excuse or not but its pretty amazing that

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Wylo said:
Why are Alabama and Georgia so good? At Tennessee freshmen are to be babied and told how young they are.

Are you saying other schools just shut up and play?

Weird.
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Didn't you hear Saban blubbering about all of his youth after getting beaten by the older Ole Piss team?
 
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wmcovol said:
the travel roster will only include 12 players who were at the Swamp 2 yrs ago.....

I don't think Butch is using this as an excuse as much as he's trying to send a message just how much he has changed this program.

Frankly, the only team on the field Saturday that can beat the Vols are the Vols. Time to step up and make it happen.
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Every year theres going to be 40-50 guys who haven't played in a certian sec stadium. And every year there going to be 15-25 guys who have never played a SEC road game. These excuses are nothing more than excuses.
 
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tm3 said:
The youth excuse is really getting old, especially considering that OU has a younger team than UT, and UF has a MUCH younger team than UT.
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It's not entirely inaccurate though. Maggit goes down and there's no junior or senior with game experience to back him up. We have young players at important positions, talent means a lot but there's no substitute for experience.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
His teams are always going to be young if the attrition continues at the current pace. Too many players leaving or have left the program. Happens at every big school but his rate is much higher than the norm.
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and were did you get this info.do you have a link?
 
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EZE said:
By the third year of a coach's tenure, he should know better than play the youth card. And, definitely by the fourth.

Butch must not believe in himself. If he did, he wouldn't be out there trying to buy himself more time. He would instead focus on winning ball games.
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Somebody needs to Tweet him. :glare:
 
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NickZ4UT said:
It's not entirely inaccurate though. Maggit goes down and there's no junior or senior with game experience to back him up. We have young players at important positions, talent means a lot but there's no substitute for experience.
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Nick, Curt's backup at DE is Corey Vereen, a junior. His backup at the LEO spot pass rushing is Chris Weatherd, a senior. His backup at OLB was, until very recently, Kenny Bynum, a red shirt junior.

So now freshman Austin Smith has beaten out Bynum for the OLB start, that's great for the team; talent wins out. It really doesn't change the fact that we have plenty of experienced talent in the box.

We're not as young as Butch likes to portray the team.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Every year theres going to be 40-50 guys who haven't played in a certian sec stadium. And every year there going to be 15-25 guys who have never played a SEC road game. These excuses are nothing more than excuses.
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I see your point,but hopefully in the future, the difference is that those 15-25 guys who have never played an SEC road game will not be our only option as starters. Not sure about you, but I would love to know that we're starting a shat ton of 4 and 5 * upperclassmen next time we travel to the swamp.

Excuse or not, it is what it is.
 
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KBVol said:
With all due respect, it's very much an excuse to tamp down expectations IMHO. Just like the "29 players who are flying down for their first SEC game", just like the "we're actually a younger team this year than last year", just like the "64% of our players have been in the program for 1 year or less", just like last year's "74% of our players have never been in an airplane before" in reference to the Oklahoma game, just like......
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Whatever. The bottom line is that this preseason, the great majority of Vol fans acknowledged that we were still a year away. I thought that, and still do.

My expectations for this year ARE higher, and should be. But back in July I said 8-4 was a reasonable expectation and it still is. Nothing has changed.

We likely will go 8-4 but even if we slip a bit to 7-5 I won't think it's the end of the world. Next season will be different, but this is still a work in progress.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Nick, Curt's backup at DE is Corey Vereen, a junior. His backup at the LEO spot pass rushing is Chris Weatherd, a senior. His backup at OLB was, until very recently, Kenny Bynum, a red shirt junior.

So now freshman Austin Smith has beaten out Bynum for the OLB start, that's great for the team; talent wins out. It really doesn't change the fact that we have plenty of experienced talent in the box.

We're not as young as Butch likes to portray the team.
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You beat me the punch JP. Also, iirc, LaTroy Lewis started at that DE spot versus WCU....he's a RSJr.
 
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KBVol said:
With all due respect, it's very much an excuse to tamp down expectations IMHO. Just like the "29 players who are flying down for their first SEC game", just like the "we're actually a younger team this year than last year", just like the "64% of our players have been in the program for 1 year or less", just like last year's "74% of our players have never been in an airplane before" in reference to the Oklahoma game, just like......
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Inexperience is not why we lost to Oklahoma, it's illogical coaching. I believe the majority of the fan base understands this is only Butch's 3rd yr and we are still relatively young. But this roster is more talented than any other team we play this yr with the exception of Bama. The fan base notices the lack of game day intellect by Butch and losing games that we clearly should have won is concerning (OK 2015, FL 2014, VANDY 2013). Those are notable loses that are not from lack of experience or any additonal rhetoric Butch may be endorsing, its due to a poor coaching performance by himself.
 
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tm3 said:
The youth excuse is really getting old, especially considering that OU has a younger team than UT, and UF has a MUCH younger team than UT.
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UGA has played 21 true freshmen this season, the most in CFB. Richt has made no comments on how young the team is.
 
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KBVol said:
With all due respect, it's very much an excuse to tamp down expectations IMHO. Just like the "29 players who are flying down for their first SEC game", just like the "we're actually a younger team this year than last year", just like the "64% of our players have been in the program for 1 year or less", just like last year's "74% of our players have never been in an airplane before" in reference to the Oklahoma game, just like......
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The truth is the truth.... Grow up fun boy
 
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There are many games we could have won, should have won, maybe. The issue is not experience or talent any more(lots of stats), it's about in game adjustments and Dobbs calling audible to counter a defense, the VOLS can't run a play into the teeth of the defense. Come on game plan!
GO VOLS! RUN the TABLE!
 
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I think Butch is referring to the fact that most of our talented players are young and not the whole team. We keep upgrading in talent, but that means young guns. We have older kids on the roster, but they are not as good as the new young talent. Proof is Alabama and GA numbers saying they are younger--- they may be from top to bottom, but most of their young players are on the bench while the upperclassmen are starting. AL offense and Defensive lines are almost all upperclassmen and LB's as well. Henry is a Junior....
 
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KBVol said:
Actually, as JP has explained in an earlier post, it's not the truth Champ.....only excuses.
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Keep denying the obvious in order to bash Jones and Co.....you and the rest of the known crybabies have to have something to complain about.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Keep denying the obvious in order to bash Jones and Co.....you and the rest of the known crybabies have to have something to complain about.
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Not bashing him, I've praised him many, many times for the majority of things he's done for the program. He's doing a great job overall with the rebuild....could just do without the incessant need to play the "we're too young to win" card, cause it ain't true. You gotta problem with that, it's on you.
 
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PC Jr. said:
What? OU is younger than UT?? Where did that stat come from??

Bottomline: No one cares about how young or old the team is. They want a win @ UF this weekend. Period.

Butch and Co. have to make this happen. If not, people will be upset.
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Last year's game was a want to win this year's game is a must win from the stand point of the perspective of the fans and the recruits. Win, and we explode, lose, and who knows it may head south! Enough with the excuses!!!! win a dadgum football game!
 
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volinbama256 said:
I think Butch is referring to the fact that most of our talented players are young and not the whole team. We keep upgrading in talent, but that means young guns. We have older kids on the roster, but they are not as good as the new young talent. Proof is Alabama and GA numbers saying they are younger--- they may be from top to bottom, but most of their young players are on the bench while the upperclassmen are starting. AL offense and Defensive lines are almost all upperclassmen and LB's as well. Henry is a Junior....
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You mean older kids like Dobbs, Kamara, Pig, North, Pearson, J. Smith, JRM, Randolph, McNeil, and Sutton? If he wants to reference his team's youth, say we have some young, talented players in their development, etc, etc., then fine no problem. But the digging for stats like "we have the fewest starting seniors in all of college football" and "65% of our roster has been in the program 1 year or less", what exactly is he trying to accomplish? He even said "we're actually younger this year than last year"... that's categorically false. Just stop with the excuses already, give a more balanced representation of who contributes most to your team and spend your energy doing more worthwhile things to help the team win IMHO. The RTI guys spent a good bit of time discussing this today as has Swain...enough already.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Johnny Majors said we were young every year he was coaching the Vols.
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Some coaches take their young team, coach 'em up and win games. Other coaches use youth as a crutch when they are being out coached and out played. Georgia played 23 freshmen when they blasted South Carolina and I didn't hear a peep about it. Everyone is playing freshmen and first year starters, it's part of the game. Tired of hearing about it after 3 years and to me it's WEAK and it shows it to your players and fan base. No one gives a sh*t if only 12 players been on an jet plane or 29 players never been to the Swamp...we want you to win and if you find that Tennessee is just too big of a place for you, then GTFO and head back to the MAC
 
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LLcoolDave said:
Some coaches take their young team, coach 'em up and win games. Other coaches use youth as a crutch when they are being out coached and out played. Georgia played 23 freshmen when they blasted South Carolina and I didn't hear a peep about it. Everyone is playing freshmen and first year starters, it's part of the game. Tired of hearing about it after 3 years and to me it's WEAK and it shows it to your players and fan base. No one gives a sh*t if only 12 players been on an jet plane or 29 players never been to the Swamp...we want you to win and if you find that Tennessee is just too big of a place for you, then GTFO and head back to the MAC
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Bravo!
 
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