Exaggerated Expectations

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In August, we were treated to all sorts of gleeful messages of the 2 freshman DLinemen pancaking one OLineman or another, literally tossing them aside. Some speculated that M Jackson and another OL, who were injured, made the fatal mistake of extending their arms and were hurt by these massive human specimens. :) Now I think those speculations were more of an indictment of how weak our OLinemen are than any reality of the athleticism of our current DLine.

Then, too, many of you remember the praise being heaped on the overall Team 119 Defense and how dominant it would be. Supposedly our depth at DB was so talented and good that nobody could throw on us. :cray: We are ranked 13th of 14 conference teams in pass defense giving up over 248 yrd per game and have given up 7 passing TDs in 4 games. Finally, we are 12th of the 14 conference teams in overall Defense.

Although these kinds of exaggerated hopes are not peculiar to us alone, I feel certain that it is just this kind of premature speculations that lead to meltdowns among the fan base.

In no way I'm suggesting the players have failed. Our 2 young true freshmen linemen are just learning to get off blocks and a long way yet from making individual tackles, muchless sacking a QB.

Rather than excuse the losses or place blame on coaches or players for the 2 losses, I am just pointing out that DEFENSE is more of a problem than anything else at this point. Tackling has been a severe weakness in every game. How telling is it that we have a freshman QB turned WR to make one of the few classic arms around upper legs wrap-up driving tackles on a kickoff return last week? The regular position defense should be shown that footage as a reminder of what a textbook tackle looks like. I see them bump, dive at feet, and reach all too often. That's not tackling. The fundamentals are too important to overlook.

Yes, we need to throw the ball downfield. Of course. Yes, we need to attack and not milk a lead. Lots of old coaches are guilty of that. Remember us rallying to beat Spurrier''s Gamecocks last year? Think they were upset that night?

But we need to recognize that just as we don't have perfect coaches, we aren't perfect fans either. Far from it. Everybody wants to rant after a loss, especially Sat. nights and Sundays. It's just part of the ritual I reckon. But after that, you need to reprogram yourself. Get ready for the next game weekend. Stop talking about firing coaches when you know that's not happening anytime soon regardless of what happens.
Live in the Now. Talk about Arkansas and their weak secondary and how we have to exploit that weakness this week with our air game. Let me remind you. Enjoy this season while you can. We are 4 weeks in, and it's going to be a long wait til the fall of 16.
 
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Whew. Worn out now.

I think exaggerated expectations occurred at 17-3 and 27-14 in the 4th quarters. The crash back to reality wasn't fun.
 
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Expectations would've been considered exaggerated if we were getting blown out or dominated. However, the opposite has happened. We've been the ones dominating opponents for 3.5 quarters before the 4th quarter meltdowns.

This team should be 4-0. So expectations were accurate and not exaggerated.
 
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Arkansas' secondary can be as exaggeratingly horrible as possible, our pourous scheme won't likely be able to take advantage. For all the exaggerated expectations from the off season, our corp of beastly wideouts has been worse than the tackling. I'm not even vested in the team as I have been in years past but somehow I'm more disappointed in UT now than say the 2005 season.
 
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Rarely is there a player that lives up to the practice hype.

The only guy in the past few years I can think of that actually lived up to the ridiculous practice hype we hear every summer has been Cordarrelle Patterson.
 
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I am rewatching the game now. We are up 27-14. I still expect to hold that lead. The expectations were 8 wins as the low water mark. Seeing the team so far they are better than I thought. This could have been a 10 win season.
 
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I am rewatching the game now. We are up 27-14. I still expect to hold that lead. The expectations were 8 wins as the low water mark. Seeing the team so far they are better than I thought. This could have been a 10 win season.

STOP watching now.... its ok, we win by 30, go to bed.
 
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STOP watching now.... its ok, we win by 30, go to bed.

It is 4th and 7. The QB looks shaken up. 13 point lead. We're good. I am confused why we didn't go for two but no way they convert this.
 
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4th and 8 with four minutes left. This should do it. Oh wait, what?
 
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I guess millionaire coach Jones shouldn't be expected to actually handle himself like a real coach.

He's clueless on Saturday.

All talk. Fill the cupboards and do what you do....

Sell rainbows and promises
 
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Next year wait the next year I mean the next year.....

Some of you act like Jones is some single A high school coach whos only working with the hand he was delt for an extra 2k a year on his teaching salary. The man is a millionaire and if he gets fired he will take this university for 10 million dollar's.
 
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My preseason expectation was for 8-4 with 9-3 being a realistic goal. I am extremely disappointed in HOW the 2-2 current record came to happen. The team played well enough to be 4-0 and have the fans dancing in the streets. The coaching left us feeling shafted.
 
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once again it isn't that we lost, it is how we lost. By the way who was favored in those games to win? Vegas aint stupid. We are closer than we have been, I am hanging on in support of VolNation.
 
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In August, we were treated to all sorts of gleeful messages of the 2 freshman DLinemen pancaking one OLineman or another, literally tossing them aside. Some speculated that M Jackson and another OL, who were injured, made the fatal mistake of extending their arms and were hurt by these massive human specimens. :) Now I think those speculations were more of an indictment of how weak our OLinemen are than any reality of the athleticism of our current DLine.

Then, too, many of you remember the praise being heaped on the overall Team 119 Defense and how dominant it would be. Supposedly our depth at DB was so talented and good that nobody could throw on us. :cray: We are ranked 13th of 14 conference teams in pass defense giving up over 248 yrd per game and have given up 7 passing TDs in 4 games. Finally, we are 12th of the 14 conference teams in overall Defense.

Although these kinds of exaggerated hopes are not peculiar to us alone, I feel certain that it is just this kind of premature speculations that lead to meltdowns among the fan base.

In no way I'm suggesting the players have failed. Our 2 young true freshmen linemen are just learning to get off blocks and a long way yet from making individual tackles, muchless sacking a QB.

Rather than excuse the losses or place blame on coaches or players for the 2 losses, I am just pointing out that DEFENSE is more of a problem than anything else at this point. Tackling has been a severe weakness in every game. How telling is it that we have a freshman QB turned WR to make one of the few classic arms around upper legs wrap-up driving tackles on a kickoff return last week? The regular position defense should be shown that footage as a reminder of what a textbook tackle looks like. I see them bump, dive at feet, and reach all too often. That's not tackling. The fundamentals are too important to overlook.

Yes, we need to throw the ball downfield. Of course. Yes, we need to attack and not milk a lead. Lots of old coaches are guilty of that. Remember us rallying to beat Spurrier''s Gamecocks last year? Think they were upset that night?

But we need to recognize that just as we don't have perfect coaches, we aren't perfect fans either. Far from it. Everybody wants to rant after a loss, especially Sat. nights and Sundays. It's just part of the ritual I reckon. But after that, you need to reprogram yourself. Get ready for the next game weekend. Stop talking about firing coaches when you know that's not happening anytime soon regardless of what happens.
Live in the Now. Talk about Arkansas and their weak secondary and how we have to exploit that weakness this week with our air game. Let me remind you. Enjoy this season while you can. We are 4 weeks in, and it's going to be a long wait til the fall of 16.

We lost in the waning minutes to two mediocre teams. These were not top 5 teams, these were teams that at best are as good as us on paper.

At some point Jones has to win a game that isn't S Carolina, Kentucky or Vandy.
 
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My expectations are to win one of two games you are leading in late in the 4th.

Just one of those games would have given us hope.

IMO moving forward the fan base will expect us to choke again in every game we are leading as we've not show the ability to knock out the opponent after they've picked themselves up off the canvas.

We need a KO in a big game
 
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In August, we were treated to all sorts of gleeful messages of the 2 freshman DLinemen pancaking one OLineman or another, literally tossing them aside. Some speculated that M Jackson and another OL, who were injured, made the fatal mistake of extending their arms and were hurt by these massive human specimens. :) Now I think those speculations were more of an indictment of how weak our OLinemen are than any reality of the athleticism of our current DLine.

Then, too, many of you remember the praise being heaped on the overall Team 119 Defense and how dominant it would be. Supposedly our depth at DB was so talented and good that nobody could throw on us. :cray: We are ranked 13th of 14 conference teams in pass defense giving up over 248 yrd per game and have given up 7 passing TDs in 4 games. Finally, we are 12th of the 14 conference teams in overall Defense.

Although these kinds of exaggerated hopes are not peculiar to us alone, I feel certain that it is just this kind of premature speculations that lead to meltdowns among the fan base.

In no way I'm suggesting the players have failed. Our 2 young true freshmen linemen are just learning to get off blocks and a long way yet from making individual tackles, muchless sacking a QB.

Rather than excuse the losses or place blame on coaches or players for the 2 losses, I am just pointing out that DEFENSE is more of a problem than anything else at this point. Tackling has been a severe weakness in every game. How telling is it that we have a freshman QB turned WR to make one of the few classic arms around upper legs wrap-up driving tackles on a kickoff return last week? The regular position defense should be shown that footage as a reminder of what a textbook tackle looks like. I see them bump, dive at feet, and reach all too often. That's not tackling. The fundamentals are too important to overlook.

Yes, we need to throw the ball downfield. Of course. Yes, we need to attack and not milk a lead. Lots of old coaches are guilty of that. Remember us rallying to beat Spurrier''s Gamecocks last year? Think they were upset that night?

But we need to recognize that just as we don't have perfect coaches, we aren't perfect fans either. Far from it. Everybody wants to rant after a loss, especially Sat. nights and Sundays. It's just part of the ritual I reckon. But after that, you need to reprogram yourself. Get ready for the next game weekend. Stop talking about firing coaches when you know that's not happening anytime soon regardless of what happens.
Live in the Now. Talk about Arkansas and their weak secondary and how we have to exploit that weakness this week with our air game. Let me remind you. Enjoy this season while you can. We are 4 weeks in, and it's going to be a long wait til the fall of 16.

None, I repeat there are NO exaggerated expectations. Butch is not winning. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. He is 0-3 against FL, 0-2 against GA and 0-2 against BAMA. Very likely with what we have seen from Butch he will be 0-3 against all three of our biggest rivals in a few short weeks. Make no mistake Butch is in trouble. What eventually lead to Fulmer's dismissal was repeatedly losing to our biggest rivals. Dooley just couldn't win and Butch is following that same pattern.
 
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Spoken like a true Vol fan.. We blow 2 4th quarter leads, and the upset fans had exaggerated expectations. People aren't upset for the simple reason that we lost. It's because terrible coaching decisions turned Ws into Ls. And yes, my expectation is to win games when we have substantial 4th quarter leads.
 
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Expectations would've been considered exaggerated if we were getting blown out or dominated. However, the opposite has happened. We've been the ones dominating opponents for 3.5 quarters before the 4th quarter meltdowns.

This team should be 4-0. So expectations were accurate and not exaggerated.

This. All day long and twice on Sundays.
 
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Preseason expectations mean jack. You evaluate as the games are played. We should be 4-0 with this team on this day, but our coach is quite possibly one of the worst gameday coaches of all time. He is setting some of the worst records in Tennessee history.
 
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There is never any discussion about a coach actually winning with the lesser team. It happens weekly, coaches out-coach the other guy. At UT our expectations are too high if we think this way. The only way our coaches are expected to win is with a senior laden team, having tremendous depth in every category offense and defense, 3rd year starting QB and all american middle linebacker. Anything short of that we can't expect to beat a quality SEC team.
 
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Preseason expectations mean jack. You evaluate as the games are played. We should be 4-0 with this team on this day, but our coach is quite possibly one of the worst gameday coaches of all time. He is setting some of the worst records in Tennessee history.

Attendance will determine Butch' fate. When you have quite possibly one of the worst gameday coaches of all time and the fans begin to see it, the players know it and recruits start to see it you are in BIG trouble. Multiple opportunities against OU and FL to put the game away but instead Butch went hard core conservative on offense and less aggressive on defense.

You cannot hide incompetence indefinitely. Eventually people recognize and accept you are as good as your W-L record. Butch is below average and he is running out of time. He desperately needed the FL win last year AND this year.

The equity he built with recruiting and a mildly successful 2nd year have been spent with terrible losses to OU and FL. He is in debt now and a loss to ARK this week moves him into the top 3 (negatively) on the coacheshotseat.
 
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My preseason expectation was for 8-4 with 9-3 being a realistic goal. I am extremely disappointed in HOW the 2-2 current record came to happen. The team played well enough to be 4-0 and have the fans dancing in the streets. The coaching left us feeling shafted.
ditto.
 
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Sportsfan is right saying its not that we lost, its HOW we lost this game and the OK game.... I will totally agree with OP that our tackling is horrible. The OK QB ran for his life all night and would literally just shake tacklers off of himself. I was shocked watching Sutton the FL game with his poor finishing.. at one point he just kind of shoved a WR towards the sideline and just stopped- the WR continued to go downfield for another 4yds... WTF? There are plenty of shortcomings from the players in these games, but overall they played their hearts out-- they are kids and will make mistakes. The coaching staff on the other hand are supposed to be professionals at their job and get paid a lot of money. When they make mistakes, a lot of mistakes that is unacceptable and they should be held accountable and should hold THEMSELVES accountable.... this is where the disconnect with the fanbase is--- while they have now been forced to say a little coach-speak to reporters on Monday and Tuesday after getting blasted by just about all sports media outlets, they still don't seem to get their mistakes and aren't making the changes necessary to fix the problem.
 
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