Even Tamika Catchings questions the coaching tonight

[bobkitten]

And if they were "Berthas" the complaint would be they aren't feminine enough. What was that some of you were saying about McCowan a couple of weeks ago?

LV stylin' was definitely not invented by this team. Anyone remember Bridget Gordon's jewelry? Ace Clement's perfectly applied make up? Ashley Robinson's eyelashes? (Beautiful girl, possibly the worst LV free throw shooter in history). Kellie Jolley could braid hair 1000 different ways.

We got a heap of real problems to be going all personal appearance on them. Personally I don't care if they wear prom dresses and shave their heads if they can concentrate for 40 consecutive minutes, hit a decent percentage of lay ups, and keep their body mostly between the offensive player and the basket.

I don't care, either, but what we see encapsulates a certain mind-set. You have hit close to the reason I have mentioned the fake eyelashes, etc. Do you remember when we had players who would DIVE after the ball-- even into the scorer's table? Who would go out and play so hard they would really sweat? Who occasionally would have to have medical attention for a cut? I do.

Contrast that with the young women who come down the court tucking stray hairs into their updo. Players who would no more stretch to get a loose ball than they would fly. Players who will step back and let someone else scrap for the ball. Players who seem to worry that their shorts are not rolled just right.

I think back to watching Kim Mulkey tear down the court, all 5'2" of her, French braid flying, like an avenging angel, leading her team (LA Tech) back before the women's NCAA. She took on everybody and was quite intimidating. I am sure you can name former TN players who show that same fierce dedication ( Holdsclaw, Catchings, Parker, Lawson...)Have you seen more than 2 players like that on our bench since Holly took over?

Are we recruiting real players? Young women who are willing to work to be VFL? Combine good coaching with players who want to and are willing to play ball!

I'm putting the soapbox away now.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I don't care, either, but what we see encapsulates a certain mind-set. You have hit close to the reason I have mentioned the fake eyelashes, etc. Do you remember when we had players who would DIVE after the ball-- even into the scorer's table? Who would go out and play so hard they would really sweat? Who occasionally would have to have medical attention for a cut? I do.

Contrast that with the young women who come down the court tucking stray hairs into their updo. Players who would no more stretch to get a loose ball than they would fly. Players who will step back and let someone else scrap for the ball. Players who seem to worry that their shorts are not rolled just right.

I think back to watching Kim Mulkey tear down the court, all 5'2" of her, French braid flying, like an avenging angel, leading her team (LA Tech) back before the women's NCAA. She took on everybody and was quite intimidating. I am sure you can name former TN players who show that same fierce dedication ( Holdsclaw, Catchings, Parker, Lawson...)Have you seen more than 2 players like that on our bench since Holly took over?

Are we recruiting real players? Young women who are willing to work to be VFL? Combine good coaching with players who want to and are willing to play ball!

I'm putting the soapbox away now.

The opposite of femininity is masculinity.

Yes Zay is concerned with her shorts, Rae with her hair, , , How dare them be feminine during games.
They should be wearing war paint!
Maybe they are,,,,I had several athletes play for me that were absolute stunners,,,and they were absolute warriors.

It ain't about the paint, it's about the artist

 

[bobkitten]

The opposite of femininity is masculinity.

Yes Zay is concerned with her shorts, Rae with her hair, , , How dare them be feminine during games.
They should be wearing war paint!
Maybe they are,,,,I had several athletes play for me that were absolute stunners,,,and they were absolute warriors.

It ain't about the paint, it's about the artist

Are you saying you can't be feminine and go to war? Play fiercely? Coach J, I am surprised at you! Are the former players I named "masculine??" Or were they women utterly focused, while on the court, with the game of basketball?

It ain't about the paint, or the artist, but the dedication to the craft.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Are you saying you can't be feminine and go to war? Play fiercely? Coach J, I am surprised at you! Are the former players I named "masculine??" Or were they women utterly focused, while on the court, with the game of basketball?

It ain't about the paint, or the artist, but the dedication to the craft.

No I'm saying some player-personalities, want to look good while they beat your butt.
Their makeup is their war-paint.

You know me better than that simply by my postings

 

[007Racer]

I remember when my daughter played for coach Summitt. They all had a mouth piece, but it didn't stop her from getting her nose broke. She put on a mask and didn't miss a game. I guess my question is, why does what they look like bother some of you? Yes, I think more tough love is needed! There's one young lady, who I think could be an all everything player, but she seems to go into a shell sometimes. That's when, if I was coaching , the tough love would kick in, by sitting her on the bench until she got the message! At the end of the year, if she chose to transfer, then so be it, the message would have been sent to the rest of the team!

 

[Coach Jumper]

I remember when my daughter played for coach Summitt. They all had a mouth piece, but it didn't stop her from getting her nose broke. She put on a mask and didn't miss a game. I guess my question is, why does what they look like bother some of you? Yes, I think more tough love is needed! There's one young lady, who I think could be an all everything player, but she seems to go into a shell sometimes. That's when, if I was coaching , the tough love would kick in, by sitting her on the bench until she got the message! At the end of the year, if she chose to transfer, then so be it, the message would have been sent to the rest of the team!

We had one last year too

Nared

 

[creekdipper]

I am sure you can name former TN players who show that same fierce dedication ( Holdsclaw, Catchings, Parker, Lawson...).

I certainly remember the video "A Cinderella Season" in which Kellie Jolly literally lived in the training room for 48 hours rehabbing an injury in order to play. Legendary stuff.

That sort of spirit epitomizes the motto: "I Will Give My All For Tennessee Today." That's the kind of toughness we need.

 

[007Racer]

I remember that year also. Kellie was determined to play and rehabbed all through the night, in order to lead the team. Championship caliber players will get to championship games, but they all need, no nonsense, championship caliber leaders!

 

[madtownvol]

I don't care, either, but what we see encapsulates a certain mind-set. You have hit close to the reason I have mentioned the fake eyelashes, etc. DoYOu you remember when we had players who would DIVE after the ball-- even into the scorer's table? Who would go out and play so hard they would really sweat? Who occasionally would have to have medical attention for a cut? I do.

Contrast that with the young women who come down the court tucking stray hairs into their updo. Players who would no more stretch to get a loose ball than they would fly. Players who will step back and let someone else scrap for the ball. Players who seem to worry that their shorts are not rolled just right.

I think back to watching Kim Mulkey tear down the court, all 5'2" of her, French braid flying, like an avenging angel, leading her team (LA Tech) back before the women's NCAA. She took on everybody and was quite intimidating. I am sure you can name former TN players who show that same fierce dedication ( Holdsclaw, Catchings, Parker, Lawson...)Have you seen more than 2 players like that on our bench since Holly took over?

Are we recruiting real players? Young women who are willing to work to be VFL? Combine good coaching with players who want to and are willing to play ball!

I'm putting the soapbox away now.

You are blaming the players for a bad system. All season long, they have been diving for loose balls and fighting. Some are leaders in this category - Cheridene and Jackson are the most consistent battlers but Zaay, Evina have their moments too. The gal with the most elaborate hair--Rae probably has the most fight in her; Collins will scrape like mad too. I concede that Davis could do more in this area (but note that she is not one with the shorts rolled up or long eyelashes etc.).

Unfortunately, there are just too many games where the players look like they really don;'t know what to do or lack confidence in what they are doing. Self-doubt and uncertainty can create hesitation and tentativeness when the pressure is on. That is the condition I see. Not players who are concerned about their runway strut but a team that lacks guidance and leadership.

 

[Rixxx]

Madtown, I think the players don't know what to do. A well coached team executes when the opponent is in man to man; executes when facing a zone, any zone; executes against a press; executes out of bounds plays; executes in the last minute of a tie game. You have probably read this but Geno coaches his team until they can't get it wrong.
When I played 50 years ago, our coach would call a play that was always (~98%) successful to get us out of our funk. One game he ran that play often until the other team figured out how to stop us.
During a game, I see little to no help from the TN coaches when their team gets like this. Yeah, you can say low BB IQ. I say from repetition in practice, the BB IQ naturally goes up. I just don't know if the staff coaches the details. If not, why not?

 

[tenecvol4]

Yes
The coach coaches during those precious moments

CORRECT CJ-- when Holly says THEY didn't play inspired or interested that is CW's job and time outs is one of those times to inspire and encourage-- ie the Summit stares and "talks" but Holly just isn't an inspirational type personality. Milk Toast
Its soooo past time for her to go -- I hope Phil steps up before we cant recruit the name any more and we have 7 on the roster and 500 butts in the seats

 

[vettefool]

It is more likely Catchings was speaking about the PLAYERS, and not the coach.

And Holly is certainly not alone in the blame for this terrible season.

No the moon was out of faze that caused our awful season. Never holly warlicks fault. Get out of here with that nonsense.

 

[glv98]

If the problem is the players overconcern with their hair and underconcern with diving over the scorers' table, isn't that a recruiting and team management issue? The LVs have been on a precipitous downhill slide for at least four seasons involving what, 40 or so players? All or mostly all divas who wouldn't risk chipping a nail for a loose ball? Who's recruiting them, deciding their playing time and managing the team culture? Anyone in charge in there?

 

[Amb3096]

Exactly. Getting kind of tired of people complaining about the women players who want to make sure they look nice for games. So what? This is not relegated to only the Lady Vols, nor is it relegated to this generation. If you've looked at decades of women's bball, you'll see plenty of examples of eyelashes, makeup, hairstyles, and oh goodness, rolled up shorts. I guess some think players play better if they come on the court looking like they just rolled out of bed! Their style has nothing to do with their play.

100% agree.

Anriel Howard looks like she takes hours to get her hair, makeup, and shorty shorts done before games, but no one will ever accuse her of not playing with a fully revved motor on every possession. Maci Morris is probably the most beautiful female basketball player I've ever seen, but is another one who is fighting hard every minute she's on the court.

Conversely, Rennia Davis looks like your average low-maintenance female athlete, but she's getting railed on for phoning it in for long stretches of games.

It's not the outfits, it's the attitude.

 

[djohnnyg]

This is ALL 100 % on Holly. Ladies are gonna miss shots...gonna turn the ball over etc etc...but Holly has literally destroyed the program. I guarantee she NEVER gets a high level coaching job again after she leaves. What does that tell you? She's not good enough to coach ANY other decent....legit program...but yet continues to "lead" one of the top 3 storied programs in all of women's basketball? I could see a mid major or badly fledgling program make the mistake of hiring her in hopes she could recruit and help get them out of the cellar though

 

[37620VOL]

did you say appreciate holly service.......service to what?????...destrying the lady vols basketball program????....Holly can not leave knoxville fast enough for me.......

You can appreciate her hard work and love of the program yet objectively conclude she isn't up to the task.

 

[BreatheUT]

We need a team of Bertha Butts.....Our girls are to concerned about their hair, and showing off their legs.....

Bertha's just get in there and play ball....

Holly should have been tougher on these girls.....And could someone wake up Davis, I believe she fell asleep in the locker room.

Like the Wells girl said, "if they're not going to guard me I'm going to shoot".....That's all coaching.....

What a mess.....I really wanted Holly to succeed, but enough already.

Yeah it kind of hilarious to see a couple of then which huge fake eyelashes during a basketball game. And others messing with their hair band after every possession. The type of players recruited have changed.

Your post is on the money.

 

[Twinsbornoncampus]

Seriously? One of the two most revered Lady Vols in the history of the program and you think she was calling out the players. I suppose it was also the players fault for only calling one timeout in the 3rd quarter when they were getting blown out by 17 points. Not to mention it must have been the players fault for Holly showing up at the presser with 3 timeouts still in her back pocket after getting their butts kicked by 17 points. In all fairness, it must be hard to tell the difference between what sitting on three timeouts feels like compared to what it must feel like with your head up her you know what. Give us all a break, please.

Holly was wishing they could get back in it and if they did she would have to have those time outs to advance the ball as the guards do not value the ball

 

[Twinsbornoncampus]

Exactly. Getting kind of tired of people complaining about the women players who want to make sure they look nice for games. So what? This is not relegated to only the Lady Vols, nor is it relegated to this generation. If you've looked at decades of women's bball, you'll see plenty of examples of eyelashes, makeup, hairstyles, and oh goodness, rolled up shorts. I guess some think players play better if they come on the court looking like they just rolled out of bed! Their style has nothing to do with their play.

Who really has a right to judge if a player wants to present themselves as they wish, they are not Property as some may think.

 

[Twinsbornoncampus]

I've long said almost everything wrong with the last few LV teams is mental. We should start a go fund me for a sports psychologist for them.

No Holly can't make their layups for them but she is responsible for the mental messup that causes them to constantly miss bunnies which we know they are physically fully capable of making.

Also, the mid range game is no longer lost. Jordan Bone found it.

And what could that be to cause a player to miss bunnies? Ans; there is a lack of heart and pride.

 

[glv98]

And what could that be to cause a player to miss bunnies? Ans; there is a lack of heart and pride.

Guess we'll agree to disagree. I just don't think it's a matter of character. If I thought they clanged bunnies off the bottom of the rim on national tv on purpose then I'd call it character.

Instead of lacking heart and pride, I think they lack poise and focus. As they've spiraled downward, the LVs have developed a terrible case of the yips, the here we go agains. They play ugly, scrambly, seldom have any rhythm, and tend to throw alot of frantic bricks. That's why they miss bunnies.

Too bad they have no one to help them fix that.

 

[Amb3096]

Guess we'll agree to disagree. I just don't think it's a matter of character. If I thought they clanged bunnies off the bottom of the rim on national tv on purpose then I'd call it character.

Instead of lacking heart and pride, I think they lack poise and focus. As they've spiraled downward, the LVs have developed a terrible case of the yips, the here we go agains. They play ugly, scrambly, seldom have any rhythm, and tend to throw alot of frantic bricks. That's why they miss bunnies.

Too bad they have no one to help them fix that.

They also reek of desperation for foul calls. It's not just them. Tyasha Harris from SC was suffering an acute care of this condition today as well. Then there's also the fact that their offense is designed around putbacks off layup attempts that clang off the bottom of the rim so there's that...

 

[Rushin Orange Collusion]

Time for a change we appreciate your service

And don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

 

[#1LVLS MAN 4 LIFE]

Like many of you here, I have been a Lady Vols fanatic before the first championship, and like all Lady Vols fans it hurts to see my beloved Lady Vols go through the current season of adversity. Moreover, I am a former high school wrestling coach, a sport where the development of mental toughness is a must in order to master and conquer the harshness of individual training, team practice, and winning at a championship level is a must. From what I have seen in games, this aspect of training, although a process, must be focused on with renewed concentration. The current situation is not a matter of how players look or any other type of personal imagery, but it is matter of expectation and demand. What the coaches and players demand of themselves and of each other, and does that expectation and demand live up to what is considered Tennessee Lady Vols Basketball. When a coach at any level says, "I will not coach effort", and I get it, you give athletes an out because those athletes will develop and play at the level of your tolerance as a coach. Effort can never be demanded when it's not coached. The Lady Vols must circle the wagons, and ask themselves what does it meant to be Lady Vol in 2019, what is our standard, and what is the responsibility that each player and coach is accountable for? The program must reset itself, as the challenges facing the Lady Vols program is anew, they must think and act anew for there to be a new result.

 

[Twinsbornoncampus]

Guess we'll agree to disagree. I just don't think it's a matter of character. If I thought they clanged bunnies off the bottom of the rim on national tv on purpose then I'd call it character.

Instead of lacking heart and pride, I think they lack poise and focus. As they've spiraled downward, the LVs have developed a terrible case of the yips, the here we go agains. They play ugly, scrambly, seldom have any rhythm, and tend to throw alot of frantic bricks. That's why they miss bunnies.

Too bad they have no one to help them fix that.

Well all I can say and I will leave it. If a layup was missed teammates looked at the offender not the coach.