Expecting too much too soon...

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ER Vol said:
That is still up for debate and we will never know. What is interesting is how the exact version of this virus was captured over 10 years ago, which means the current virus (Covid-19) kept its genetic sequence in tact for over 10 years. Covid-19 has muted over 5 times that we know of in the past 10 months. Think about that.
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I think you answered my question.
 
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#102
#102
Skippy95 said:
It’s cool you played peewee football. I did too. Hey I might have even started a game or two, but this team, especially this year, was not devoid of talent the way you think it is. Literally every starter on the offensive line was a high four or five star recruit. I guarantee that all five are drafted. That is the type of talent that an Alabama puts out. Not only that, you can look at the running back and wide receiver positions stacked with talent. The reason the offense failed, especially this year, was mismanagement of the quarterback position. JG played some bad ball, but Pruitt is the one that would rotate them with no rhyme or reason. I would maybe buy in 2017 that this team had the talent of a 7-5 / 8-4 team. Last year should have been a 10 win season. This year should have been a 7 win season. The results are what they are. Anyone who’s really played the sport at an elite level can see that the players do not understand assignment football. That is strictly coaching. The players are disinterested in what’s happening during the game. That is also coaching and leadership. I think anyone can see that Pruitt has the X’s and O’s part down, because of what he has done prior to coming to Tennessee. I also think anyone who knows football or any sport and has played it at the collegiate level can see that Pruitt lacks the skills to lead and to motivate.
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Dude football is football no matter what level it is. If u had to play college to know then u are a moron. Belicheck didnt even play football and he is the greatest coach ever. Freeze was coaching high school before he got a college gig. The team aspect of the game is still the same from when u are 5 til you are 45. I played from the time i was a child until i was a Senior in high school, actually got a few small time offers. I was a DB at Kingsbury in 05 on a top 5 defense in the state that year. We lost in the semi finals to Greenbriar. I played with Gabe Hunter who was the state rushing champ until Hurd broke the record. I've played against Hugh Freeze ( coach) Micheal Oher, Greg Hardy, Craig Cooper, Duke Calhoun, Cassius Vaughn, KJ Wright, & the Summer's twins that played at Ole miss. I currently coach travel football in GA. The same town Marquez Calloway & Jack Fromm come from. I knew him when he was in 8th grade. I've seen all the young studs from GA bc i coach here. I saw Jake Fromm in the 8th grade. UT just offered Cam Davis from Albany and i've faced that kid twice. UGA just offered my 12U Qb last summer. I never claimed to be Nick Saban but he aint the only person in the world that knows football.
Now on to the rest of your comment. It doesnt matter how many stars you got. U think the players asking u about your stars before they knock your head off?? Can u please explain to me how the hell last year should have been a 10 win season. We just lost 15 games the previous 2 years. This is exactly what im talking about. We think we better then what we are. U dnt lose nearly 20 games in 3 yrs and win 10 games the next year smfh. U are stating the obvious when it comes to leadership. U just lost Warrior, Butuli, DT, Calloway, & Jennings who were the team leaders. Now they are learning on the job which makes total sense. As far as missed assignments go thats not a coaching issue its a communication issue between the players. This typically happens when u have new guys making calls. Could have sworn we just replaced Butuli & Warrior who made all the calls the last 4yrs. This aint rocket science this was a 5yr rebuild and u want to fire the coach at the half way point. If we use VN logic we will stay mediocre
 
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901 Orange said:
My Response

Arkansas: Franks has kicked our ass every since he stepped foot on a campus. Doesnt matter which campus or who the coach is for either team. He did what he always does so u shouldnt have been shocked.

Kentucky: I cant blame anybody but JG for the KY game. When your 10th year SR QB follows a fumble with back to back pick 6's, then the replacement comes right in and throws a pick on his 1st pass, you are probably going to get blown out that day. Doesnt matter who you are playing. U can coach until your face turns blue. At the end of the day the guy pulling the trigger has to make good decisions. U dont blame the teacher when a straight A student fails an exam. That's the equivalent of JG's game prep to his game performance.

Ga State: The perfect term for this game is "Reality Check". Team A is a power option football team with a ton of upperclassmen. Team B is a young team rebuilding its trenches. Anyone who ever played football before 2010 knows whats about to happen against an option team when they have the trench advantage. We had a top 25 team with upperclassmen in 2017 and tech ran for 535 on us in that offense without any 300lb olinemen. They were a 5-6 team and we were a D Taylor tackle away from losing.

I believe all this disappointment from the fan base this early in the rebuild show's u that people really didnt understand how bad we really were. This is why so many coaches turned down the job in the 1st place. Every single position on the field needed to be addressed and u wont get time to do it. Development is a big word on VN. I played alot of ball and I know for a fact that the offseason is one of the most important aspects of the game. I just dont see how u are going to make any real improvement if 60% of the team is returning from the ER in Year 1 and u dont have enough guys to practice bc of covid in Year 3. They got 1 full offseason with the majority of the team and went 8-5 with a bowl win over a team that looked really good this year.
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There are two types of college programs. Those that win and those who are real good at making excuses.
 
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Skippy95 said:
The scoreboard doesn’t always tell the full story, especially when you consider the score going into halftime.
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I didn't say it told the whole story. The whole story is UT had the talent to win the game and coaching was terrible, especially after halftime like most of the year. But, no one can spin a 11 pt loss into a BLOWOUT. Well, they can. But, they would be wrong. A 11 pt loss IS NOT A BLOWOUT!
 
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#105
If his system is the 90s power run pro style O that’s been useless at all levels of football since the early 00s then I’d rather not wait for his system to work. Also if his D is whatever it is that can’t cover a slant over the middle AT ALL then again I’ll pass.

If we were at least competitive and just being out talented by the top teams I’d say give him time. But he’s getting crushed by equal or lesser teams and if his original game plan is t working he has ZERO clue what to do.
 
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901 Orange said:
Dude football is football no matter what level it is. If u had to play college to know then u are a moron. Belicheck didnt even play football and he is the greatest coach ever. Freeze was coaching high school before he got a college gig. The team aspect of the game is still the same from when u are 5 til you are 45. I played from the time i was a child until i was a Senior in high school, actually got a few small time offers. I was a DB at Kingsbury in 05 on a top 5 defense in the state that year. We lost in the semi finals to Greenbriar. I played with Gabe Hunter who was the state rushing champ until Hurd broke the record. I've played against Hugh Freeze ( coach) Micheal Oher, Greg Hardy, Craig Cooper, Duke Calhoun, Cassius Vaughn, KJ Wright, & the Summer's twins that played at Ole miss. I currently coach travel football in GA. The same town Marquez Calloway & Jack Fromm come from. I knew him when he was in 8th grade. I've seen all the young studs from GA bc i coach here. I saw Jake Fromm in the 8th grade. UT just offered Cam Davis from Albany and i've faced that kid twice. UGA just offered my 12U Qb last summer. I never claimed to be Nick Saban but he aint the only person in the world that knows football.
Now on to the rest of your comment. It doesnt matter how many stars you got. U think the players asking u about your stars before they knock your head off?? Can u please explain to me how the hell last year should have been a 10 win season. We just lost 15 games the previous 2 years. This is exactly what im talking about. We think we better then what we are. U dnt lose nearly 20 games in 3 yrs and win 10 games the next year smfh. U are stating the obvious when it comes to leadership. U just lost Warrior, Butuli, DT, Calloway, & Jennings who were the team leaders. Now they are learning on the job which makes total sense. As far as missed assignments go thats not a coaching issue its a communication issue between the players. This typically happens when u have new guys making calls. Could have sworn we just replaced Butuli & Warrior who made all the calls the last 4yrs. This aint rocket science this was a 5yr rebuild and u want to fire the coach at the half way point. If we use VN logic we will stay mediocre
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Just to be clear, are you saying Pruitt is a good coach?
 
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norrislakevol said:
I don't care who is here coaching. Losing multiple teams with clearly inferior talent over the last 3 years is unacceptable and has nothing to do with giving him time to put his system in place. The end.
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This... sir you nailed it on the head. Losing to teams with inferior talent should be the nail in the coffin. We shouldnt even be discussing keeping him at this point. Having to build to beat Georgia State, BYU, Vandy and Kentucky should be a automatic termination. I understand needing time to knock off the Alabama's of the world... but the right coach is gonna come in and win the games we should win right off the bat just by having the superior talent. Ill go as far to say they should even pull one out their ass a year they shouldn't win.
 
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volmanNC said:
Just to be clear, are you saying Pruitt is a good coach?
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Im saying he is a 1st time HC in his 3rd year and the only time he had a full offseason he won a bowl game. My judgement was always going to be based off 5yrs bc I knew this wasnt an easy fix. We dnt know what he is at this point. With the problems he faced going in its still too early to tell.
 
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901 Orange said:
Im saying he is a 1st time HC in his 3rd year and the only time he had a full offseason he won a bowl game. My judgement was always going to be based off 5yrs bc I knew this wasnt an easy fix. We dnt know what he is at this point. With the problems he faced going in its still too early to tell.
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Perhaps if the team's ranking was ONLY twice as bad on the field as the talent rankings then maybe you have a point? But when it is more like four times worse and NO sign of improvement in site, then it might be time for a change! Have you ever noticed this guy NEVER makes a half time adjustment. In fact, he should not be allowed in the locker room at halftime! Perhaps he shouldn't be allowed in the locker room period. He has no vision. He doesn't know how to use the talent he has. You can't force fit these guys into ONE model.
He is not a leader, he is only a commander. He is a commander of an unknown strategy. Oh did I forget to mention he is a sorry excuse for a head coach.
 
#117
#117
HoopCreekVol said:
As a fan base, are we not giving the man time to put his plan in place? Is he just slow in developing his system here at TN?

And what about Gus, Gene and Hugh? Seems like the fan base is trying to single out all of their flaws, but these are proven coaches with baggage...like everyone else. We cannot go into lab and create the perfect coach who wins at least 10 games a year.

Let’s get realistic. We don’t need a guy who runs out the clock with 2 minutes to go and who cannot get past 3rd down to pick up first downs consistently. Nerve wracking.
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Freeze has won 10 games at every coaching stop.
 
#118
#118
volmanNC said:
Perhaps if the team's ranking was ONLY twice as bad on the field as the talent rankings then maybe you have a point? But when it is more like four times worse and NO sign of improvement in site, then it might be time for a change! Have you ever noticed this guy NEVER makes a half time adjustment. In fact, he should not be allowed in the locker room at halftime! Perhaps he shouldn't be allowed in the locker room period. He has no vision. He doesn't know how to use the talent he has. You can't force fit these guys into ONE model.
He is not a leader, he is only a commander. He is a commander of an unknown strategy. Oh did I forget to mention he is a sorry excuse for a head coach.
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Again that's our problem we continue to go off talent rankings. Dont get me wrong its a good thing to have talent. At the same time this is the SEC. We want these kids to step in day 1 and be difference makers when thats not how football works. I could see if we had a top 3 class 3 straight years then i would be in your camp but thats not the case. As far as the vision comment its obvious that he wants a big physical team that can impose their will but he doesnt have enough horses yet. That was clear from day 1 just look at the trench makeover. As far as halftime adjustments go I believe you guys are reaching a little bit. Could be frustration idk but they had the lead or tied at halftime in 6/10 games this year. U dont change what got u a lead u learn how to finish. We trailed Fla, bama, A&M, & KY at halftime. The 1st 3 teams were all top 5 at some point. KY was all JG. Take a look at all the powerhouse schools. Their 4 & 5 star classes have to wait 2- 3yrs before they see the field. Of course u got the Lawrence exceptions were a freshman can step right in but he is a once in a generation talent. Even with that he had a veteran team around him. Bama is a NFL factory but guys dont just walk in dominating. There are studs in front of them 2-3 yrs before they see any meaningful snaps. Jones waited behind Hurts & Tua. Even when his turn came he wasnt that great. He got a chance to sit a few years & progressed to what he is now. We think bc we got a few top 20 classes that we should beat schools that have been recruiting in the top 10 for nearly a decade. Then turn around and get pissed bc we lose to a ky, ark, or vandy when the reality is we were pretty even with those teams. U dont lose 20 games in a 3 year span then all of a sudden start dominating. I know it sucks but thats part of the process.
 
#119
#119
Brave Volunteer said:
Horseshit. In 3 years no one was expecting to win the SEC or a natty. But we did expect to see QB development. We did expect to see progress. And most of all, we didn't expect to get blown out by Kentucky at home in year 3. We didn't expect to get beat by Georgia-freaking-State or BYU in year two. We didn't expect to lose by double digits to so many teams in 3 years. (a modern era record btw).How in hell is anyone carrying water for Pruitt when its obvious to everyone that he's not the guy? 3-7 in year 3 is unacceptable!

But more than just the record, Pruitt's teams look slow, unmotivated, and boring as hell to watch. His management of the QB position has been dreadful! He started Garantano for 3 years when clearly JT Shrout was a more talented option and he never once bothered to try to bring in a JUCO transfer to push JG or perhaps even take the starting spot. It's clear to me that this coach doesn't know what he's doing and this should not be a learn on the job position at this level!
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Was it horseshit when we lost to freaking Memphis St in 96 with a top 6 team in the country and we had Peyton Manning?? That was Phil's 5th year and he had a national title contender against a team that was worse then ga state. Pruitt was coming off a 5-7 season rebuilding the worst roster in school history while Fulmer was coming off an 11-1 season with one of the most talented teams in school history. If we went by this logic we never win a natty in 98 bc we fire the coach for losing to Memphis St. U said Shrout was clearly better but all i ever saw from him early was int's on his 1st throws. He clearly wasnt ready to take over as a freshman. That man started 1yr in his high school career and threw 20 ints. That makes him a project player. U dont just throw him in the game bc he can throw when its way more to playing QB then being able to throw 70yards. Yal keep talking about development when the guy has obviously progressed from what he was when he stepped on campus. He played 4 games last year which is typical for a true freshman then covid happens and he doesnt get an offseason program going into his 2nd yr. Wtf is he supposed to look like?? Idk how much development u are supposed to make when u skip the development phase. Its the same case for BM & HB. That only leaves JG who took such a beating his 1st few years on campus that he was unfixable. It makes perfect sense to leave JG in while u build a competent roster so your future Qb actually has a chance. It takes longer then 3 years to rebuild a roster that was as bad as ours pre- Pruitt smh.
 
#123
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901 Orange said:
Well there are only 2 schools winning (bama, clemson) so everybody else must be really good at making excuses
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I’d say the top 25 is winning, the top half of the SEC is winning. No one is expecting a NC . Not finishing in the bottom of the SEC, getting blown out in over half your games would be a start.
 
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