Exposed.....

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aRmo said:
Ya know one thing that scares me is how Alabama exposed Tennessee on Saturday. They did the same thing to us as they did to LSU last year then LSU had that 3 game losing stint. What if the same thing happens to us because our weakness was exposed? Stack the box and dare J. Dobbs to throw. Has this coaching staff proved they can adjust? they didnt in the Alabama game and you cant blame it all to injuries. Our defense was holding up...ok NOT great but ok. Until our offense couldnt move the ball and kept our defense on the field. There is one thing Debord and Les Miles have in common......age!
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aRmo said:
Ya know one thing that scares me is how Alabama exposed Tennessee on Saturday. They did the same thing to us as they did to LSU last year then LSU had that 3 game losing stint. What if the same thing happens to us because our weakness was exposed? Stack the box and dare J. Dobbs to throw. Has this coaching staff proved they can adjust? they didnt in the Alabama game and you cant blame it all to injuries. Our defense was holding up...ok NOT great but ok. Until our offense couldnt move the ball and kept our defense on the field. There is one thing Debord and Les Miles have in common......age!
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Get your general point. But saying our defense held up ok just isn't supported with the facts. They went 94 yards on 8 plays for their first score.....their second offensive possession in the first quarter. Ran for 268 yards vs our defense in the first half alone.

If you wanna say the dam broke late when Scarborough broke the 85 yd td run, I guess you can and you wouldn't be fully wrong. But Bama averaged 9 yards per carry for the game and had 14 rushes where their ball carrier wasn't touched by a Tennessee defender until they had gained at least 10 yards. All that was a result of far more going wrong with with our defense than being tired because our offense sucked (which it obviously did by the way).
 
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Chilmonty said:
Yeah we got "Exposed" alright!

Exposed this pic of OUR sideline before the game!!!

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A pic from Gone With The Wind, very appropriate. Sherman going through Ga. much like Bama going through their schedule.(not just us)
 
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FEARinSEC said:
FYP:good!:
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Congrats, you win the dumb comment of the day award. Every single NFL team would pick the score they wanted to beat Alabama by and freaking demolish them.

Every time this is brought up by people who literally no knowing about the sport, anyone ever associated with the NFL laugh at it and call it stupid. The Cleveland Browns would beat Alabama like a red headed stepchild.
 
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aRmo said:
Ya know one thing that scares me is how Alabama exposed Tennessee on Saturday. They did the same thing to us as they did to LSU last year then LSU had that 3 game losing stint. What if the same thing happens to us because our weakness was exposed? Stack the box and dare J. Dobbs to throw. Has this coaching staff proved they can adjust? they didnt in the Alabama game and you cant blame it all to injuries. Our defense was holding up...ok NOT great but ok. Until our offense couldnt move the ball and kept our defense on the field. There is one thing Debord and Les Miles have in common......age!
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Hopefully the week off will help our guys put this game behind them...but you're right, it could stick in their heads and cause problems...

As far as stacking the box and forcing us to pass, just about every team we have played has focused on making us pass - some were more successful than others...I expect South Carolina to do the same but I don't expect South Carolina to have the same level of talent as Bama has...they won't be able to get through the OL as quick and can't cover as tight...I believe Dobbs will be able scramble against them but more importantly, I think we will be able to run for 200+ yards against them...Vandy will be the team that shuts our running game down...we'll have to be to pass on first down to beat them
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So lets assume this Alabama exposed us theory is true and look at it. Now we are talking about Alabama. The defense that is loaded with Sunday starters at just about every level. 5* talent everywhere on the field. Right? Ok They exposed us. They stacked the box and dared Dobbs to beat them. He didnt. As a matter of fact, Alabama completely dominated. Thats established.

TAMU has a decent defense but they didnt expose anything. And let me see, there was another team we played and beat that had a pretty good defense, maybe second best in the SEC behind Bama, oh yeah Florida. Now, shouldnt we assume that most teams who watch film on Tennessee know their weakness? The passing game right? Well what did Dobbs do to a very good UF defense? He lit them up. We had a much healthier team then as well.

No offense to you but you are severely underestimating the significance of our injuries. Its borderline historic. As a matter of fact, a thread was made about just how bad the injuries are. The OP talked about the 2002 UT team which had a ton of injuries but compared to this team? Not really close. So at a minimum, team 120 is the most injury riddled team for UT in the past 14 years and possibly longer. Now if the injury situation were a little better, then no, you couldnt blame the loss on them. But given the facts of the injuries we had, yes you can say the majority of the blame for the loss can be put on injuries.

Now Bama played a terrific game. But lets get back to your exposed point. So what if they did, in reality, expose us? Does that really mean anything in the context of our next 5 games? Nope. Why? Because name me a team that remains on our schedule that even has a 1/4 of the defensive talent Alabama has. As a mayter of fact, I can really only think of 1 player that actually warrants mentioning and thats Charles Harris of Mizzou. Other than that, there are no Tabors, Fitzpatricks, Jacksons, Fosters, Williams or anyone close to those guys.

Yes Alabama beat us up. But if we get healthy again, there is no team on the rest of our schedule that can accomplish anything close to what Bama did. Simply because that kind of talent only exists at Alabama.
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Great points, all. However UT was exposed in week 1 and if it weren't for a miracle fumble recovery we would have 3 losses right now.

We have a lot of injuries, yes. But some of that is covering up for bigger problems. Problems that existed coming out of training camp.

If you took the same defense we had in week 1 and put it up against Bama, IMO we still lose that game by more than 3 TD. Obviously that can never be proven but I do have historical performance to back up that argument.

We need to recruit better players (not just a couple true stars) and we need to have coaches that can positively exploit each players strengths and compensate effectively for what should be minimal weaknesses.

THENx figure out how to keep them healthy.
 
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aRmo said:
Ya know one thing that scares me is how Alabama exposed Tennessee on Saturday. They did the same thing to us as they did to LSU last year then LSU had that 3 game losing stint. What if the same thing happens to us because our weakness was exposed? Stack the box and dare J. Dobbs to throw. Has this coaching staff proved they can adjust? they didnt in the Alabama game and you cant blame it all to injuries. Our defense was holding up...ok NOT great but ok. Until our offense couldnt move the ball and kept our defense on the field. There is one thing Debord and Les Miles have in common......age!
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In the 70's, Pittsburgh Steelers found ways to beat teams. Other NFL teams tried to copy their game plan, HOWEVER; those other NFL teams didn't have Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Joe Green, L.C. Greenwood, Donnie Shell,etc. etc.
So, yes, "O" Bama exposed us. However, South Carolina does not have the NFL roster that Alabama has.
They may be able to do it on paper but they don't have the personnel to carry the game plan out.
Suppose Georgetown and Pat Ewing found a way to Virginia and Ralph Sampson. Princeton could not use that same game plan because they don't have a 7 footer like Ewing to go one on one with Sampson.
 
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The brutal truth goes way beyond our injuries. DeBord has only called one great game in a losing effort. It is time to face the facts and see if the domino falls. This is getting too painful to watch sometimes with his conservative run through the teeth of a defense scheme when it is clearly NOT working
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Do you really think stacking the box,and making Dobbs throw is a new concept to other teams? No, this has been the scouting report on UT for a while. It was just a bad all-around game. The team has got to put it behind them.
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No disrespect at all but I believe the team "has" put the game behind them. It's just the fans haven't!!
 
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rockymountainvol said:
The brutal truth goes way beyond our injuries. DeBord has only called one great game in a losing effort. It is time to face the facts and see if the domino falls. This is getting too painful to watch sometimes with his conservative run through the teeth of a defense scheme when it is clearly NOT working
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He called a great game vs Florida. We looked like ish in the first half cause nobody could catch the ball. When they started catching the ball in the second half, our offense, under Debord/Jones, was unstoppable against what was considered the top defense on the country.

Thought he called good games vs VaTech and Georgia as well. App State and Bama were the only awful ones IMHO.
 
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90 Vol said:
Yes, Bama exposed the fact that our 2's and 3's don't match up with their starters. Profound...
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Offense #1 starters vs Bama.... Dobbs, Hurd/Kamara, Wolf, Malone, Jennings, Smith/Byrd, Coleman, Jones....8 of 11

Defense #1 starters....Barnett, Vereen, Vickers, Tuttle, Moseley, TKJr, Abernathy.....7 of 11.

Essentially 15 of our original 22 starters started and played most of the game. Yes, we're "decimated" with injuries, relatively speaking. Our 2nd string MLB and 4th string LBs played, our 2nd and 3rd string DTs were on the field a good bit....as did our 2nd string LG and 2nd and 3rd string OTs. But it's not quite accurate to say it was only "our 2s and 3s vs their starters".
 
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Saban smiled after this one...he doesn't do that unless they win a title. He knows he has the team this year to run the table, that's all that was exposed.
 
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eh, i think most teams have tried to attack our tender areas, Bama is the only one that had any real success at it. and the defense was not just up to task.

plus LSU last year after the Bama game still had games against Ark, Ole Miss and aTm. and they beat aTm. not exactl comparable to what we have left.
 
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aRmo said:
Ya know one thing that scares me is how Alabama exposed Tennessee on Saturday. They did the same thing to us as they did to LSU last year then LSU had that 3 game losing stint. What if the same thing happens to us because our weakness was exposed? Stack the box and dare J. Dobbs to throw. Has this coaching staff proved they can adjust? they didnt in the Alabama game and you cant blame it all to injuries. Our defense was holding up...ok NOT great but ok. Until our offense couldnt move the ball and kept our defense on the field. There is one thing Debord and Les Miles have in common......age!
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Yeah ..if SC or KY or Vandy stack the box and dare Dobbs to throw, he will throw it and burn them. Florida and GA did that. They tried to take running game away from us, we passed on them.
A&M brought there DBs and LBs in to stop hitches and slants while stacking the box, we had 300+ yards after catch on passing and Kamara burned them on speedy runs to the edge.

Bama can dare us to do that coz they can match out-man us on matchups. Other's cant.
 
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What did they expose?

Vol fans who thought the 3rd stringers could hang with #1 team in the nation?

They certainly succeeded there.
 
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Dumb thread IMO. We didn't get exposed. Everyone in the nation has known how bad our O-line is, and that was before the injuries. And speaking of injuries, yes this game can be blamed on all of the injuries. Also, every team we've played has tried to make Dobbs beat them with his arm. Oh, and Alabama is really really really good. Pretty much every point you based this thread on is wrong. Just saying.
 
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1982Alum said:
Like I said..............over hype by our fans. It's the offensive play calls, it's the injuries, it's always some excuse. They are worlds better than us on talent and coaching.
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Play calling must of been pretty good to gain almost 700 yards vs, Tex A&M
 
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1982Alum said:
What was expose Satuday was that we were over hyped AGAIN by VOL fans who thought this team was capable of beating Alabama. Injuries are an excuse; if we were 100% healthy on Saturday, we would still have gotten beat by at least 2 TDs. They are that much better than we are.
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Thank Goodness you have NO way of proving that. BUT what we DO know is injuries had a DIRECT effect on the game Saturday. There's no doubting that.,.the other is mere conjecture.
 
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Dobbs is great. Actually, name a VOL that is not great and you'll not come out of that basement til after Santa comes you little creeps:bash:
 
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rockymountainvol said:
The brutal truth goes way beyond our injuries. DeBord has only called one great game in a losing effort. It is time to face the facts and see if the domino falls. This is getting too painful to watch sometimes with his conservative run through the teeth of a defense scheme when it is clearly NOT working
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well what can we do as fans? bring out the boo-birds in front of our great players? these guys have heart and they fight and trust their coach. We,as fans, feel there is a good chance that there is a true discrepency with our offensive coaches abilities to adjust, plan, or call a good offensive game. I'm divided over the matter because of the many variables but i do suspect that Debord needs to address the matter publicly but we know he won't but when he tries to pass the matter off as no big deal for whatever reason,we,as fans will fiqure him out. If he keeps trying to pound a back into a loaded box repeatedly for 2-3 yd. gains instead of hitting the 10-12 yd. open passes, he's not long for UT. I know these fans and i don't think they will tolerate ignorance of that type much longer.
 
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