Expectations at Tennessee and at Florida

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Jmavols2 said:
Did muschamp then go into a wild rage and start screaming like he does on Saturday's?
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Nah.. he's actually mellowed this year. A lot of writers have it noted. It's a good thing.. rubs off on the players, teaches them to act like idiots. Now he just does this:

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LebanonVolunteer said:
Now it's been almost 15 years and people feel IF Dooley can beat MSU, he should get an extension. :eek:lol:
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Care to share the evidence you have in your wildly ignorant claim?

I haven't seen anyone say he should get an extension if we beat MSU. Your credibility is already on thin ice. Making it up as you go will decimate it completely
 
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#104
Florida was not left anywhere near the shape UT was left in.

He knows the expectation, the road is just much more vertical for us, so therefor takes longer to climb

Luckily the AD's office knows that, even if some of our inbred fans dont.
 
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2ironVol said:
Care to share the evidence you have in your wildly ignorant claim?

I haven't seen anyone say he should get an extension if we beat MSU. Your credibility is already on thin ice. Making it up as you go will decimate it completely
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Stalker, don't make me call 911. :eek:lol:

It has been said in several threads. As much as you follow me around, if I saw it, I know you did. Don't think I am going to do the work for you. You get more and more like Dooley every day.
 
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#106
Florida wasn't in as great a shape as people think either. It works both ways and sometimes gets lost in the translation.
 
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2ironVol said:
It's always funny to see a bunch of yahoos claiming they know how to run the AD better than the AD. Nevermind you've never worked in one or played a collegiate sport. You just know better though, right? :birgits_giggle:
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Do you really have to have worked in an athletic department or played a college sport to recognize that 5-7, 7-6, 6-7, and 5-7 is less than satisfactory?

MikeVol44 said:
I don't disagree with you at all...UT should be able to compete for the SEC title...BUT, I would point out:

1. It took Spurrier 6 years to win a NC at Florida in that talent rich State...How many NC did Fla win before that?

2. Meyer took over a program that was in very good shape after Zook left...Zook may not be an elite coach, but he is an elite recruiter...and TEBOW, TEBOW, TEBOW was the KEY to those two NC...without TEBOW they do not win either of their NCs!!! Heck, without TEBOW Fla doesn't beat UT in 2006!!! And Urban Cryer left town as quick as possible when he knew the show was over!!!

NOW--compare that to the situation CDD took over at UT and you will have a good place to start making some OBJECTIVE observations.

POINT: Expecting CDD to be better than 8-4 this year is just plain STUPID! NO decision even needs to be made until this year has been played out. I, like most, do feel like a win is a must this weekend against Miss. State. to be on track. :salute:
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1. It ONLY took Spurrier 6 years to win a NC at a school that had not only never won one before, but hadn't even won an SEC title (they could claim) before his arrival. That's amazing.

2. Zook left Meyer a train wreck in such turmoil and chaos that Meyer and staff spent most of their first few months deciding who to run out of the program. It was the patients running the asylum.

Ironically, Meyer would leave the program exactly how he found it. Only 60 scholarship players (many of whom were just walk-ons who'd earned their schollies through hard work and sacrifice, but who never saw the field except in practice).

Muschamp and his staff would spend their first few months the same way Meyer had; getting rid of the malcontents and entitled players who were ruining the locker room and program... which of course left us with even fewer players with any experience.

Foley has been pretty good about not putting up with nonsense very long; and exhibits the patience necessary when looking at what new coaches have to overcome to right the ship in a given sport.

I doubt that UT is any different in knowing and conveying what is expected. Part of UT's problem has been multiple poor decisions in close succession that crippled the department financially. Top athletic departments have a lot of money, but it's not an inexhaustible amount... no school can keep paying out severance or buyouts and also pay the huge salaries demanded by the best coaching staffs. That article about the UT athletic department operating at $4 million in the red was very telling. Even more alarming was the knowledge that the reserve fund had consequently shrunk to $2 million. That's a disaster, especially when you consider your primary rival (Bama) has an $80 million reserve fund.

UF's reserve fund is about $75 million. Ironically, Florida state law would not even allow UF to operate with a reserve fund as low as UT's. It requires schools to carry at least 5% of total operating costs at all times that would enable the school to run for 2 weeks all by itself, in the event of a major catastrophe, like a devastating weather event. That amount is $40 million; and that is what UF must keep in reserve cash at all times.
 
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#110
So to recap:

Foley showed Muschamp NC trophies and said "Win!"

Dooley showed Hamilton a 6" thick binder with tabbed sections outlining Dooley's "Process." Hamilton said "Cool!"

So we are 3" through Dooley's process, while Muschamp is winning. K.
 
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LA Vol said:
So to recap:

Foley showed Muschamp NC trophies and said "Win!"

Dooley showed Hamilton a 6" thick binder with tabbed sections outlining Dooley's "Process." Hamilton said "Cool!"

So we are 3" through Dooley's process, while Muschamp is winning. K.
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Dooley showed Hammy his 6" what now?
 
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2ironVol said:
Why would anyone lose sleep over some idiot's opinion of our coach? It's not like Dooley got a talented and depth laden team handed to him a silver platter like Fulmer. He got the worst possible situation you could face as a coach at a big time University. How does it make you feel that Dooley, with a career losing record at a mid-major, can get better jobs than Fulmer. That's the truth too. Fulmer got passed over at Kansas for Charley Weis. Another fact.

Nice day! :birgits_giggle:
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Dooley is not going to get over the hump. You may talk down to everyone as much as you wish but the fact is he never was anything but a caretaker and we need to go ahead and cut bait. I do not want to say anything positive about UF's AD because I don't really care what his expectations are but mine are to go into every game feeling there is as good of a chance as not that we are going to win the game. That includes Saban coached Alabama.
 
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I found this stat interesting.
•Auburn’s Gene Chizik (since 2009): 11-7 (.611)
•Alabama’s Nick Saban (since 2007): 14-9 (.609)
•LSU’s Les Miles (since 2005): 21-14 (.600)
•Georgia’s Mark Richt (since 2001): 18-27 (.400)
•South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier (since 2005): 8-24 (.250)
•Tennessee’s Derek Dooley (since 2010): 1-9 (.100)
•Kentucky’s Joker Phillips (since 2010): 1-9 (.100)
•Mississippi State’s Dan Mullen (since 2009): 1-13 (.007)
•Vanderbilt’s James Franklin (since 2011): 0-5 (.000)
•Florida’s Will Muschamp (since 2011): 0-5 (.000)
This is per chris low of espn. For all you neagvols out there look at Richt and Spurrier even they have losing records against top 25 teams. Most people would consider them better coaches than CDD, wouldn't they? seven out of ten have losing records. Just goes to show the parity in college football.:hi:
 
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utvolpj said:
I actually did no such thing. If you have issues either report the post or use the Contact Us link at the bottom
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I stand corrected. OWB got me. I'm glad I edited the initial post and included believe.

Please accept my apology.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Problem is many in the UT AD after Hart cleaned house apparently have accepted mediocrity, and are using the same talking points as in the election going on right now about "what he inherited"
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Oh so you've heard this from people within the AD? What's that? You haven't ever spoken to anyone from AD? Ah ok.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
Do you really have to have worked in an athletic department or played a college sport to recognize that 5-7, 7-6, 6-7, and 5-7 is less than satisfactory?



1. It ONLY took Spurrier 6 years to win a NC at a school that had not only never won one before, but hadn't even won an SEC title (they could claim) before his arrival. That's amazing.

2. Zook left Meyer a train wreck in such turmoil and chaos that Meyer and staff spent most of their first few months deciding who to run out of the program. It was the patients running the asylum.

Ironically, Meyer would leave the program exactly how he found it. Only 60 scholarship players (many of whom were just walk-ons who'd earned their schollies through hard work and sacrifice, but who never saw the field except in practice).

Muschamp and his staff would spend their first few months the same way Meyer had; getting rid of the malcontents and entitled players who were ruining the locker room and program... which of course left us with even fewer players with any experience.

Foley has been pretty good about not putting up with nonsense very long; and exhibits the patience necessary when looking at what new coaches have to overcome to right the ship in a given sport.

I doubt that UT is any different in knowing and conveying what is expected. Part of UT's problem has been multiple poor decisions in close succession that crippled the department financially. Top athletic departments have a lot of money, but it's not an inexhaustible amount... no school can keep paying out severance or buyouts and also pay the huge salaries demanded by the best coaching staffs. That article about the UT athletic department operating at $4 million in the red was very telling. Even more alarming was the knowledge that the reserve fund had consequently shrunk to $2 million. That's a disaster, especially when you consider your primary rival (Bama) has an $80 million reserve fund.

UF's reserve fund is about $75 million. Ironically, Florida state law would not even allow UF to operate with a reserve fund as low as UT's. It requires schools to carry at least 5% of total operating costs at all times that would enable the school to run for 2 weeks all by itself, in the event of a major catastrophe, like a devastating weather event. That amount is $40 million; and that is what UF must keep in reserve cash at all times.
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It is very interesting. Seems like we have a lack of professionalism at our institution. I'm sick of the excuses. let's make a turnaround not keep putting up with this bs.
 
#120
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So when the Gators have a let down and get dey azz whopped by Dandy on Saturday Foley gonna fire Muschamp in the post game interview. Sweet!! I'll tune in for that circus. I mean losing to Vandy got to unacceptable for such an esteemed program as Floriduh.:dance2::crazy::birgits_giggle:
 
#121
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VOL01-08tn said:
I found this stat interesting.
•Auburn’s Gene Chizik (since 2009): 11-7 (.611)
•Alabama’s Nick Saban (since 2007): 14-9 (.609)
•LSU’s Les Miles (since 2005): 21-14 (.600)
•Georgia’s Mark Richt (since 2001): 18-27 (.400)
•South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier (since 2005): 8-24 (.250)
•Tennessee’s Derek Dooley (since 2010): 1-9 (.100)
•Kentucky’s Joker Phillips (since 2010): 1-9 (.100)
•Mississippi State’s Dan Mullen (since 2009): 1-13 (.007)
•Vanderbilt’s James Franklin (since 2011): 0-5 (.000)
•Florida’s Will Muschamp (since 2011): 0-5 (.000)
This is per chris low of espn. For all you neagvols out there look at Richt and Spurrier even they have losing records against top 25 teams. Most people would consider them better coaches than CDD, wouldn't they? seven out of ten have losing records. Just goes to show the parity in college football.:hi:
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I think you are missing the point. Most people would agree that UT should have better record agasint top 25 teams than the coaches from kentucky, Vanderbilt, and MS STate. Having a losing record and having a win percentage that is below 10 percent possibly after this weekend are two different things.

I think most would agree we want to compare with good programs not bad ones.

Couple of things to point out as well...I think Florida has a top 25 win this year correct?

lets just go with this....


In six years he has a winning percentage of .463 and two bowl games, Independence and Music City bowl. The BEST record he has ever had is 8-5 at la Tech. Also has 1 winning season after the bowls in his elite coaching history.

Face it he was a scapegoat to hopefully transtion to a decent coach and He is who we thought he was according to his winning percentage he is right on course.
 
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#122
The Waco Kid said:
I know several have been discussing Dooley, fire or not fire, and the expectations that should be expected at Tennessee. You assume Dooley would know the expectations going in, but sometimes a more stern message needs to be delivered by the powers to be that mediocrity isn't going to cut it.

Muschamp mentioned that this was his welcome to the University of Florida the first day he came to work as head coach.

“When I walked into my office [the first day] there were only three things left in a very barren office and that was three national championship trophies. I think our athletic director left them here on purpose to make sure I understood the expectation level. [...] I walked in – his office is right down from mine. I said, ‘Jeremy (Foley, Florida Athletic Director), I’m assuming these were left here on purpose.’ He said, ‘That’s what we expect.’ I said, ‘I got you.’”
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Would you please crawl back into your swamp hole. To suggest anyone at Tennessee doesn't know, or understand the expectations is absurd! Coming from a johnny come lately Florida program is even more absurd.

Florida didn't even know what football was until the 90's when Spurrier got there.

Did you know there is only one (I repeat ONE) SEC team that has NEVER had an unbeaten season? Guess who, yes your precious Florida Gators!!!
 
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AJeray4TN said:
Dooley showed Hammy his 6" what now?
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bind·er  [bahyn-der]
noun

1. a detachable cover, resembling the cover of a notebook or book, with clasps or rings for holding loose papers together: a three-ring binder.

2. a person or thing that binds.

If it was 2., I don't wanna know.
 
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