Even More Obamacare Follies

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volinbham said:
What this study doesn't tell us is the extent to which those diagnosed are changing their lifestyles to mitigate the problems that follow.
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That wouldn't be easy to monitor. Should we assume this group would be much different that the diabetic population at large?
 
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Gramps said:
Thank WTOB.

Think LG would handle my case or would SDV be a better option ?
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Velo Vol said:
That wouldn't be easy to monitor. Should we assume this group would be much different that the diabetic population at large?
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My working hypothesis would be yes they are different. For any number of reasons they are at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum. In general, this group demonstrates lower levels of self sufficiency.

Research has found a negative relationship between patient socioeconomic status and adherence.

Diabetes prevention and maintenance is heavily diet and exercise related. Adherence is critical for a chronic disease such as this.

Overall, people having access to HC is a positive. I just think the ACA was a horrible way of achieving it and the notion that it will lower costs due to emphasis on prevention rather than treatment is a pipe dream.
 
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volinbham said:
My working hypothesis would be yes they are different. For any number of reasons they are at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum. In general, this group demonstrates lower levels of self sufficiency.

Research has found a negative relationship between patient socioeconomic status and adherence.

Diabetes prevention and maintenance is heavily diet and exercise related. Adherence is critical for a chronic disease such as this.
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So what you're saying is, that fatass with the 6 kids can't continue to buy cokes and M&M's with her SNAP card once she's been diagnosed?

good luck with that
 
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volinbham said:
I just think the ACA was a horrible way of achieving it and the notion that it will lower costs due to emphasis on prevention rather than treatment is a pipe dream.
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Even if the cost-saving case for preventative medicine is overstated, even if early detection may not save money at all, it's still a laudable objective.
 
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SEAN PARNELL: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral - Washington Times
According to the Manhattan Institute, premiums climbed by 41 percent on average from 2013 to 2014, and premiums are likely to rise sharply again after two insurance company bailout programs included in Obamacare expire in 2017.

The other sign health insurance markets are in the early stages of a death spiral is the age mix of those buying policies through Obamacare. Originally it was estimated that around 40 percent of enrollees had to be in the relatively healthy 18 to 34-year-old age segment, so their premiums could be used to pay for the health expenses of older, less-healthy enrollees. So far it appears only some 28 percent of enrollees are in that coveted age group, which also comprises around half of the uninsured.

All of this means insurers are getting a risk pool that is less healthy than expected, and more premium hikes are around the corner. While subsidies hide some from the full impact, others in the middle class will not be shielded.


Well NO SH/T!!!
 
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But at least we can keep our doctor, and we can keep our health plan if we choose to, and the cost of health coverage will reduce all across the land due to efficient administrative practices implemented by the federal government
 
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Carl Pickens said:
SEAN PARNELL: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral - Washington Times
According to the Manhattan Institute, premiums climbed by 41 percent on average from 2013 to 2014, and premiums are likely to rise sharply again after two insurance company bailout programs included in Obamacare expire in 2017.

The other sign health insurance markets are in the early stages of a death spiral is the age mix of those buying policies through Obamacare. Originally it was estimated that around 40 percent of enrollees had to be in the relatively healthy 18 to 34-year-old age segment, so their premiums could be used to pay for the health expenses of older, less-healthy enrollees. So far it appears only some 28 percent of enrollees are in that coveted age group, which also comprises around half of the uninsured.

All of this means insurers are getting a risk pool that is less healthy than expected, and more premium hikes are around the corner. While subsidies hide some from the full impact, others in the middle class will not be shielded.


Well NO SH/T!!!
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Libs don't understand diminishing return spirals. It doesn't feel right to them.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Even if the cost-saving case for preventative medicine is overstated, even if early detection may not save money at all, it's still a laudable objective.
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Name one progressive program that doesn't have a laudable objective. The problem with government programs isn't the intent, it's the execution. They either become bloated, corrupted, or inept.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Even if the cost-saving case for preventative medicine is overstated, even if early detection may not save money at all, it's still a laudable objective.
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As with most political debate in this country the issue is not the goal; it is the policy to achieve the goal. Too many people forget that and fall into the assignment of motives rather than debating policy.

ACA is a horrible way to achieve the goal (assuming the above was the goal).
 
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red butler said:
Name one progressive program that doesn't have a laudable objective. The problem with government programs isn't the intent, it's the execution. They either become bloated, corrupted, or inept.
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Within the political parameters of the health care system ($$ special interests), how else do you provide preventative care to the under-insured?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Within the political parameters of the health care system ($$ special interests), how else do you provide preventative care to the under-insured?
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It seems to me the wisest place to start would be with the Medicare and Medicaid programs.

Not a whimsical restructuring of the entire country's healthcare system.
 
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DC_Vol said:
It seems to me the wisest place to start would be with the Medicare and Medicaid programs.

Not a whimsical restructuring of the entire country's healthcare system.
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This.

Chip programs are a good example of Medicaid expansion for families (to provide coverage for the children) that increases eligibility and provides better than Medicaid insurance.

It would have been cheaper to expand Medicaid
 
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