8 win program for a while. It will be ok eventually , just watch football and stop stressing over it.
 
#57
#57
Pretty much all of those lists are ridiculous. Judging a top program or job on the past 10 years is no less asinine than judging it on the past 100 years. Anyone that thinks UGA outranks based on any type of legitimate criteria is delusional. Just because you've spurted up and had a solid 5-10 years doesn't mean you're a better program or job, especially with the type of money UT offers. You all KNOW what a garbage move it was that Kiffin pulled, and yet you're surprised that other coaches aren't jumping to do it? I guarantee you if there was more time we wouldn't have this dilemma. Some Florida fan can come on here and say I'm stuck in the past if he wants, but I just think he has a short memory. And people say TN isn't relevant because they haven't been successful recently but Notre Dame is still right at the top of the list. You guys need to GTFO of here. To reiterate, it's the TIMING, not the lack of prestige that has kept us from landing a coach so far.
 
#58
#58
top tier jobs- Great salary, located in recruiting hot spot states

*Florida
*FSU
*Miami (mediocre salary but has the best recruiting grounds period)
*Alabama
*LSU
*USC
*Texas


I did not include OSU, Michigan, ND, PSU or Oklahoma in the top tier. While those are great jobs and you can easily achieve success, when it comes to winning national titles they are at a big disadvantage.

They have enough talent or (name recognition to draw talent) to beat the top teams in their region and conference but against the top teams from the talent hot spots (the southern portions of the country) they usually lose because they have less talent to recruit in their states.

The fact that 12 of the past 13 national champions have been from the southern portions of the country proves this.

I group Georgia in with OSU, Michigan, and Oklahoma. Yes I know it is located in a state with more talent than Michigan, Ohio and Oklahoma, but it is also located in the same conference as 3 powerhouses that have more talent in their state to use.

My criteria if I were a coach looking for a job would be where could I best win a NC as you can tell.

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#59
#59
Ok, if you list programs we are between 6 and 12 depending on the criteria you use. If you go by the worst case scenario which is ranked 12th, we are still better than 100 other teams so we should be getting a top tier coach. After all were going to be paying in the $2-4 million range. That’s enough for any coordinator or mid-major coach to make to jump to TN that really serious about coaching. If Saban would have come to TN we would have a national championship instead of AL and everyone would have us ranked top 5 because we would favor of the month, nowdays it has more to do with the name of the coach instead of the name of the university.
 
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#60
#60
When you look at top 10 program, you can look at it 3 different ways. A program that has a history of success and has had recent success or either/or. Then you have to look at what is success? Obviously national titles, but is appeariing in 4 SEC championship games in 8 years considered some success?

Bottom line is I don't think there's 10 programs you can put in either of the 3 scenarios without much debate. But if you look at who was here 50 years ago and is still relevant now then there is only really 8 teams that stand out..

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. USC
4. Ohio State
5. Oklahoma
6. Notre Dame
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan
9. Penn State
10. Tennessee

This list is from an articles by Andy Staples of Sports Illustrated.

Destination jobs: The 12 truly premier gigs in college football

His criteria - A lot of factors determine whether a program boasts a destination job. Recent success, tradition, stability, facilities, athletic department management and handling of past coaches all play a role.

He also talks about Athletic Department income Texas & Ohio State lead with Florida, Georgia, & Alabama close behind.

SEC schools are all in Group II because of the level of competition they face.

Group I
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Texas
USCw

Group II
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Penn State

Group III
FSU
Michigan
Notre Dame

Not sure why he included FSU as they don't have the money these other schools have.

Ohio State, Texas headline*college football's destination jobs - Andy Staples - SI.com
 
#61
#61
The U. of TN is a top 10 program of all time, they have the fan support, the money, wins, bowls, NC's, big time facilities they have everything but a strong recruiting base, high school football in TN does not produce enough BCS talent to compete in the SEC, this is why it will take a special coach, someone who either loves the U. of TN or is hungry to be the very best coach in America. FL, OK, TX, cali and LA produce a lot of football talent but TN can get in these places and pull recruits to compete for titles and we have seen this, but we have to have the right coach. John Majors loved this University he loved Knoxville and you can be DAMN sure he was going to work his ass off to build the football program to the same level when he played you can believe that, and then when Phil Fulmer took over as the man he wanted to take this program even higher and he did in 98 but then something happened he lost that hunger to be the very best, he still loved TN but he wasnt as hungry to work like " heck " at recruiting or teaching and we lost great Assistant coaches and it culminated to where we are now, so when you keep saying we need to hire a "big name " coach just remember they may not be hungry or love TN like we do.
 
#62
#62
Pretty much all of those lists are ridiculous. Judging a top program or job on the past 10 years is no less asinine than judging it on the past 100 years. Anyone that thinks UGA outranks based on any type of legitimate criteria is delusional. Just because you've spurted up and had a solid 5-10 years doesn't mean you're a better program or job, especially with the type of money UT offers. You all KNOW what a garbage move it was that Kiffin pulled, and yet you're surprised that other coaches aren't jumping to do it? I guarantee you if there was more time we wouldn't have this dilemma. Some Florida fan can come on here and say I'm stuck in the past if he wants, but I just think he has a short memory. And people say TN isn't relevant because they haven't been successful recently but Notre Dame is still right at the top of the list. You guys need to GTFO of here. To reiterate, it's the TIMING, not the lack of prestige that has kept us from landing a coach so far.

Judging by 5-10-25-50 or 100 years doesn't have a thing to do with any of it, UT is trying to hire a coach TODAY not yesterday. Today UT is not a top 10 program. I know how you'll feel, I'm a Bama fan and we felt the same way just a few years ago. We were very lucky to be in the right place at the right time to get Saban, if not we would still be a middle of the pack team. Facts are facts, unless you get as lucky as we did it's going to take UT a long time to rebuild and I don't see a Saban type coach out there now to do it. Plus that you are at a distinct disadvantage, even Saban had great instate talent to help him and without that instate talent Saban wouldn't have turned the team around as quickly as he did, Tn has no such talent. I will say that UT, like Bama, will be back one day but it will probably take a while. Any coach that takes the job will have to go out of state to get the best talent, recruit against the best recruiters in the country, coach in the best conference in the country and please a fan base that wants to win now not 5-10 years from now. There are very few coaches out there that even want to take on that challenge and the ones that would already have good jobs.
 
#63
#63
Tennessee is NOT a TOP 10 job. You can not blame Kiffin for leaving to go to a place that will be in a BCS Bowl at least every other year. It is much easier to win at USC than at Tennessee. All that backroom calling recruits and getting them to come elsewhere goes on all the time, it hurts because it is happening to us. Do you honestly not think Kiffin did those same things last year when recruiting our current freshmen?
I guess all this is Pete Carroll's fault for resigning when he did...this happens every year at different universities, it just sux when it happens to you.

SUCK IT UP...TENNESSEE WILL SURVIVE!!
How about you...SUCK IT!!! :moon2:

Because of it's all time number of wins, and the level of support, media exposure (UT is on NATIONALLY 2-3 times more the USC...whether knuckleheads like you want to admit it or not), number of athletes sent to the NFL and CURRENTLY playing in the NFL, facilities that are absolutely second to none...Tennessee is most certainly a Top 10 team. Every team has cycles of success and failures. Notre Dame has been on the top of the NCAA world and it has been at the bottom. FSU, and Miami too. There were times I never thought they could have a team outside of the top 5 or top 10.

They have fallen on hard times, as have we...and teams with a distinguished history find a way to rise from the ashes...just as Bama has. That's what we are trying to do here. We're not some fly by night Conference USA team, as you'd have us believe.

We are a fanbase that KNOWS without a doubt that Tennessee can and must do better than this. We aren't about to do as you suggest, and settle for mediocrity...even while we have temporarily fallen into it. We don't belong here and we aren't going to stand for it. If anyone tries to suggest that we really are just a lowly bunch and that we should just acknowledge that, then you are our enemy. When a coach of 17 yrs tries to lower our long term expectations and standards, simply because he has consistently failed to live up to them..then he gets moved out of the way.

Tennessee is a bigger program than you, Fulmer, Lane Kiffin or any other yahoo that would have us believe differently.:moon2:
 
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#64
#64
How about you...SUCK IT!!! :moon2:

Because of it's all time number of wins, and the level of support, media exposure (UT is on NATIONALLY 2-3 times more the USC...whether knuckleheads like you want to admit it or not), number of athletes sent to the NFL and CURRENTLY playing in the NFL, facilities that are absolutely second to none...Tennessee is most certainly a Top 10 team. Every team has cycles of success and failures. Notre Dame has been on the top of the NCAA world and it has been at the bottom. FSU, and Miami too. There were times I never thought they could have a team outside of the top 5 or top 10.

They have fallen on hard times, as have we...and teams with a distinguished history find a way to rise from the ashes...just as Bama has. That's what we are trying to do here. We're not some fly by night Conference USA team, as you'd have us believe.

We are a fanbase that KNOWS without a doubt that Tennessee can and must do better than this. We aren't about to do as you suggest, and settle for mediocrity...even while we have temporarily fallen into it. We don't belong here and we aren't going to stand for it. If anyone tries to suggest that we really are just a lowly bunch and that we should just acknowledge that, then you are our enemy. When a coach of 17 yrs tries to lower our long term expectations and standards, simply because he has consistently failed to live up to them..then he gets moved out of the way.

Tennessee is a bigger program than you, Fulmer, Lane Kiffin or any other yahoo that would have us believe differently.:moon2:
I bet you have Orange shaded sunglasses and drink orange Kool-Aid..:shaking2:
 
#66
#66
You know what really hurts us? People like YOU. All the people who say UT isn't a top 10 job are Florida and Bama fans.

I wouldn't count on that.

Florida has only recently become a relevant program and before that they were rampant cheaters in the 80's.

You forgot the 70s.

If Spurrier had never come around, Florida would have been a footnote. And as for Bama, well we rocked them annually until Saban came around.

Ahem, not in my day. Does the name Bill Battle ring a bell?

We are UT. The first team to ever win a BCS title, the team that produced the greatest QB ever. We've been to 5 of the last 12 SEC titles, more than any other team in that span. It's only people like you who call us mediocre. Tennessee is a title contender and will get a coach to take us there.

As an "outsider", my take is slightly different.

First off, that last bozo you had for coach was a selfish, arrogant brat who could care less about Tennessee and its traditions. A bad fit from the start. He only cared about himself, and thought Daddy would save his butt by coming up with a defense that could beat 'Bama and UF. Came close, but that wasn't going to get him to the top of dung mountain, where a turd like him resides. When Mommy (USCum) called, he ran like the baby he is.

I don't know where y'all turn for a coach this time. Whoever it is, it has to be someone who respects Tennessee, its traditions, and understands SEC football. (Damn sure wasn't lame kitten.)

I don't think UT is a hard sell to the right coach, but the timing couldn't be worse. You have rumors of recruits fleeing like rats on a sinking ship. Visits scheduled right around the bend. No, couldn't be a worse time to try to sign a new coach. I don't think any other university would have much better luck, under those circumstances.

Yes, the landscape of CFB has changed since my day. Scholarship limitations has made it easier for nobodies like TCU to think that they can compete for the BCSNC. TCU! C'mon, you are going to convince me that UT is less relevant than TCU? No way.

Now, maybe to a young kid, going on about Gen. Neyland (or Bear Byrant) and all that won't cut it.(Their daddy might like it, but their daddy ain't gonna be on that field.) But what does TCU have to offer? Less than UT and most of the other SEC schools.

They all offer great facilities, rabid fan base, insane determination to win, but more importantly, a chance to be on national TV every Saturday, and showcase your skills, playing a style of football that translates easier to the NFL.

Has anyone here seen TCU play? Usually one crappy bowl game, played in Ft. Worthless every year. Yet, look at them now.

I fear that you guys may have to ride out this next year with an interim coach, suck wind if need be, and lay plans to start 2011 with the right coach. Going out and hiring someone, just to have someone on campus by the time recruits come by could lead you down the path to a "lost decade". I lived through one of those..................it wasn't fun.

I know a lot of my Tide brethren are wishing doom and gloom on you. Maybe because "time heals all wounds", and I don't get an earful of SEC hate every time I turn on the TV or radio, I know that a weakened UT does the SEC no good in the long run.

Because, when I do turn on the TV or radio, I hear how weak the SEC is.

Those folk can't 'splain why the SEC has won 4 straight BCSNCG, but that doen't matter to them. We only won because we play in a weak conference.

Nor can they 'splain why their #1 rushing defense allowed 2 backs to each rush for over 100 yards. Could it be that nobody they play can run the ball? No.............can't be...............ah that SEC..........they ain't that tough.

Well, after 'Bama, UF, LSU, and UT.............you know, the 4 teams that won the BCS, maybe so.

Don't tell that to the 'barn. They hate that!
 

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