Even the local media is laughing

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Rockytoptn83 said:
I'm so disappointed that this is the state of our program.
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I don't think "the state of the program" is nearly as bad as you seem to think it is. You don't have a QB, plain and simple. Outside of that fact, the rest of the "program" doesn't seem in bad shape....at least not from the outside.

They need to start Stephens for 2 or 3 games. Even though Crompton beats him in practice, he obviously isn't playing the same way in the game. Some guys are "practice rep" guys, and some guys are "game day" guys. Stephens needs enough PT so coaches can see what kind of "game day" player he is this year.

Eternal Vol said:
Only a mindless d-bag would argue that Chris Todd and Jon Crompton are equal talents.

Chris Todd also had how many years at Texas Tech who runs a similar, albeit not exact, offense?
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Our offense and the Texas Tech "air raid" offense are extremely, extremely different. Not to mention, after leaving TT, he went to junior college and had horrible stats. Then hurt his shoulder, then got benched last year, then had surgery and came back this fall, missing all of spring and summer.

I think Todd is a capable leader, and is pretty mature with some decent physical skills. But honestly, it can not be overstated how important the coaching of Malzahn has been for him.
 
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Oh, Moorehouse is just feeling froggy since D-B beat South.

All the commentators are going to have a field day stating the obvious. But I think it is also obvious that CLK doesn't have a better QB at this point. Lean times for awhile.

I agree that it is no fun watching this happen to my team. I feel bad for the defense.
 
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rowsdower said:
I think it's more feasible that you end up starting Stephens which would make starting him for the rest of the year the "right" option. By doing what Kiffin is doing, by simply making an example out of Crompton, he's pretty much throwing the season anyways. If he's doing that, then he might as well get some meaningful snaps for Stephens since the games don't matter anymore.
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Stephens will not be our starting QB next year. It will be Bray or another recruit (if we get another).
 
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The blame belongs to one person: phil fulmer, who left the talent level in shambles, and is now sitting home in his mansion, with millions in UT buyout cash, laughing as he and his wife head to the golf course for another tough day.
 
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I watched Crompton miss wide open runningbacks and wide receivers on screen passes like four times against Auburn. I am sorry but I think Stephens can at least make that throw. You can't possibly dumb down the offense anymore than Kiffin has and Crompton still throws behind his wide receivers and hits them in the shoes. So the wide receivers drop three passes. Crompton under or overthrew them 10 times. If we are going to lose anyways, I want to watch Stephens lose. The image of Crompton losing is burned into my retinas. What's his record, 5-10? That's just a guess but It has to be bad. At least Stephen's will still be here next year. Crompton is gone after this year so why let him take reps away from Stephens in a losing effort? Should we be excited when he wins two more games on the season and we win four games total? I'll take half that with Stephens at QB and take one win the rest of the season.
 
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VolsRule said:
The blame belongs to one person: phil fulmer, who left the talent level in shambles, and is now sitting home in his mansion, with millions in UT buyout cash, laughing as he and his wife head to the golf course for another tough day.
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DING DING DING tell him what he's won Johnny.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
His articulate writing suggests otherwise---and that he is more intelligent than 90% on this site.
Argue if you will----and I know you will--but all of his points are dead on. Dented that brick wall yet? :)
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He is a joke, just like most media, because he writes this crap knowing about 10% of whats actually going on. If he was as bright as you claim him to be, why doesnt he point out the fact that we are in this mess because of poor recruiting by Fulmer. He is just following the Kiffin bashing that is "popular" in the sports media right now. But rest assured, like most of the oxygen thieves that are the media, he will be first in line to sniff Kiffins jock when we start winning again. Just hope he likes the taste of some good ole deep fried crow.
 
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Big Orange Nation said:
Stephens will not be our starting QB next year. It will be Bray or another recruit (if we get another).
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You don't know jack! Nobody knows who will be the guy next year. Anything can happen. What we do know is that #8 will not beat any SEC team this year with the exception of maybe Vandy. Kiffin has already wasted half the season with his stubborness and plans to throw away the rest.
 
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I agree with most of the article by Travis. I don't think anybody with a set of eyes can form a legit argument for most of those points. Theres' no way they're worse than this year though.
 
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Big Orange Nation said:
Stephens will not be our starting QB next year. It will be Bray or another recruit (if we get another).
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Whether he is or isn't, that puts the team one injury away from playing him. The team may recruit another quarterback but right now Bray is it. So if Bray gets hurt, you're calling it a season? I would at least like Stephen's to get as much experience as possible even if he is a back up. Never know when we will need him. Crompton will be off doing whatever he is doing but I know he won't be here.
 
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TennesseeT said:
You don't know jack! Nobody knows who will be the guy next year. Anything can happen. What we do know is that #8 will not beat any SEC team this year with the exception of maybe Vandy. Kiffin has already wasted half the season with his stubborness and plans to throw away the rest.
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You are right, I don't know jack and you don't either.

Why so hostile?

I will be willing to bet that Stephens is not our starting qb next year. You tell me what you want to bet.

Bray will be here this winter. I fully expect him or another recruit to beat out the guy who can't take the job from Crompton.
 
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colliervillecard said:
not a pleasant read but I am afraid he is correct on some points. The only thing I really would argue is CLK's record as a head coach. Oakland was a terrible football team and UT is below average in the SEC and D1. The 2012/13 seasons will be a better gauge of the coaching. You can't shoot anyone with an empty gun.
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Thie difference between those two states is that one is controllable in the long term while the other one was practically he had no choice in shaping the team due to lack of realization from Mr. Senile.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Whether he is or isn't, that puts the team one injury away from playing him. The team may recruit another quarterback but right now Bray is it. So if Bray gets hurt, you're calling it a season? I would at least like Stephen's to get as much experience as possible even if he is a back up. Never know when we will need him. Crompton will be off doing whatever he is doing but I know he won't be here.
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Yeah, we are definately thin at QB. Hopefully we will pull in another recruit.

I am not against Stephens playing. I just am not one to think I know more about what is better for the team than our coaches do like some on here.
 
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Big Orange Nation said:
You are right, I don't know jack and you don't either.

Why so hostile?

I will be willing to bet that Stephens is not our starting qb next year. You tell me what you want to bet.

Bray will be here this winter. I fully expect him or another recruit to beat out the guy who can't take the job from Crompton.
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I'm hostile because I have to keep watching this horses butt wearing #8 take the field every weekend and it's screwing up my world. Seriously I think it's driving me nuts.

I'll bet you Crompton doesn't beat UGA, Bama, SC, or Ole Miss.
 
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I don't agree with Clay on everything, but he makes some really good points.

"In his first season Kiffin has struck an iceberg, and he's going down on the S.S. Crompton."

I made a very similar comparison to a friend during the game. When the Titanic started going down, do you think they say, "don't worry, the ship will right itself?" Something needs to change. It's not fair to the other players on offense, the defense, the fans. If Kiffin is seriously sacrificing this season for the hope of signing another QB, then that is an outrage. You recruit in order to win games. It's not a means to an end. So, if it costs you games, then your priorities are wrong.

Clay was also right in saying that Crompton has lost the WR's trust. I had not seen that at all until this game. They have no idea what to expect from him, so they think they have to make an unbelievable play. They dropped passes. It's becoming obvious. He's losing the team. It's time to right the ship.
 
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jadennis said:
I don't think "the state of the program" is nearly as bad as you seem to think it is. You don't have a QB, plain and simple. Outside of that fact, the rest of the "program" doesn't seem in bad shape....at least not from the outside.

They need to start Stephens for 2 or 3 games. Even though Crompton beats him in practice, he obviously isn't playing the same way in the game. Some guys are "practice rep" guys, and some guys are "game day" guys. Stephens needs enough PT so coaches can see what kind of "game day" player he is this year.



Our offense and the Texas Tech "air raid" offense are extremely, extremely different. Not to mention, after leaving TT, he went to junior college and had horrible stats. Then hurt his shoulder, then got benched last year, then had surgery and came back this fall, missing all of spring and summer.

I think Todd is a capable leader, and is pretty mature with some decent physical skills. But honestly, it can not be overstated how important the coaching of Malzahn has been for him.
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I should have used the phrasing that Todd's offenses have been building blocks to what Malzahn runs. Even last year's offense has some similarities to this years. Don't get me wrong, I have complete respect for Malzahn and the difference he has made in the whole team.

I also forgot to mention Todd's injury from last year which makes comparisons to Crompton even less legitimate.

We do agree that we are a decent QB away from being in an entirely different boat. We run an efficient offense and our defense will be nearly impossible to beat. We only gave up 26 points to an Auburn offense that is 3rd in the nation and were on the field more than the average game. By the end, the D was tired and worn out, but pretty inspiring play considering the circumstances.

I do not think playing Stephens is a good idea however. Crompton, though slow, is progressing in the offense. Stephens would take the same amount of time to adjust and we would have a minimally better product at best. Once the decision was made, it was and should be final.

This offense is predicated on timing, timing that the entire offensive team has only had a couple of months of supervised coaching, in the midst of injuries. This will take a while to sort out. The timing will build and as the program's depth gets better, the timing from year to year will be more consistent, no matter who is playing.

Example, Mark Sanchez when he filled in for John David Booty for a game in 2007, very unimpressive, but then was all-world in 2008. Sanchez did not have as much practice time with the first team to build that timing, but by 2008 the second teamers had become first teamers and they had years of working on timing together.
 
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TennesseeT said:
I'm hostile because I have to keep watching this horses butt wearing #8 take the field every weekend and it's screwing up my world. Seriously I think it's driving me nuts.

I'll bet you Crompton doesn't beat UGA, Bama, SC, or Ole Miss.
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LOL, I hear ya bro. He is tough to watch.

I am hoping we win at least one of those. We should be in most of those games if we can keep our D from giving up on the season and eat the clock on offense, which is hard to do going 3 and out almost every time.

I am in no way a Crompton defender.
 
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I am afraid we will see Nick Stephens for the bama game. If JC lays another egg against GA. We have seen this movie before and we know the ending. I do not think NS is the answer. Do i know what the answer is? no, is it Tyler Bray? Not this year. Right now, it is what it is. We should have saw this coming in all honesty.
We as Vol fans are in hell right now. However, i ask you one question, how do you think the team feels?
 
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VolJeepX said:
So we should go with a guy who can't even beat JC in practice?
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This is a guy that always looked worse in practice, but always over preformed JC in games last year. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't bench Crompton, but the fact is NS can't be any worse. However, with all of the freshman we have starting for us, I do believe that Lane Kiffin is going with who he thinks gives us the best chance to win.
 
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It needs to STOP....we owe it to our new players to retain and exhibit a positive, enthusiastic and loyal fan base! We will get better....we have an excellent coaching staff and some great new recruits and a great heritage. The fans have an important role and that is to support this team when they are up and when they are down. It makes us look ridiculous if we get down on our own team....give the coaching staff a chance!! We are VOLUNTEERS and we would not change our allegiance even when we are not winning because our blood runs ORANGE! Many fans wanted a change, so we have it so let's get behind it and SHUT UP unless you are yelling for the VOLS!!
 
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TennesseeT said:
I agree with most of the article by Travis. I don't think anybody with a set of eyes can form a legit argument for most of those points. Theres' no way they're worse than this year though.
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He makes 9 points total, but only 3 have legitimate arguments themselves. Points 2, 5, and 8b (though I would have used the fumbled snap as a better example).

Point 1 makes zero sense for 2 reasons, we are only 5 games into each person's regime and Chris Todd is not the same QB physically this year. Todd was injured and it was obvious everytime he floated a pass. If Todd played the same this year, the Auburn offense would not be nearly as explosive. This is not to discount the difference Malzahn has made, but Kiffin has also made just as big of a difference in Crompton, Malzahn just has more to work with.

3 is just wishful thinking that helps support his agenda...name one QB in the last 10 years that would be a second stringer in practice, but a first stringer in the game? I can somewhat agree with other positions, but not QB. If you can't beat out the starter in practice, then you won't be able to beat him out in the game. Any, game time performer advantage will be nullified by the limited progress made from practices.

Points 4 and 6 contradict each other! The defense was so tired, yet it is risking the entire game to go for it on 4th and 1 instead of another 3 and out?

Point 7 is purely opinion and speculation, and a poor job at that. Do we honestly think a Head Coach is going to purposefully throw a season to lure better recruits? If I was a "better" recruit, I would run far away from any coach who thinks the key to winning is losing. And when did having a sub .500 record ever help anyone in the recruiting process?

8a is just a fans point of view from the stands, if you break the play down, Moore was not wide open. Could a completion have been made? Yes, but the success rate verses the crossing pattern is substantially less.

I am not attacking your post...just proving that Travis is writing this from a fans perspective, not a true journalism perspective.
 
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