Events that changed UT history.

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sami said:
This is in no way defending White, but Vitello wasn't "poached" away. He got an offer that is every coach / manager's dream, to manage a MLB team. Being "poached" would have been if another school stole him away. This is the f***king Major Leagues. There are things to criticize White about, but there wan't a damn thing he could do to keep Tony.
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I double-checked my use of the word poached, used in the business sense, and it stands to reason against your objection.
Albeit by your belief, he moved on to a theoretically superior position, but the same one nevertheless-- head coach.
The University of Tennessee is now its own franchise (and has been) whether officially declared or otherwise, yet despite such, its CEO was reluctant to hard-sell it's best coach to remain, against being tempted to take another head coaching job elsewhere.
After what has been strongly speculated about ADDW and CTV's conflicting professional-ascension, I am inclined to believe DW LIHOP'd Vitello's departure.
I believe Vitello had a notion to stay, but wasn't sold on being retained by his boss (not nearly as well as DW sales price-hikes and luxury suites, etc, etc), when compared to those giving him advice in favor of moving on to SF.
Thus, the blunder lays at the feet of ADDW by default or any other metric, imho.
I just think it was a net loss and mailed-in by the A.D. for whatever agenda or reasons
 
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10seV4L said:
I double-checked my use of the word poached, used in the business sense, and it stands to reason against your objection.
Albeit by your belief, he moved on to a theoretically superior position, but the same one nevertheless-- head coach.
The U of T is now its own franchise (and has been), whether officially declared or otherwise, and as such, its CEO allowed it's best coach to move on.
After what has been floated about ADDW and CTV's conflicting "ascension", I am inclined to believe DW LIHOP'd Vitello's departure.
I believe Vitello had a notion to stay, but was given less than the fuzzies about the prospect from his boss, when compared to those giving him advice in favor of moving on.
Thus, the blunder lays at the feet of ADDW by default or any other metric, imho.
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Blocked for calling us the "U of T"
 
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10seV4L said:
I double-checked my use of the word poached, used in the business sense, and it stands to reason against your objection.
Albeit by your belief, he moved on to a theoretically superior position, but the same one nevertheless-- head coach.
The University of Tennessee is now its own franchise (and has been) whether officially declared or otherwise, yet despite such, its CEO was reluctant to hard-sell it's best coach to remain, against being tempted to take another head coaching job elsewhere.
After what has been strongly speculated about ADDW and CTV's conflicting professional-ascension, I am inclined to believe DW LIHOP'd Vitello's departure.
I believe Vitello had a notion to stay, but wasn't sold on being retained by his boss (not nearly as well as DW sales price-hikes and luxury suites, etc, etc), when compared to those giving him advice in favor of moving on to SF.
Thus, the blunder lays at the feet of ADDW by default or any other metric, imho.
I just think it was a net loss and mailed-in by the A.D. for whatever agenda or reasons
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I know that those in and around Knoxville believe that the world revolves around UT and the SEC, but we're talking about the Major Leagues here. It's not a "theoretically superior position" that Tony was offered, it's a different solar system, the ultimate for anyone in baseball at any level.

Tony is an historical figure now, the only college coach to ever make the jump to the majors without ever having coached or managed there. There was nothing White could sell him on that would come close to equaling that kind of once in a lifetime opportunity. Tony can come back to the college game any time he wants, and would have dozens of suitors if he did.

The only reason TV wouldn't take an MLB job would be if he didn't think he could handle it or didn't want to deal with professional players, in which case the whole thing would be moot. You seem to have a hard on for White, and I'm not his biggest fan either, but there was nothing he could do here if TV wanted the Giants job.
 
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kckempf said:
I don't think anybody else would have been more likely to keep Vitello from going to the Giants. I can understand disagreeing with White's approach but I would come into any criticism of that event assuming that no matter what Tony's going to take an opportunity that literally no other college coach has ever been given.
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If you believe that then you need to listen to Vitello’s opening spring presser with the Giants.
 
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sami said:
I know that those in and around Knoxville believe that the world revolves around UT and the SEC, but we're talking about the Major Leagues here. It's not a "theoretically superior position" that Tony was offered, it's a different solar system, the ultimate for anyone in baseball at any level.

Tony is an historical figure now, the only college coach to ever make the jump to the majors without ever having coached or managed there. There was nothing White could sell him on that would come close to equaling that kind of once in a lifetime opportunity. Tony can come back to the college game any time he wants, and would have dozens of suitors if he did.

The only reason TV wouldn't take an MLB job would be if he didn't think he could handle it or didn't want to deal with professional players, in which case the whole thing would be moot. You seem to have a hard on for White, and I'm not his biggest fan either, but there was nothing he could do here if TV wanted the Giants job.
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Absolutely. That's what many Vols fans don't get. This isn't like Tony Vitello left us for another college program. This was a Manager's job in Major League Baseball. The very top of the food chain. And for one of the most historical baseball clubs in history, no less, in the San Francisco Giants. I hated that Tony left, but I understood and hold no ill will towards him, nor do I hold any ill will with Danny White. I am sure that he tried all he could to get him to stay in Knoxville. But let's be real.

You're a College Baseball Coach, for one of the top College teams, nonetheless. And one of the top baseball clubs in MLB history came calling offering you a lot more money to coach their team. Are a lot of you seriously going to say that, if you're in Coach Vitello's shoes, that you'd just turn that down like that? As much as I love our Base Vols, if I was in Coach Vitello's shoes, I think I would have honestly done the same thing.
 
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I have a couple. If we wouldn't have pissed off Kevin Stallings by talking with other coaches after it was reported he was offered the job and we ended up with Jerry Green instead in 1998. Green was a decent Coach but imagine how much better those Jerry Green coached teams could've been under Stallings. I think that, in 2000, he would've landed us in that Final Four. Hell, we could have had a couple of more Final Fours as well. We possibly could have even won a National Championship if we would have had went ahead and hired Kevin Stallings instead of screwing the pooch on that one and Vandy getting him a year later.

And in 2008, if we would have hired Gary Patterson instead of Turd Stain, we would have been in a lot better shape. I don't know if we would have another National Championship if Patterson was our Coach, but we would still be in the upper tier in the SEC today and wouldn't have had to have endured the s***storm of Kiffin leaving us in the middle of the night, Hamilton then panic hiring Derek Dooley, and we likely would have never had to have had Butch Jones or Cornbread step onto campus and onto our Field as our Head Coach.
 
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brockytop said:
If you believe that then you need to listen to Vitello’s opening spring presser with the Giants.
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I have no idea what he said in that PC, but if Tony in any way hinted that part of taking a Major f***ing League manager job with an iconic franchise had something (or anything!) to do with how he was treated by a college program, I would already have buyer's remorse if I was a Giants fan or someone in the organization.
 
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sambronkowitz said:
Absolutely. That's what many Vols fans don't get. This isn't like Tony Vitello left us for another college program. This was a Manager's job in Major League Baseball. The very top of the food chain. And for one of the most historical baseball clubs in history, no less, in the San Francisco Giants. I hated that Tony left, but I understood and hold no ill will towards him, nor do I hold any ill will with Danny White. I am sure that he tried all he could to get him to stay in Knoxville. But let's be real.

You're a College Baseball Coach, for one of the top College teams, nonetheless. And one of the top baseball clubs in MLB history came calling offering you a lot more money to coach their team. Are a lot of you seriously going to say that, if you're in Coach Vitello's shoes, that you'd just turn that down like that? As much as I love our Base Vols, if I was in Coach Vitello's shoes, I think I would have honestly done the same thing.
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"Well-known member" since Sept. of last year (???).
Okay.
Known to or by whom???
You're also disconnected to the pulse of UT, and unable to read into anything CVT said in pressers before, during, and after the flirtation and then subsequent move.
So, nuff said. No reason to react to you or your cohort's take(s) committed to deflecting an obvious blunder by ADDW
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The thread is about major events that have affected UT sports. This was my contribution and opinion.
Instead, @sami & co.(?), what do you think has boosted UT or shook us to the core in any sport; excluding anything forensics for your sake?
I think CTV leaving was significant, especially for ADDW and moreso, UT Baseball...
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Letting Spurrier go to Florida because we were still running the single wing. If Dickey had been hired earlier and landed Spurrier, that changes a lot.

Hiring Bill Battle to replace Dickey instead of Johnny Majors. Majors could’ve had a dynasty if he’d arrived in 1970.

Alternatively, Bill Majors was considered the best coaching prospect in that family. If he hadn’t been killed, he probably takes over for Dickey and has tremendous success.

Also, what happens if Tennessee hires Rick Barnes instead of Wade Houston or Kevin O’Neill? I believe he was a candidate both of those times.
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All very good points!
 
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TennEddie said:
Doug Dickey doing what he said he was not going to do: sneaking out of Knoxville and going to UF.
DD had it rolling on The Hill. Every year they were getting better. He had his foot firmly on the Bear’s neck.
Leaving when he did was one of the worst things to happen to UT and one of the best for Bama.

Bruce Pearl getting canned on account of a back yard cook out. Looking back from today’s perspective
where players are openly paid and some teams ( Bama ) are actually playing former NBA pros to play,
a weeny roast looks awfully lame.

Pat Summit becomes ill with a life threatening disease and is unable to coach. Arguably the most visible person
from UT in the national media, is suddenly taken from us. We have never recovered.

We FINALLY get a program that brings us national recognition and championships, and just as quickly as he arrives
Tony V leaves us. It remains to be seen how dramatically this change will effect us, but I doubt if he can be replaced.
Not just in the win/loss records, but his dynamic personality. He was SPECIAL !


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Considering we won a freaking Natty in Baseball of all sports, Tony V will always have a spot here. He would have been an idiot to turn down of the most historic franchise's manager job.

For all we know, he could flame out in a 2-3 season. That window is likely what Elander will get.

I wouldn't be shocked if Tony V winds back up at Tennessee down the road. Because he either succeeds in the MLB and never comes back to college level or he flames out and comes back to college ranks. For him to come back to Tennessee, Elander would have be a bubble team each season with no real post season runs.
 
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10seV4L said:
"Well-known member" since Sept. of last year.
Okay.
Known to or by whom???
You're also disconnected to the pulse of UT, and unable to read into anything CVT said in pressers before, during, and after the flirtation and then subsequent move.
So, nuff said. No reason to react to you or your cohort's take(s) committed to deflecting an obvious blunder by ADDW
#cooked
The thread is about major events that have affected UT sports. This was my contribution and opinion.
Instead, @sami & co.(?), what do you think has boosted UT or shook us to the core in any sport; excluding anything forensics for your sake?
I think CTV leaving was significant, especially for ADDW and moreso, UT Baseball...
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Okay, calm down, man. Sheesh.
 
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10seV4L said:
"Well-known member" since Sept. of last year.
Okay.
Known to or by whom???
You're also disconnected to the pulse of UT, and unable to read into anything CVT said in pressers before, during, and after the flirtation and then subsequent move.
So, nuff said. No reason to react to you or your cohort's take(s) committed to deflecting an obvious blunder by ADDW
#cooked
The thread is about major events that have affected UT sports. This was my contribution and opinion.
Instead, @sami & co.(?), what do you think has boosted UT or shook us to the core in any sport; excluding anything forensics for your sake?
I think CTV leaving was significant, especially for ADDW and moreso, UT Baseball...
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How did he blunder it? Because he didn't immediately hand the keys to Elander? What if Elander didn't want the job? What if during the conversation Elander went "I want to be a HC but I don't want to follow Vitello, so I don't want it". And if DW didn't interview others then program would've sunk and you'd be crying about it in a different way?
 
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whobethis16 said:
How did he blunder it? Because he didn't immediately hand the keys to Elander? What if Elander didn't want the job? What if during the conversation Elander went "I want to be a HC but I don't want to follow Vitello, so I don't want it". And if DW didn't interview others then program would've sunk and you'd be crying about it in a different way?
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Volador said:
LOVED the Mears Stall. Without 24 second clocks, he'd hold the ball for 3-4 minutes at a time. Nobody did it better in the NCAAM
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It is a shame that Mear’s coaching was cut short because of medical conditions. He was a great coach and loved Tennessee. Aberdeen was a great recruiter for him even though he was only about 5’6” .
 
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Butch Jones said:
Lane Kiffin leaving after 1 season and the crap show that followed for many years. 16 years later he is the highest paid coach in college football. (Kirby makes like 250k more but he’s right there)
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3rd highest*

Kirby and Cignetti are 1 and 2.
 
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sambronkowitz said:
Absolutely. That's what many Vols fans don't get. This isn't like Tony Vitello left us for another college program. This was a Manager's job in Major League Baseball. The very top of the food chain. And for one of the most historical baseball clubs in history, no less, in the San Francisco Giants. I hated that Tony left, but I understood and hold no ill will towards him, nor do I hold any ill will with Danny White. I am sure that he tried all he could to get him to stay in Knoxville. But let's be real.

You're a College Baseball Coach, for one of the top College teams, nonetheless. And one of the top baseball clubs in MLB history came calling offering you a lot more money to coach their team. Are a lot of you seriously going to say that, if you're in Coach Vitello's shoes, that you'd just turn that down like that? As much as I love our Base Vols, if I was in Coach Vitello's shoes, I think I would have honestly done the same thing.
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$3.3 mil at TN, $3.5 at SF. That's not a LOT MORE money. Especially considering living in CA
 
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YankeeVol said:
$3.3 mil at TN, $3.5 at SF. That's not a LOT MORE money. Especially considering living in CA
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Realistically he lost money in the deal. Also realistically he got more than any other first time coach in MLB history. Giants manager Tony Vitello to make highest salary ever for 1st time MLB manager

I don't think the money was a major consideration, but he probably wouldn't have taken it if the Giants had offered him less than he had been making at Tennessee. Which is a different thing from saying that we could have had a bidding war and won, given that it wasn't the money that got him to accept in the first place.
 
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kckempf said:
Realistically he lost money in the deal. Also realistically he got more than any other first time coach in MLB history. Giants manager Tony Vitello to make highest salary ever for 1st time MLB manager

I don't think the money was a major consideration, but he probably wouldn't have taken it if the Giants had offered him less than he had been making at Tennessee. Which is a different thing from saying that we could have had a bidding war and won, given that it wasn't the money that got him to accept in the first place.
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Tony hated the NIL issues dealing with recruits. He stated they would come in his office telling him what it would take to get them to sign, Based on what was offered elsewhere. Also later said that the tweet coming out saying he had already decided and he definitely hadn’t, and the contention it was causing his coaching staff.
 
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VolCalls said:
I’ve said this before, but I’ll go to my grave believing we were the best team and should’ve won the national title in 1990.
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Despite the bad guys winning, the ‘90 Notre Dame game is the best football game I have witnessed in person.

The ‘90 Bama is among the worst.
 
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Volador said:
LOVED the Mears Stall. Without 24 second clocks, he'd hold the ball for 3-4 minutes at a time. Nobody did it better in the NCAAM
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I was living in Nashville during the Mears days. I remember the Vandy fans were always complaining about Mears slow game. When he finally signed studs like Earnie and Bernie, they were wishing he would stop playing so fast paced.
 
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